Rifle Scopes Burris XTR 3 vs Bushy XRS 2

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SAR421 said:
I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on the XTR3 3-18 vs Mark 5HD 3.6-18. Most discussions focus on their larger magnification models. What’s the optical performance difference in the lower magnification ones? Which has better low light performance?
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XTR 3 is going to have the edge in optical performance over the Mark 5, Leupold has excellent low light performance for a 44mm objective but the XTR III has the 50mm objective for slightly better exit pupil. XTR III has better FOV by far. Burris had some early QC issues they've seemed to have resolved.

Here's a couple reviews I did on both scopes:


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Rifle Scopes - Burris XTR III 3.3-18x50 mini review and comparison to Nightforce NX8 2.5-20x50

Backstory The Burris XTR II has been the top of the line offering from the Greeley, CO sport optics company for many years now. Initial manufacture of these scopes had some issues optically, but Burris was able to rectify those over time and the latest XTR II is a pretty well refined scope for...
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The Bushnell ET LRHSi with G2Hi reticle is really what you're looking for, I have this scope on my SPR and even though it is 4.5-18, doesn't have enormous FOV and is a longer scope, I still love it for this application especially when paired with an RDS

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#52
SAR421 said:
Specific use is on an AR10 for both hog hunting at night and target shooting (have access to a 1500y range and interested in getting into PRS). My wishlist of requirements (realize I’m unlikely to get all of them) is around 13” max length, sub 30oz weight, 4x or less low end, 15x minimum high end, wide FOV, illuminated, and a light tree/holdover reticle.

Ideally a reticle with a fast illuminated aiming point that’s both usable on low power for point shooting moving targets at as close as 30 yards and useable for holdovers at the top half of magnification.

Are there other optics close to this category to consider? Sorry for writing a book! Thanks.
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I don't know what your budget is, but March has the 3-24x52 that weighs 24.5oz, if they get a better reticle this scope will become my go to DMR/SPR style scope as it's shorter and lighter than the LRHS/LRTS series with greater magnification range.

A new FFP that is much lighter is rumored to be coming soon, could shake things up especially for those of us looking for lightweight FFP scopes with decent glass.
 
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I think people need to get a look through these XTRIII scopes before they decide the reticle is too thin. I was quite surprised looking through my 3.3-18 on 3.3. ITs not hard to find the reticle at all, at least with the SCR. My 5.5-30 is also the SCR. I think the 3.3-18 is a very good comparison with the MK% 3.6-18. The burris weighs a little more, better FOV, bigger overall, the MK5 is a nice little package, with good glass and some nice feature. ITs zero mark for its windage knob is in a weird place, and didn't like that. The push lock turret was pretty sweet, but I don't know why they did 10.5 mils per rev instead of 10. I thought I would like the way the turrets on the Burris are marked, but I don't really. I prefer the traditional marking with the .5 mil mark standing taller than the others.
 
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#54
Glassaholic said:
XTR 3 is going to have the edge in optical performance over the Mark 5, Leupold has excellent low light performance for a 44mm objective but the XTR III has the 50mm objective for slightly better exit pupil. XTR III has better FOV by far. Burris had some early QC issues they've seemed to have resolved.

Here's a couple reviews I did on both scopes:


www.snipershide.com

Rifle Scopes - Burris XTR III 3.3-18x50 mini review and comparison to Nightforce NX8 2.5-20x50

Backstory The Burris XTR II has been the top of the line offering from the Greeley, CO sport optics company for many years now. Initial manufacture of these scopes had some issues optically, but Burris was able to rectify those over time and the latest XTR II is a pretty well refined scope for...
www.snipershide.com www.snipershide.com

The Bushnell ET LRHSi with G2Hi reticle is really what you're looking for, I have this scope on my SPR and even though it is 4.5-18, doesn't have enormous FOV and is a longer scope, I still love it for this application especially when paired with an RDS

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Thanks for that information. Yes that reticle seems pretty close to what I’m looking for. I’d really think with the popularity of AR15/AR10 DMR/SPR’s that there would be more crossover type reticles and compact scopes.

It appears that model is discontinued although I saw something about a Gen2 coming maybe with improved glass?

I will add after spending a long weekend down at the ranch shooting some hogs it occurred to me that minimum magnification isn’t really what matters (I’m usually on 4-6x on my current LPVO), what really matters is FOV on lowest magnification and FOV on about 10x. This occurred to me while looking through 10x binoculars with about a 30 foot FOV and realizing how much more usable that was than the 6x and 20ft FOV on my optic. It seems to me at least a 30ft FOV low end is ideal, and 25ft is acceptable.
 
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Glassaholic said:
I don't know what your budget is, but March has the 3-24x52 that weighs 24.5oz, if they get a better reticle this scope will become my go to DMR/SPR style scope as it's shorter and lighter than the LRHS/LRTS series with greater magnification range.

A new FFP that is much lighter is rumored to be coming soon, could shake things up especially for those of us looking for lightweight FFP scopes with decent glass.
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My budget is ideally around $2k +\- $500, this seems to be the sweet spot for mid-power optics. For my use and skill set I don’t need the absolute best thing in existence but I don’t mind paying to get into decent quality. If the ideal optic existed I could probably push into $3k if it really met my needs that much better than any other options.

Oh new mystery optic! Any additional information on the rumors for this? Even just which manufacture it is.

I saw that March, definitely an intriguing option, the FML-T1 reticle looks like it could be nice. Also just saw there’s a new March 4.5-28x, with wide FOV. Definitely more expensive than I was thinking but also very interesting to consider. Is that the new mystery optic you were referring to or is the rumor something else?

All said I’m holding off for a little bit at least, I don’t have the rifle it’s going on yet. It’s still a few months out for it to arrive so I have some time.
 
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SAR421 said:
My budget is ideally around $2k +\- $500, this seems to be the sweet spot for mid-power optics. For my use and skill set I don’t need the absolute best thing in existence but I don’t mind paying to get into decent quality. If the ideal optic existed I could probably push into $3k if it really met my needs that much better than any other options.

Oh new mystery optic! Any additional information on the rumors for this? Even just which manufacture it is.

I saw that March, definitely an intriguing option, the FML-T1 reticle looks like it could be nice. Also just saw there’s a new March 4.5-28x, with wide FOV. Definitely more expensive than I was thinking but also very interesting to consider. Is that the new mystery optic you were referring to or is the rumor something else?

All said I’m holding off for a little bit at least, I don’t have the rifle it’s going on yet. It’s still a few months out for it to arrive so I have some time.
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Which manufacturer? If I told you I'd have to ........ well you get the point :p No, the March is not the rumored optic. I just posted my review of the March 4.5-28.
 
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Glassaholic said:
Which manufacturer? If I told you I'd have to ........ well you get the point :p No, the March is not the rumored optic. I just posted my review of the March 4.5-28.
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Ha! Yeah I can understand that, I worked in the firearm industry as an engineer (although not optics) and had to keep that kind of non-public information to myself with companies we were affiliated with. Especially pre Shot Show.

I just read the review, excellent evaluation. I’m very impressed that it did so well in other categories given the small size, magnification range, and wide FOV. Frankly the only reason you didn’t immediately talk me out of $3k is your mention of the “game changing” optic review coming up next, which sounds like maybe another ultra short. And as nice as the March is it’s probably overkill for what I really need, although it does seem like a 1 optic solution to a precision AR, hunting rifle, precision bolt gun, or precision .22lr. Not many optics can fit so many roles. Guess I’m waiting for that review to make a decision! Luckily my rifle isn’t here yet, otherwise it would be much harder to wait!

Also sorry for hijacking the XTR3 vs XRS2 thread!
 
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Glassaholic said:
Which manufacturer? If I told you I'd have to ........ well you get the point :p No, the March is not the rumored optic. I just posted my review of the March 4.5-28.
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Oh come on Glassaholic, I'm still looking for that perfect SPR scope, was just about to decide on waiting for the Burris xtrIII illuminated then you hint about a scope that sounds perfect for my needs! :'( haha
 
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^^^ The XTR III 3.3-18 has amazing FOV which still gives it an edge over every other scope in its class except the NF NX8 2.5-20 but the XTR III tromps the NX8 in edge to edge clarity, DOF and parallax. I do not see that changing in the near future.
 
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Glassaholic said:
^^^ The XTR III 3.3-18 has amazing FOV which still gives it an edge over every other scope in its class except the NF NX8 2.5-20 but the XTR III tromps the NX8 in edge to edge clarity, DOF and parallax. I do not see that changing in the near future.
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What are your personal thoughts of this on a 20" Match barrel, SPR 5.56 gas gun, running a 45 offset, emphasis on precision? I know it's near 30 ounces and a 50mm objective, however it being 13 inches is a perk in that it's fairly compact. Would I be crazy to buy this for that, though I know I wouldn't use it to it's full potential ballistically?
 
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JDB55 said:
What are your personal thoughts of this on a 20" Match barrel, SPR 5.56 gas gun, running a 45 offset, emphasis on precision? I know it's near 30 ounces and a 50mm objective, however it being 13 inches is a perk in that it's fairly compact. Would I be crazy to buy this for that, though I know I wouldn't use it to it's full potential ballistically?
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It’s actually lighter than an ATACR 4-16x42 which is considered by many to be an ideal SPR /DMR scope. My only complaint is no illumination which I prefer for my scopes (even though it’s rarely used) so if you don’t mind the non-illumination you’d be hard pressed to find anything better, in fact, IMO I don’t think there is anything better at the price, that is within this magnification range
 
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Glassaholic said:
It’s actually lighter than an ATACR 4-16x42 which is considered by many to be an ideal SPR /DMR scope. My only complaint is no illumination which I prefer for my scopes (even though it’s rarely used) so if you don’t mind the non-illumination you’d be hard pressed to find anything better, in fact, IMO I don’t think there is anything better at the price, that is within this magnification range
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Thank you for your response, I think I'm going to wait for the illumination, hopefully by end of year. Excited to get my hands on this scope :)
 
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JDB55 said:
Oh come on Glassaholic, I'm still looking for that perfect SPR scope, was just about to decide on waiting for the Burris xtrIII illuminated then you hint about a scope that sounds perfect for my needs! :'( haha
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Well Vortex announced their Razor LHT 4.5-22x…. Is that the rumored FFP optic? Or are we still guessing. Lol
 
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