built to order enfield in europe

[vtb]

hello sh.

i want to built 'modern' enfield
1. able to live with .308win hot loads
2. fed from ar-10 mags
3. picatinny rail on reciever
4. free float barrel
5. light carbon stock

basically i need ipsc manual action open class rifle with fastest action possible.

i'm in russia, but can import from uk or europe.
can you direct me towards armorer which will take such order?

thank you in advance.

 

[BasraBoy]

Re: built to order enfield in europe

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vtb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hello sh.

i want to built 'modern' enfield
1. able to live with .308win hot loads
2. fed from ar-10 mags
3. picatinny rail on reciever
4. free float barrel
5. light carbon stock

basically i need ipsc manual action open class rifle with fastest action possible.

i'm in russia, but can import from uk or europe.
can you direct me towards armorer which will take such order?

thank you in advance. </div></div>


Sounds like you don't need anything other than an Enfield action (and that only for the speed?) as the rest of the rifle will be junked?

1. - What do you mean by "hot"? Anything more than 19tons psi and your going to be pushing the limit of the Enfield action.
2. Why AR10 mags - why not an original 7.62mm Enfield 10 round mag or an AI mag...or is this just for greater capacity
3. Do you really want to be drilling the receiver if you are going to be pushing the limit of the pressure tolerance?

I'd have thought a custom 7.62 rifle on a great action would serve the purpose?

 

[vtb]

Re: built to order enfield in europe

i need .308 bolt rifle for IPSC manual action open class.
1. with fast action
2. capable to be fed from double-column magazine (AR for higher capacity)
3. 400 yards 1MOA capable with commercial ammo.

yes - if enfield will be taken as a donor then rest of the gun will be salvaged.
but the idea was not to take enfield and rebuild it (because action metal is a lottery from what i read) but to take blueprints and make enfield reciever not from the junk steel.

The second answer is also "yes" - .308 rifle on a fast action would serve the purpose.

Now i'm using Rem700 based rifle- it has it's drawbacks
1. bolt "locks" at the rear position if you're not careful
2. single-stack magazine only
3. cock-on opening with p.1 makes it not so fast as i want it to be.

So i'm trying to build more suitable rifle for my purpose.
Tried Enfield (.308 conversion) and action is good. But for legislation reason it's easier to build-to-spec rifle in Europe and import it than convert rifle in country.

 

[dbateman]

Re: built to order enfield in europe

Ok I can see what you're saying


Have you had a look at the AIA rifles?

 

[saddler]

Re: built to order enfield in europe

Armalon of London convert Rem 700's in .308 to accept M14 magazines

 

[9H_Cracka]

Re: built to order enfield in europe

700 takes single stack mags only and locks to the rear? Both points news to me.

Modifying an Enfield action to take full power loads? If I had your money I'd burn mine.

 

[vtb]

Re: built to order enfield in europe

guys.
1. i looked into aia enfields. but seems their australian site is down
2. i know about armalon and was in contact with them. all they propose is to send them the rifle to rebuild.
3. in. 308 rem700 teeth of the bolt is not deep enough to surely pick up the cartridge from double stack magazine.

about money... rem700 sps costs $1300 here, rem 700 xcr - $3000...SMLE i was trying (in. 308) was offered for $5000....
so basically for me either to buy rem700 or to have a sex with imort custom of the custom rifle is a question of just 25% difference over the rem700.

so again - is there some kind of armorer which can build enfield action based custom rifle from scratch?

 

[BasraBoy]

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SMLE for $5,000? In 7.62?

What was it? An L42 or something?

You'd be mad to buy one of those and cut them up, they're worth up to twice that to collectors!

Equally you'd be mad to buy a MKIII or No4 for that money - they're both available in the UK for under £400 for complete rifles.

You've asked the question again....but you haven't given any info on how hot the loads you plan to run will be.

I think you need to work that out before you can get an answer on is there anyone who can or would do it.

The Enfield action is very quick (it is one of my personal favourites) BUT...it is not the strongest.

The British Army used to reproof all rifles converted from .303 to 7.62 from 16 tons psi to 19 tons psi....or, in the case of the Indian built rifles, I believe they built new actions.

I don't know any UK smiths who would undertake a project that was borderline on safety....they stand to get into a world of hurt if they build/sell unsafe firearms.

FWIW if I was you, I'd draw up some specs/data and get in touch with Fultons at Bisley and ask their advice. Their prices (if they can do it) will be absurd but at least you might get some alternative feedback on whether your project will fly......

Or why not just go out and track down an L39 and get it scoped? Or a Parker Hale T4?

Do a search on guntrader.co.uk, there's a couple available there right now.

You'll get double stack, 10 round mags and a 7.62/.308 capable/proofed action on these...and good accuracy.

 

[Emouse]

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This is an easy one,...AIA make a superb modern Enfield. It comes with a decent barrel and uses M14 mags. Its stronger than the original Enfield and utilises all the lessons learnt from the 4T/L42/L39. It isn't reliant on stocking up for accuracy and has a locking ring to hold the barrel in place. Easily capable of sub MOA with good ammo.

Best of all they are CHEAP!

 

[mjh30]

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Not sure if AIA is still in business anymore, anyways we couldn't get their rifles here because of where they were made.

 

[dbateman]

Re: built to order enfield in europe

Have a read of this thread. I think it will answer your question about AIA site being down.

 

[BasraBoy]

Re: built to order enfield in europe

Great link dbateman - thanks for sharing.

The M10B2 looks like it'd do the job! Tempting....

The L42 replica.......want one!

I always thought AIA were long out of business.

Not sure how an Aussie manufacturer fits into vtb's UK/Europe scenario though?

 

[TorF]

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Get a Tikka T3 and put AICS bottom metal on it.

Fastest bolt gun on the planet is, as unlikely it seem, Sauer 80/Colt Sauer/Carl Gustaf 3000.

Basra: If you go to the Running Deer range at Bisley and look at the framed results from the 1992 Nordics one of the top shooters is a Swede called Johnson. In training for that champ. he put 5 times 5(X) in one run ( 4.6seconds) with a CG3000 Sporter in 6.5x55. He did it on a regular basis.. No other manual rifle except a pump action or a perhaps a CG1900 Sporter in 222rem can do that.

 

[mjh30]

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dbateman thanks for that read, Basraboy did you see Armalons AL42 in 223, I dont know what to say about that beauty.

 

[BasraBoy]

Re: built to order enfield in europe

TorF...I hear what you are saying...but having been brought up on Enfields I guess I'm sentimental!

mjh - the Armalon looks good too. Shame a genuine L42 with all the CES is likely going to set you back more than an S&B scoped AX!

 

[Emouse]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">TorF...I hear what you are saying...but having been brought up on Enfields I guess I'm sentimental!

mjh - the Armalon looks good too. Shame a genuine L42 with all the CES is likely going to set you back more than an S&B scoped AX! </div></div>

The Armalon will cost way more than the AIA. We built a 6.5 grendel using SABRE defence MAGS on the AIA action,...to say it shoots well is a total understatement!

If they do become available again soon then a .260 rem conversion is definiteley going to happen.

 

[vtb]

Re: built to order enfield in europe

to all: thank you for your answers

2 BasraBoy:
i want to use any commercially available .308 ammo without thinking action can explode. Because when i travel to competitions i buy ammo at place and re-zero rifle cause it's pain in the a.. to fly with ammo (separate package, +50 euro for transfering this package by aircompany etc.)
I will check guntrader.co.uk - thank you.
2 TorF
Tikka T3 is not fast and i was thinking about sauer 202. But they both have single stack magazines.

.308 AIA would answer my issue but there are none of them whithin reach in Europe.

 

[BasraBoy]

Re: built to order enfield in europe

vtb - hope it works out for you.

To be honest, I just don't see a lot of custom builds on Enfield actions here in the UK (I don't know if emouse,saddler or any of the other SH Brits do?). It would be interesting to see what Fultons say.

The AIA does look like a good fit for what you want though.....

 

[TorF]

Re: built to order enfield in europe

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vtb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

2 TorF
Tikka T3 is not fast and i was thinking about sauer 202. But they both have single stack magazines.

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With AICS bottom metal you get 10 shot mag capasity on the T3. Then you reduce bolt throw to a minimum by customizing the bolt stop or put an adjustable bolt buffer on the cheek rest. A tuned T3 is not the fastest racing horse but it is a very fast pig.

A Steyr SSG69 P2 is also very fast if you can get the very rare 10 shot magazines to work.

 

[vtb]

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10 rounds is low.. i now machining XS-25 .308 drum to fit into AICS... but it's the extreme way (pricey and with unsure result)

I just want to use .308 PMAG - it's light and cheap.
and... the enfield action is really got me...

 

[MJ1]

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It is not impossible to find what you need to build a .308/7.62X51 but takes a lot of looking.

I found a barreled receiver that had 80mm cut off the barrel.

Good luck.

..MJ..

 

[Win70chris]

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I want this. I just pulled the barrel from one of my No4's and was looking to make a L39/42 clone. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MJ1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> It is not impossible to find what you need to build a .308/7.62X51 but takes a lot of looking.

I found a barrels receiver the had 80mm cut off the barrel.

Good luck.

..MJ..

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