BREAKING: FDA emergency authorization of hydroxychloroquine for IMMEDIATE use in fighting COVID-19.

[Xshot]

Not true. We dont hate the gov't. We hate the entrenched unconstitutional bureaucracy, unelected bureaucrats, federal employees that act with impunity.

Another good American and Patriot that gets it! I would only add that our government is far too large and routinely violates our Constitution. Moreover, they are not being held fully accountable to the law and prosecuted when judged guilty.

 

[Xshot]

So everyone here hates the government, and thinks it should be abolished, and now I'm being told that an FDA action is by definition a good idea? Even though all the press coverage explicitly says there's no data supporting it?

I simply used the context of your multiple posts to totally destroy your laborious and fallacious arguments. The all powerful FDA realized their mistaken ideology and approved the drugs. Your rebuttal "Even though all the press coverage explicitly says there's no data supporting it?"

FWIW - I have zero tolerance for willfully ignorant people or fools.

 

[phlegethon]

I simply used the context of your multiple posts to totally destroy your laborious and fallacious arguments. The all powerful FDA realized their mistaken ideology and approved the drugs. Your rebuttal "Even though all the press coverage explicitly says there's no data supporting it?"

FWIW - I have zero tolerance for willfully ignorant people or fools.

The bottom line is that there is no data supporting its use at this point. That is very clear. You are correct, I can only speculate about why the FDA made their pronouncement.

 

[Zeroit]

And at least three Democratic governors have tried to pass statutes specifically RESTRICTING them from being used to save the lives of COVID-19 patients... When this storm has passed, the culprits should be arrested and charged with capital crimes.

Not sure it was only the Democrats? I had heard but not been able to verify in my state.
Not sure they have to pass a statute to accomplish that.

 

[Centuriator]

there is no data supporting its use at this point.

None at all?

 

[phlegethon]

None at all?

I think you quoted him instead of me. There is no credible data. The totality of the data, which includes what we know about hydroxychloroquine and what we knew before about all other antivirals, suggests it is unlikely to be effective. It is good that trials are underway but it shouldn’t be given outside of them.

edit: it’s not just me saying this, here is a very good editorial from JAMA making a similar argument. I know, people will now say they’ve been paid off by the Freemasons or the Trilateral Commission to suppress the glorious truth about HCQ ?

Treating COVID-19—Off-Label and Compassionate Use and Clinical Trials During Pandemics

This Viewpoint uses the absence of known effective treatment for Ebola virus disease to emphasize the costs of off-label and compassionate drug use during an infectious disease outbreak and the importance of establishing the efficacy and safety of promising drug leads in randomized trials to...

jamanetwork.com

 

[Centuriator]

I thought I was reading some positive news of the use of this medicine with Z-packs.

 

[phlegethon]

I thought I was reading some positive news of the use of this medicine with Z-packs.

There are positive anecdotes but we have been misled by anecdotes countless times before.

 

[Centuriator]

 

[Sieg]

Aggressive testing, contact tracing and isolation of positives, social distancing, wearing masks in public...the usual things that work. Note they used a ton of HCQ and other antivirals in Italy and Spain, didn't seem to do much for their mortality.

Ah, things that would be far too much of an inconvenience for the modern day entitled American.

 

[Maggot]

What training do you have in medicine, or evaluating the effects of drugs? If you do not have such knowledge, why do you think it wouldn't be necessary?

In case anyone reasonable is reading this, please know that it's not easy to know if a medical therapy works. You cannot just give it to a bunch of patients and say to yourself "oh, they all did fine." That's how you get bloodletting. You need a control group so that you can compare how patents did without the drug, because usually the differences aren't huge. You need the groups to be randomized, because if you give your drug to a bunch of patients who are not as sick, they will do better anyway and then it will look like the drug worked when it didn't. And you need the groups to be randomized because otherwise the placebo effect can throw off your analysis.

There are countless examples of people treating patients with drugs or other therapies, convincing themselves that they worked, and then finding they had no effect or were harmful when properly tested in a trial. It's not a matter of "letting people die.' At the moment, all the information we have shows that it is more likely we will harm patients than help them by giving them hydroxychloroquine.

If you don't follow all of that, please also remember that hydroxychloroquine along with many other medications have been used already, in Wuhan, in Lombardy, in Spain, and we are still seeing high mortality. Clearly they are not any kind of miracle cure.

You, like another who posed on this a while back, are full of shit with too much education which leads to ego problems if it isnt according to your opinion.

Either it works, or it doesnt. Ive read firsthand reports from those at deaths door who received it and recovered rapidly. Period. Stop your blathering.

 

[phlegethon]

Either it works, or it doesnt.

Wrong. Drugs have a spectrum of activity. They can be a little poisonous, they can be very poisonous, they can have anywhere from zero antiviral activity to a little to a lot. They can make a viral infection worse. So no, it’s not that simple.

Ive read firsthand reports from those at deaths door who received it and recovered rapidly.

And because you don’t know what you don’t know, you think those reports mean something. How many critically ill patients have you seen? Sometimes they suddenly get better with no intervention. The course of COVID fluctuates widely, one minute you look great and the next you are trying to die. And then a few hours later you look great again.

Anyway, if all you believe in are anecdotes, why are so many dying despite getting this “miracle cure?” Did you know that it’s being widely used in the US, as it was in Wuhan and Italy, and people are still getting worse?

 

[Charger442]

There are positive anecdotes but we have been misled by anecdotes countless times before.

do you have any evidence the FDA "caved" on this drug recommendation because Trump told them to? Your saying a bunch of doctors and healthcare professionals were swayed by someone outside of the medical community to start recommending a drug that they know doesnt work?

Wouldnt that be violating their Hippocratic oaths?

 

[phlegethon]

do you have any evidence the FDA "caved" on this drug recommendation because Trump told them to? Your saying a bunch of doctors and healthcare professionals were swayed by someone outside of the medical community to start recommending a drug that they know doesnt work?

Wouldnt that be violating their Hippocratic oaths?

Asked and answered.

edit: I have never said we "know it doesn't work." I've said the exact opposite. We do not know if it helps, harms, or does nothing at all. Since we don't know, we have to guess, and we can predict that it's less likely to help than to do nothing or harm. That is why it should only be given in the setting of a trial. And those are underway.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Again, there is a doctor in New York that has used the combo to successfully treat HUNDREDS of patients, most have breathing mostly restored within jus hours of administering the drugs.... But yeah, "there's absolutely no indication it works"...

Fuck off with that retardation.

 

[BoilerUP]

Cure is a 100% clickbait word, and the sample is still small...but an initial 36-patient cohort and a second 80-patient cohort seem to confirm efficacy.

Coronavirus cure: French researchers completed new additional study on 80 patients, results show a combination of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin to be effective in treating COVID-19 - TechStartups

On March 19, we published a story about a trial study conducted by French researchers which showed a combination of Hydroxychloroquine (brand name Plaquenil) and Azithromycin to be effective in the treatment of COVID-19 patients. The study, which was led by renowned Didier Raoult M.D/Ph.D in...

techstartups.com

The large trial underway in NYC will tell the tale.

Not a medical professional, just a dumbass pilot hoping SOMETHING off-the-shelf can be used to shorten illness and improve patient outcomes.

 

[Centuriator]

Let's hope and pray therapeutic medications and treatments are identified and identified quickly. If they help people fight off the virus...fantastic. I agree the word "cure" is probably too strong a word...but even if they support a person's own system fighting the viral infection, sure would be great.

The fact that they are proceeding with large-scale production and distribution and testing is encouraging.

Ora et labora!!

Pray and work!

 

[phlegethon]

Again, there is a doctor in New York that has used the combo to successfully treat HUNDREDS of patients, most have breathing mostly restored within jus hours of administering the drugs....

He is a very questionable individual who is treating outpatients that haven't been tested. Many of them likely aren't even infected. Most people infected are going to get better with or without treatment.

Kiryas Joel leaders urge doctor to stop making videos about KJ virus cases

Village leaders and community groups issued a joint statement on Tuesday rebuking a local doctor’s predictions about the spread...

www.recordonline.com

 

[redneckbmxer24]

He is a very questionable individual who is treating outpatients that haven't been tested. Many of them likely aren't even infected. Most people infected are going to get better with or without treatment.

Kiryas Joel leaders urge doctor to stop making videos about KJ virus cases

Village leaders and community groups issued a joint statement on Tuesday rebuking a local doctor’s predictions about the spread...

www.recordonline.com

You’re pulling shit out of your ass. The dude said in one of the articles that 200 some had been tested at that time and 65% were positive for covid. How is he a questionable individual? His reviews and such everywhere are positive and I couldn’t find a single negative article written about the guy.

You probably think the media screaming about this shit not even want to be tried because they want trump to fail are honest though...

Is it the answer to every case? Probably not, but then again neither is any medicine for every individual. Some don’t respond to certain medications. There’s enough use with this combo between South Korea and here the suggest that it’s at least effective in most cases. Is it a vaccine or 100% cure? No. Will it help more people survive until they can come up with a vaccine? It sure as hell looks like it and if I was in the hospital for this shit it’s the first thing I’d be asking for.

 

[FjallJager]

Does anyone know if the Quinine Chinin Root that is sold in natural health stores, and the Quinine that is in Tonic water is similar and what the conversion is. I ordered 3 cases of tonic, and I had 180 pills of 500mg Quinine ordered as soon as the Singapore talked about their success with it.