Build more cities in the desert, they said. It will be alright they said.

[Maggot]

Great Salt Lake is set to DISAPPEAR within five years due to ...​

https://www.dailymail.co.uk › news › article-11608601


17 hours ago — Dozens of scientists warned in a new report that Utah's Great Salt Lake will disappear in five years as water levels have dropped by 73 ...

 

[W54/XM-388]

Folks are freaking out because they don't understand the planet isn't at all concerned with what the humans crawling around on it that think they are so important do.

Nobody wants to read history or study it properly or scientifically research it openly because it would contradict what the governments, paid science and mega religions want people to think. If people actually studied the past openly they wouldn't be so easy to fool and control.

If you spread out the history of the last 10,000 years which is essentially half of the great cycle of the Earth's axis rotation, drastic changes in local climates are the norm rather than the exception. California was once a dry desert, had a green spell now is going back to desert. The Sahara was once a tropical oasis and filled with giant lakes and lush vegitation. Egypt used to be a much lusher greener land than it is now. Texas used to be half underwater then later a pretty arid desert. There's farms burried under the ice in greenland that were growing wheat and crops some 1000 years ago. A couple hundred years ago the Thames river in London would freeze over in winter and you could have festivals on the ice.

There is a reason for much of history, humanity was very nomadic and people don't understand much of the wars and invasions and such were climate and resource driven.

What people know of America today is a tiny slice of less than 500 years and already that's been subject to slow change.

A lot of the big water and valley and river features people think of as having been always here were actually the result of huge crazy natural "disasters" many thousands of years ago.

 

[canezach]

And this is exactly why we electric vehicles and democrats controlling things!!! Once the grown ups are in charge, surely everything will be better!

 

[Maggot]

Folks are freaking out because they don't understand the planet isn't at all concerned with what the humans crawling around on it that think they are so important do.

Nobody wants to read history or study it properly or scientifically research it openly because it would contradict what the governments, paid science and mega religions want people to think. If people actually studied the past openly they wouldn't be so easy to fool and control.

If you spread out the history of the last 10,000 years which is essentially half of the great cycle of the Earth's axis rotation, drastic changes in local climates are the norm rather than the exception. California was once a dry desert, had a green spell now is going back to desert. The Sahara was once a tropical oasis and filled with giant lakes and lush vegitation. Egypt used to be a much lusher greener land than it is now. Texas used to be half underwater then later a pretty arid desert. There's farms burried under the ice in greenland that were growing wheat and crops some 1000 years ago. A couple hundred years ago the Thames river in London would freeze over in winter and you could have festivals on the ice.

There is a reason for much of history, humanity was very nomadic and people don't understand much of the wars and invasions and such were climate and resource driven.

What people know of America today is a tiny slice of less than 500 years and already that's been subject to slow change.

A lot of the big water and valley and river features people think of as having been always here were actually the result of huge crazy natural "disasters" many thousands of years ago.

Its called precession and the time for a complete cycle is about 26000 years. Interesting read here.

astro.wsu.edu › worthey › astroAstronomy: precession of earth - Washington State University​

The inclination of Earth's orbit varies with respect to the solar system's invariant plane with a period of roughly 71000 years. Apsidal (Earth's orbit's major axis) precession P = 112,000 yr, combines

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One of those water events happened up near Montana when a huge lake cut loose and formed the Columbia River...

kidadl.com › facts › columbia-river-facts-how-it-wasColumbia River Facts: How It Was Formed, How It Benefits Us ...​

• Ecology and Environment
• Physiography and Hydrology
• Plant and Animal Life
• Threats and Opportunities
• Columbia River History Project

With 265,000 cubic ft (7,504 cubic m). per second as the average flow at the river's mouth, the Columbia river basin also maintains its natural and cultural resources. The USGS Western Fisheries Research Center has dealt with the data management procedures, thus being a major part of the Columbia basin project.

 

[cas6969]

The humor of it hit me one day while I was hunting.
Sitting on a stone fence, in the middle of a forest, at the top of a mountain.

There's a stone fence in the middle of a forest, because close to 300 years ago people cleared the land for farming. The farms are long gone, the forest has returned, but their field stone fences remain.

Those field stones are full of brachiopods, fossilized sea shells. Because at one time that mountain top was at the bottom of the ocean. And yet, somehow, I'm to blame for things changing?

 

[Rthur]

BTW, cores for this graph were pulled from the Greenland ice that they used to start this cluster.


R

 

[atomic41]

Folks are freaking out because they don't understand the planet isn't at all concerned with what the humans crawling around on it that think they are so important do.

Nobody wants to read history or study it properly or scientifically research it openly because it would contradict what the governments, paid science and mega religions want people to think. If people actually studied the past openly they wouldn't be so easy to fool and control.

If you spread out the history of the last 10,000 years which is essentially half of the great cycle of the Earth's axis rotation, drastic changes in local climates are the norm rather than the exception. California was once a dry desert, had a green spell now is going back to desert. The Sahara was once a tropical oasis and filled with giant lakes and lush vegitation. Egypt used to be a much lusher greener land than it is now. Texas used to be half underwater then later a pretty arid desert. There's farms burried under the ice in greenland that were growing wheat and crops some 1000 years ago. A couple hundred years ago the Thames river in London would freeze over in winter and you could have festivals on the ice.

There is a reason for much of history, humanity was very nomadic and people don't understand much of the wars and invasions and such were climate and resource driven.

What people know of America today is a tiny slice of less than 500 years and already that's been subject to slow change.

A lot of the big water and valley and river features people think of as having been always here were actually the result of huge crazy natural "disasters" many thousands of years ago.

This is so spot on and some of your examples are the same ones that I've used to calm people down that buy into the AGW hypothesis (climate death cult) and panic. We are here simply because the planet allows us to be. The conditions are just right for us to exist and can change at any time, we have no control of those conditions. We are just a blink of an eye in time, this rock was here millions of years before us and will be millions of years after we are gone. I always tell people that if you want to understand "climate science", study geology.

In the show 1883, one of the characters does commentary. In one of the early episodes, she talks about trying to survive in the harsh environment of the American west and has an awakening. She suddenly realized that, "this world is not made for us" which ended her entitled thinking that things should be better suited for us to live.

 

[Maggot]

The humor of it hit me one day while I was hunting.
Sitting on a stone fence, in the middle of a forest, at the top of a mountain.

There's a stone fence in the middle of a forest, because close to 300 years ago people cleared the land for farming. The farms are long gone, the forest has returned, but their field stone fences remain.

Those field stones are full of brachiopods, fossilized sea shells. Because at one time that mountain top was at the bottom of the ocean. And yet, somehow, I'm to blame for things changing?

Ive pondered the same question.

As a stone mason from the Virginia Blue Ridge Mountains, I've seen and disassembled many of those stone walls, one I remember was 7 feet tall and eight feet or so at the bottom, and ran for a mile or so. Full of huge copperheads, one well over 5' long, which is huge for a copperhead.

A prime example is the Grand Canyon, the rock at the bottom took a billion years to uncover. I left most of my food and clothes at the bottom and humped out a backpack of rocks...damn I hope a park ranger doesnt see that, but it was over 50 years ago.

 

[TXAZ]

A prime example is the Grand Canyon, the rock at the bottom took a billion years to uncover. I left most of my food and clothes at the bottom and humped out a backpack of rocks...damn I hope a park ranger doesnt see that, but it was over 50 years ago.

You’re good Maggot. It was all legal then. I remember being able to drive way out to the edge of the canyon and park/ camp. Tough shit if you slid over the edge. Some did.

Still have 8mm movies of (legally) flying into the canyon below the buttes.
No mas.

(and a lot of people dumped weight as you did at Phantom Ranch to make it out)

 

[Maggot]

You’re good Maggot. It was all legal then. I remember being able to drive way out to the edge of the canyon and park/ camp. Tough shit if you slid over the edge. Some did.

Still have 8mm movies of (legally) flying into the canyon below the buttes.
No mas.

(and a lot of people dumped weight as you did at Phantom Ranch to make it out)

I tripled my carry weight but it was a once in a lifetime hike. And I was only about 21. I'd do it again but have trouble planning 4 months out for a permit and I hear its actually pretty crowded. Like the lines going up Everest.

 

[TXAZ]

I tripled my carry weight but it was a once in a lifetime hike. And I was only about 21. I'd do it again but have trouble planning 4 months out for a permit and I hear its actually pretty crowded. Like the lines going up Everest.

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Except about 1 out of 10 that try to summit Everest are left dead on the trail.
Less than 1 / 100K die in the Canyon.

 

[n2ishun]

While they say the lake will go dry in 5 years.....
The storms over the course of the next 2 weeks will probably fix it right up.

Or....
Has no one noticed California news over the last couple of days ?

Utah is where the storms will slow down while they get the required energy to go over the rockies.
Yea, they'll get a metric shit ton of rain/snow.

 

[Maggot]

While they say the lake will go dry in 5 years.....
The storms over the course of the next 2 weeks will probably fix it right up.

Or....
Has no one noticed California news over the last couple of days ?

Utah is where the storms will slow down while they get the required energy to go over the rockies.
Yea, they'll get a metric shit ton of rain/snow.

Ive seen those reports. Unfortunately for California its coming so fast most will run off and not soak in. The snowpack at higher elevations will help.

 

[MarshallDodge]

While they say the lake will go dry in 5 years.....
The storms over the course of the next 2 weeks will probably fix it right up.

Or....
Has no one noticed California news over the last couple of days ?

Utah is where the storms will slow down while they get the required energy to go over the rockies.
Yea, they'll get a metric shit ton of rain/snow.

Exactly. The mountains above my house are at 170% snowpack right now, and more is on the way. The media is going to be in a frenzy this spring talking about all the flooding.

 

[PolarisBreach]

The Adam and Eve Story (starts on pg 8 of the PDF). I have a hard time believing that humans (as we know them, anyway) were nomadic for over 200,000 years, and then 10,000 years ago decided to settle down and create civilization. It doesn't make sense. What does make sense - and what's backed up by tons of physical evidence - is that the Earth regularly undergoes "cataclysms" that cull the population and radically transform the face of the planet, and that 10,000 years ago was the last such event. As it stands, the climate is more stable now than at any point in the last 10,000 years; there's not a damn thing humans can do it significantly influence it either way unless we start detonating nuclear warheads on a large scale.

 

[Maggot]

The Adam and Eve Story (starts on pg 8 of the PDF). I have a hard time believing that humans (as we know them, anyway) were nomadic for over 200,000 years, and then 10,000 years ago decided to settle down and create civilization. It doesn't make sense. What does make sense - and what's backed up by tons of physical evidence - is that the Earth regularly undergoes "cataclysms" that cull the population and radically transform the face of the planet, and that 10,000 years ago was the last such event. As it stands, the climate is more stable now than at any point in the last 10,000 years; there's not a damn thing humans can do it significantly influence it either way unless we start detonating nuclear warheads on a large scale.

Reconsider that. A thousand years ago the world pop was maybe 1 billion. No problem.

Perhaps not at current population. 8 billion?

Now triple that and all it takes to support them.

Double that.

Yet imagine the outcry if the government started forced birth control.

People like to fuck.


Jean Paul Sartre No Exit

 

[GreenGO Juan]

2024 Giant Meteor.

 

[supercorndogs]

Ive seen those reports. Unfortunately for California its coming so fast most will run off and not soak in. The snowpack at higher elevations will help.

ITs not supposed to have to soak in, you're supposed to be smart enough to store it.

 

[supercorndogs]

Exactly. The mountains above my house are at 170% snowpack right now, and more is on the way. The media is going to be in a frenzy this spring talking about all the flooding.

"170% of normal" for the dry season. We still have spring and winter to go. That 170% doesn't mean total for the year. It means total for this time of year.

Hopefully those storms don't drop everything as they go over the mountains in Cali, but hey might. Big storms in California are far from a sure thing to get rain in the desert.

 

[NoDopes]

A gushing Colorado may help our border problem for a bit.

 

[pmclaine]

You realize you wrote this at the same time California is crying about record flooding añd blaming climate change.

Mana from heaven that they refuse to capture and store because truth is they want people to die.

Are you the Glowie?

You post these threads designed to cause bullshit and watch the responses.

Last week you did the same with commotio codis and nuked it because it wasn't going as a Glowie would hope.

 

[EddieNFL]

They'll be okay as soon as the polar ice caps melt.

 

[MK20]

I spent time in a VERY remote part of the Sudan, but it was closer to the Sahara. It was at one time a great inland sea with islands scattered throughout. It also had (and has) great mineral wealth. I remember looking at the gravel we had there and it was mostly coral with interspersed geodes and rocks with tiny bits of gold in them.

I wish I could have seen that inland sea when it was in its full glory. It must have been the equivalent of a thousand square miles of a south pacific lagoon.

Even viewing its bones is awe inspiring.

The view at 20,000 ft. As you fly along you can see meteor impact craters, and what obviously were at one time islands.

Those small bluffs you see are actually what were at one time coral reefs and a shore as far as I can tell.

And you can see the view as it usually is when unmagnified.

 

[pmclaine]

I spent time in a VERY remote part of the Sudan, but it was closer to the Sahara. It was at one time a great inland sea with islands scattered throughout. It also had (and has) great mineral wealth. I remember looking at the gravel we had there and it was mostly coral with interspersed geodes and rocks with tiny bits of gold in them.

I wish I could have seen that inland sea when it was in its full glory. It must have been the equivalent of a thousand square miles of a south pacific lagoon.

Even viewing its bones is awe inspiring.
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The view at 20,000 ft. As you fly along you can see meteor impact craters, and what obviously were at one time islands.

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Those small bluffs you see are actually what were at one time coral reefs and a shore as far as I can tell.

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And you can see the view as it usually is when unmagnified.

Google search the YouTube movie "Sea of Sand" about the British Long Range Dessert Patrol in WWII.

Some great film of old Dodge trucks sporting celestial compasses and having to use sextantes to navigate.

Today with functioning GPS a mere drive to the corner but back than venturing into the Sahara was no endeavor to be taken lightly.

We will be fucked when the first act of war is to take out the technology that in basically 25 years we have become so dependent on.....abandoning centuries of acquired skills.

 

[MK20]

Yeah, that whole area is so mineral dense I wouldn't trust a compass. The sun is the way to go there.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

The sun rises on one side sets on the other.

The stars and planets, especially in a dark desert are easy to see.


If you cant figure out basic cardinal directions... you are retarded.

 

[MK20]

The sun rises on one side sets on the other.

The stars and planets, especially in a dark desert are easy to see.


If you cant figure out basic cardinal directions... you are retarded.

Thank you.

Good to know I'm not retarded, lol.

 

[TXAZ]

The sun rises on one side sets on the other.

The stars and planets, especially in a dark desert are easy to see.


If you cant figure out basic cardinal directions... you are retarded.

Similar to Saudi desert: Stars at night were magnificently clear. At sunrise and sunset the quartz in the sand (only due East and due West) sparkled.

 

[Maggot]

The Adam and Eve Story (starts on pg 8 of the PDF). I have a hard time believing that humans (as we know them, anyway) were nomadic for over 200,000 years, and then 10,000 years ago decided to settle down and create civilization. It doesn't make sense. What does make sense - and what's backed up by tons of physical evidence - is that the Earth regularly undergoes "cataclysms" that cull the population and radically transform the face of the planet, and that 10,000 years ago was the last such event. As it stands, the climate is more stable now than at any point in the last 10,000 years; there's not a damn thing humans can do it significantly influence it either way unless we start detonating nuclear warheads on a large scale.

You realize you wrote this at the same time California is crying about record flooding añd blaming climate change.

Mana from heaven that they refuse to capture and store because truth is they want people to die.

Are you the Glowie?

You post these threads designed to cause bullshit and watch the responses.

Last week you did the same with commotio codis and nuked it because it wasn't going as a Glowie would hope.

Quit

 

[Maggot]

Quit

Im not sure if you psot is to me or Polaris.

If its me, youre being an ass. I post things I find of interest, for discussion.

And yes, I deleted the other thread because it had stopped being discussion and turned into stupid banter. I had another member ask me about it in PM and he said he had done the same and agreed sometims its good to do that. If you dont like what I post then put me on ignore and you'll not have to deal with it at all. Or if it really gets your panties knotted, complain to Frank.

 

[Maggot]

ITs not supposed to have to soak in, you're supposed to be smart enough to store it.

Well, if it soaks in it replenishes and gets STORED in the aquafers doesnt it.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Im sooo done listening to so called experts.

 

[BurtG]

Now triple that and all it takes to support them.

Lol there’s plenty of food available if that’s what you’re getting at

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

If people only knew how much food is thrown away because of the way it looks.

Lol there’s plenty of food available if that’s what you’re getting at

 

[W54/XM-388]

Honest scientific estimates come out somewhere that if humans were intelligent and had decent government and didn't spend all their energy and wealth and talent trying to kill each other or make a small handful of evil folks insanely rich, the planet could easily support around 12 to 15 billion people with current technology applied correctly.

 

[pmclaine]

The sun rises on one side sets on the other.

The stars and planets, especially in a dark desert are easy to see.


If you cant figure out basic cardinal directions... you are retarded.

Sounds like a man ready to be lost in the dessert……

 

[pmclaine]

Im not sure if you psot is to me or Polaris.

If its me, youre being an ass. I post things I find of interest, for discussion.

And yes, I deleted the other thread because it had stopped being discussion and turned into stupid banter. I had another member ask me about it in PM and he said he had done the same and agreed sometims its good to do that. If you dont like what I post then put me on ignore and you'll not have to deal with it at all. Or if it really gets your panties knotted, complain to Frank.

Won’t do either will excercise my right of free speech and opinion.

Your choice to ignore or go to Frank.

Better yet prove me wrong.

 

[pmclaine]

Well, if it soaks in it replenishes and gets STORED in the aquafers doesnt it.

Except in areas we have covered with non permeable materials and it becomes runoff to the ocean.

Which is why it should be channeled to be runoff to the storage cistern.

Rome knew how to do it.

 

[Maggot]

Won’t do either will excercise my right of free speech and opinion.

Your choice to ignore or go to Frank.

Better yet prove me wrong.

I dont need to prove you anything youre being idiotic and stirring shit. And yes that's your right.

 

[Maggot]

Except in areas we have covered with non permeable materials and it becomes runoff to the ocean.

Which is why it should be channeled to be runoff to the storage cistern.

Rome knew how to do it.

Exactly, but only a small portion is really covered, so if it comes in a reasonable time, not all at once, it should soak in. What doesnt can be saved by other means.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

The Seven Deadly Sins/ human nature don't mix with well with equality.

Honest scientific estimates come out somewhere that if humans were intelligent and had decent government and didn't spend all their energy and wealth and talent trying to kill each other or make a small handful of evil folks insanely rich, the planet could easily support around 12 to 15 billion people with current technology applied correctly.

 

[BurtG]

If people only knew how much food is thrown away because of the way it looks.

Or how much land worldwide lays idle or it’s yield is a small percentage of what’s possible

Due to government

 

[Fig]

 

[Dead Eye Dick]

Folks all you have to do is buy an electric car, turn off the air conditioner, go on a veggie diet, fly a rainbow flag in front of your house and put on a dress, and the climate will turn right around and be cool in the summer, warm in the winter and the tooth fairy will visit you every night. (Probably because your teeth are falling out because your veggie diet does not contain enough calcium.)

Yes, I beleive the earth is getting warmer. Yes, I think if we grew more trees, it might help, (and give me more places to hunt) No, I don’t think wearing a dress and driving an electric car is going to change the cycle of a planet that has seen multiple changes over the past 5 billion or so years.

Its like living in Louisiana. In Louisiana, particularly around Caney Creek Lake, far too many people raise hell everytime the lake rises 2 feet, their homes or ultra-expensive boat docks flood and get damaged. Instead, they should have done their homework and built higher. In Louisiana its not “IF” it might flood; its if it “MIGHT NOT” flood.

On planet Earth, its not “IF” the climate might change; its if the climate “MIGHT NOT” change. Cause its gonna change. (And there’s very little, if any, you or I or anyone can do anything about it.)

 

[BurtG]

only a small portion is really covered

Add in all that most grass aim developments might as well be called impermeable due to the construction people driving on and working the dirt while wet. Which forms concrete like hardpans

 

[BurtG]

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[Maggot]

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Add in all that most grass aim developments might as well be called impermeable due to the construction people driving on and working the dirt while wet. Which forms concrete like hardpans

Thats true in places, but if the rians come in moderate doses it will softer the land and make it absorptive.

 

[BurtG]

Thats true in places, but if the rians come in moderate doses it will softer the land and make it absorptive.

You don’t know what you don’t know

 

[Maggot]

You don’t know what you don’t know

I know you're a jerk.

 

[PolarisBreach]

Reconsider that. A thousand years ago the world pop was maybe 1 billion. No problem.

Perhaps not at current population. 8 billion?

Now triple that and all it takes to support them.

Double that.

Yet imagine the outcry if the government started forced birth control.

People like to fuck.


Jean Paul Sartre No Exit

I'm not following. The world's population has more than doubled in the last 50 years. More than quadrupled in the last 100. No measurable impact on the Earth's climate at scale. Fact of the matter is that every recent "extreme" weather event that they try to attribute to human impact turns out to be not so notable if you go even a few hundred years back.

Sooner or later there's going to be another global flood, supervolcano eruption, celestial impact, gamma ray burst, or some other event that's going to cull the population again. Between that and simple human nature, I don't think we'll ever see any large-scale climate effects from humans. Anyone trying to tell you that driving a truck and eating a steak is putting the Earth at risk has a not-so-well-hidden agenda.