Brazil dumps gun control homicides down 34% in 3 years.

[Jgault]

the only large media entity I’ve seen touch this in the US was the WSJ. Short version 3 years ago Brazil had draconian gun control, funny enough every policy the left here wants. Purchase age 25, license see 200 + per gun, unable to carry, enhanced mental screening. What did they get? The two most dangerous cities in the world and a murder rate 5 times higher than the US.

Three years ago they ditched all the policies for the most part. 34% reduction in homicides and a drop in almost every crime category.

Brazil just shows what common sense screams, criminals will get guns no matter what the law is, and criminals really don’t like dealing with armed law abiding citizens. When they instituted the changes our media was ablaze with claims it would be bloody chaos, since the opposite happens hardly a word has been written, I even saw one article claiming the crime drop on more youth cell phones so they now have something to do other than kill people evidently.

We know this but many of our fellow citizens don’t, gun control has nothing to do with making citizens safer from the criminals and crazies, but everything to do with making a corrupt government safer from it’s citizens. I can remember when Texas years ago was about to allow concealed carry, literally every news agency nightly stated it would be a bloodbath, after crime decreased they simply didn’t mention it again.

This entire debate is nothing but the mental conditioning of America, with the Covid lockdowns being beta testing. I really believe the government knows it’s power is just a paper tiger , it’s about time we realized it too.

 

[Eli17L]

Link to articles we can share?
Don't have time to research but will spread the word.

 

[vinniedelpino]

Link to articles we can share?
Don't have time to research but will spread the word.

Brazil Homicides/Gun Control

 

[The D]

Websites of the author of the wsj article. He’s been doing this type of work for years

Crime Prevention Research Center

Crime Prevention Research Center conducts research on laws regulating the ownership or use of guns, crime, and public safety.

crimeresearch.org

John R. Lott | Politics, Economics and Gun Rights Advocacy

John R. Lott Jr. is an American economist with an extensive background and history in politics, economics and gun rights advocacy. His academic and professional career is lengthy and diverse, having worked at and written for a variety of educational institutions and publications across America.

www.johnrlott.com

 

[Sean the Nailer]

How about an article that we can share that isn't behind a paywall?

 

[Eli17L]

How about an article that we can share that isn't behind a paywall?

In the Wall Street Journal: More Legal Guns Reduced Crime in Brazil

Dr. John Lott has a new piece in the Wall Street Journal that questions the apocalyptic predictions by Biden and others over guns after the US Supreme Court decision on New York’s concealed h…

crimeresearch.org

 

[theLBC]

i covered this a lot in the past.
like here, gangs in brazil are well armed.
when they made it hard to own guns legally, the gangs took control of entire neighborhoods of defenseless people.
this is what would happen here if they took guns from law abiding citizens.

 

[Jgault]

Link to articles we can share?
Don't have time to research but will spread the word.

https://society-mag.com/2022/06/26/more-legal-guns-reduced-crime-in-brazil/

The wsj article is subscribe to read but here is a minor media outlet article that goes over the same facts.

 

[Mr.BR]

Brasil's violent crime makes Chicago look like a walk in the park. No amount of gun control would change anything so best give folks right to defend themselves

 

[Wizard1183]

the only large media entity I’ve seen touch this in the US was the WSJ. Short version 3 years ago Brazil had draconian gun control, funny enough every policy the left here wants. Purchase age 25, license see 200 + per gun, unable to carry, enhanced mental screening. What did they get? The two most dangerous cities in the world and a murder rate 5 times higher than the US.

Three years ago they ditched all the policies for the most part. 34% reduction in homicides and a drop in almost every crime category.

Brazil just shows what common sense screams, criminals will get guns no matter what the law is, and criminals really don’t like dealing with armed law abiding citizens. When they instituted the changes our media was ablaze with claims it would be bloody chaos, since the opposite happens hardly a word has been written, I even saw one article claiming the crime drop on more youth cell phones so they now have something to do other than kill people evidently.

We know this but many of our fellow citizens don’t, gun control has nothing to do with making citizens safer from the criminals and crazies, but everything to do with making a corrupt government safer from it’s citizens. I can remember when Texas years ago was about to allow concealed carry, literally every news agency nightly stated it would be a bloodbath, after crime decreased they simply didn’t mention it again.

This entire debate is nothing but the mental conditioning of America, with the Covid lockdowns being beta testing. I really believe the government knows it’s power is just a paper tiger , it’s about time we realized it too.

This nation is so divided with thoughts of racism, woke, LGBTQABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ppl its physically impossible for people to do anything but accept the fate of socialism. Its coming. They WILL basically strip the 2A to almost nothing. England cant have guns,, China cant have guns. Soon American wont have guns. Canada is fighting a semi-auto bill right now. Take away yhe guns? The governemnt OWNS you. Impossible to fight a government without guns

 

[Skeptic1]

We know this but many of our fellow citizens don’t, gun control has nothing to do with making citizens safer from the criminals and crazies, but everything to do with making a corrupt government safer from it’s citizens.

Everyone knows this. It has never been a secret. Those that act like they think gun control will make people safer are lying and they are the enemy...... with a not hidden agenda. They take us for fools when we let them erode our freedom.

 

[Jgault]

Everyone knows this. It has never been a secret. Those that act like they think gun control will make people safer are lying and they are the enemy...... with a not hidden agenda. They take us for fools when we let them erode our freedom.

I disagree they don’t take us as fools, the government is absolutely terrified of the 2A community. They know 30% of the population are fools, who will gladly give up every freedom they have and serve as useful idiots to liberals in exchange for Netflix, internet, and pizza delivery. You want to see government paranoia? Just move out to the middle of nowhere and tell them to pound sand and leave you alone. They spent a year and God knows how much money to entrap Randy Weaver into selling a sawed off shotgun then killed his family. The simple truth is we are the last line of defense before they converting the country to cloned China, and they are well aware we will not go quietly into that good night.

 

[Wizard1183]

I disagree they don’t take us as fools, the government is absolutely terrified of the 2A community. They know 30% of the population are fools, who will gladly give up every freedom they have and serve as useful idiots to liberals in exchange for Netflix, internet, and pizza delivery. You want to see government paranoia? Just move out to the middle of nowhere and tell them to pound sand and leave you alone. They spent a year and God knows how much money to entrap Randy Weaver into selling a sawed off shotgun then killed his family. The simple truth is we are the last line of defense before they converting the country to cloned China, and they are well aware we will not go quietly into that good night.

You actually think we stand a chance? You have military brainwashed into allowing their own to kill their families. Police to allow their own or others to kill their families ( Uvalde, Tx incident police “stop” but not really a police officer after his wife is on the class and says I’m shot. He got paid boat loads not to go in there cause anyone with half brain and compassion? Would’ve killed the rest of the police force and gone in to save their wife) the corruption runs too thick. The entire 2A ppl would need to rush Washington and burn the city to the ground. Force them beneath Denver and revolutionize the country. Guess what? It’ll never happen. While they are afraid? They’re going to strip your 2A rights to the point you can’t do shit. You and I can talk about this til we’re blue in the face. Our children will obey the government

 

[theLBC]

forgive me for the vice stories...i was watching this back then...

Despite Firearm Restrictions, Gun Violence Kills Five People Every Hour in Brazil

Brazil's national mortality rate of 21.9 gun-related fatalities per 100,000 inhabitants is the second highest ever recorded by the annual Map of Violence report.

www.vice.com

of course they were wrong

Brazil's drug gangs are prepared to go to war with Bolsonaro

“He’s going to take the world into an urban war.”

www.vice.com

But his plan to give "guns to good people," is likely to backfire. Gang members responsible for some of the worst violence in Brazil’s major cities told VICE News that the president's new policy of fighting crime by putting more guns on the streets will only lead to more bloodshed.

Brazilians Are Buying Guns in Record Numbers With Barely Any Oversight

President Bolsonaro is encouraging weapons imports and shooting clubs, but discouraging the tracking of firearms in what observers say could be stoking violent crime.

www.vice.com

 

[Jgault]

You actually think we stand a chance? You have military brainwashed into allowing their own to kill their families. Police to allow their own or others to kill their families ( Uvalde, Tx incident police “stop” but not really a police officer after his wife is on the class and says I’m shot. He got paid boat loads not to go in there cause anyone with half brain and compassion? Would’ve killed the rest of the police force and gone in to save their wife) the corruption runs too thick. The entire 2A ppl would need to rush Washington and burn the city to the ground. Force them beneath Denver and revolutionize the country. Guess what? It’ll never happen. While they are afraid? They’re going to strip your 2A rights to the point you can’t do shit. You and I can talk about this til we’re blue in the face. Our children will obey the government

You are speaking about two different things, having a chance now vs indoctrination which is the real threat you mentioned . Right now? The 2a community would be the largest army ever assembled if it came to it, why do you think they are hell bent on disarming the country? Socialist always play the long game, which is why they started indoctrination 60 years ago, I have to admit it was brilliantly executed. We won’t fall while the old guard is here, and probably not in my lifetime, our kids however I fear are more than willing to trade their freedoms, just like faith healers or self help gurus socialism feeds on the ignorant and weak willed, and unfortunately that’s what we’ve allowed our school systems to create everyday. All I can do is fight while I’m here, if the world wants to march into slavery after I’m gone I’ll be dead and my problems over.

 

[NoDopes]

The SC just had a massive pro 2A ruling.
Americans are buying guns in record numbers. Gun rights aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

Gun Sales in the U.S. 2023 | SafeHome.org

Approximately 17.4 million guns were sold in 2022, and 1.4 million guns have been sold monthly in 2023. By: SafeHome.org Research Published: June 27, 2023 In the U.S., many dynamic factors influence gun-purchasing decisions: economic conditions, media influences, legislative and leadership...

www.safehome.org

 

[Wizard1183]

You are speaking about two different things, having a chance now vs indoctrination which is the real threat you mentioned . Right now? The 2a community would be the largest army ever assembled if it came to it, why do you think they are hell bent on disarming the country? Socialist always play the long game, which is why they started indoctrination 60 years ago, I have to admit it was brilliantly executed. We won’t fall while the old guard is here, and probably not in my lifetime, our kids however I fear are more than willing to trade their freedoms, just like faith healers or self help gurus socialism feeds on the ignorant and weak willed, and unfortunately that’s what we’ve allowed our school systems to create everyday. All I can do is fight while I’m here, if the world wants to march into slavery after I’m gone I’ll be dead and my problems over.

I agree. However we didn’t allow our schools to fail. Our government did by defunding schools. Remember that?

 

[Wizard1183]

The SC just had a massive pro 2A ruling.
Americans are buying guns in record numbers. Gun rights aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

Gun Sales in the U.S. 2023 | SafeHome.org

Approximately 17.4 million guns were sold in 2022, and 1.4 million guns have been sold monthly in 2023. By: SafeHome.org Research Published: June 27, 2023 In the U.S., many dynamic factors influence gun-purchasing decisions: economic conditions, media influences, legislative and leadership...

www.safehome.org

What good is a gun without ammunition? You think the ammunition will come in bulk to the public soon? It’ll come back but many won’t be able to afford a ton of ammunition. Most are already $1 a bullet for junk. They can’t regulate guns. They most certainly can regulate ammunition.

 

[NoDopes]

They can’t regulate guns. They most certainly can regulate ammunition.

I don't think so.

 

[Jgault]

I agree. However we didn’t allow our schools to fail. Our government did by defunding schools. Remember that?

Yes it’s part of the plan. It’s funny if you ask someone to remember a great military battle fought for socialism, they can’t because to my knowledge there has never been one. Their playbook hasn’t changed for a century, why should they change it works. Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, Cambodia all socialist revolutions follow the same map.

Destabilize from within over decades with propaganda, take over the schools and colleges, take over media outlets, recruit and mobilize the poor, promote class warfare, limit or eliminate civilian firearms, and destroy religion, sound familiar? By the time the socialist march in to take over they have already won, there isn’t a history of battles because hardly a shot is fired.

Yes we failed miserably in protecting our schools and local elections, we were up against a insidious enemy who took decades, inching the line forward, and every time we pushed back we never returned the line to where it had been. The laws and current proposals aren’t really aimed at us, they are aimed at our kids.

Banning kids from gun ranges? It’s only purpose is to make sure the next generation has no interest in firearms, as a safety issue my kid has a higher chance of being injured or killed playing high school sports. Gun bans? If you notice just about every proposal has a grandfather clause, a few don’t but they will fail, their purpose is to disarm our kids before they ever arm themselves. All of the corona mandates? We wouldn’t stand for it after the initial panic, but it was a trial run for our kids. The pronoun and trans nonsense? It’s aimed at our kids much more than us. They fight using propaganda and government regulations, and they don’t mind waiting decades for results, and when the needle is far enough over that’s when the masks come off and they crawl out from their rocks to cheering converted crowds.

 

[Wizard1183]

Yes it’s part of the plan. It’s funny if you ask someone to remember a great military battle fought for socialism, they can’t because to my knowledge there has never been one. Their playbook hasn’t changed for a century, why should they change it works. Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, Thailand all socialist revolutions follow the same map.

Destabilize from within over decades with propaganda, take over the schools and colleges, take over media outlets, recruit and mobilize the poor, promote class warfare, limit or eliminate civilian firearms, and destroy religion, sound familiar? By the time the socialist march in to take over they have already won, there isn’t a history of battles because hardly a shot is fired.

Yes we failed miserably in protecting our schools and local elections, we were up against a insidious enemy who took decades, inching the line forward, and every time we pushed back we never returned the line to where it had been. The laws and current proposals aren’t really aimed at us, they are aimed at our kids.

Banning kids from gun ranges? It’s only purpose is to make sure the next generation has no interest in firearms, as a safety issue my kid has a higher chance of being injured or killed playing high school sports. Gun bans? If you notice just about every proposal has a grandfather clause, a few don’t but they will fail, their purpose is to disarm our kids before they ever arm themselves. All of the corona mandates? We wouldn’t stand for it after the initial panic, but it was a trial run for our kids. The pronoun and trans nonsense? It’s aimed at our kids much more than us. They fight using propaganda and government regulations, and they don’t mind waiting decades for results, and when the needle is far enough over that’s when the masks come off and they crawl out from their rocks to cheering converted crowds.

Perfectly stated

 

[Wizard1183]

I don't think so.

You don’t think? So ummmm you can buy all the primers you want? Powder you want? Bullets you want?

 

[NoDopes]

You don’t think? So ummmm you can buy all the primers you want? Powder you want? Bullets you want?

Actually, yes, for now. And, I wouldn't call that regulating. I was talking about SC and laws, you are talking about competition.

 

[Skeptic1]

I disagree they don’t take us as fools, the government is absolutely terrified of the 2A community. They know 30% of the population are fools, who will gladly give up every freedom they have and serve as useful idiots to liberals in exchange for Netflix, internet, and pizza delivery. You want to see government paranoia? Just move out to the middle of nowhere and tell them to pound sand and leave you alone. They spent a year and God knows how much money to entrap Randy Weaver into selling a sawed off shotgun then killed his family. The simple truth is we are the last line of defense before they converting the country to cloned China, and they are well aware we will not go quietly into that good night.

It isn't that I completely disagree with you.
I actually hope you're right.
We've let it go on so long I don't think that the gun grabbers believe we will ever take a stand and say no more. The "silent majority", if you will, will never unite to the required level that it will take to turn things around and take our freedom back.

The republic is gone, all is lost, prepare to defend yourself.

I pray that I am wrong, Jg