Burris XTR Pro 🇺🇸

I had a Bushnell (inexpensive version) and a Leupold MK8 CQBSS that had debris on the inside that got on the lens. I ignored it on the Busnell, Leupy took care of it on the MK8.

They all go to great lengths with full clean room assembly on optics, but I think it occasionally happens to everyone.

Even Schmidt went through a period of having internal grease spattering on their glass.

I've heard of another time or two that the throw lever has been unthreaded. Those come from a second party provider. At the rate they grab them and stuff them in a box, they probably don't look at them very close.


I know, shit happens. Burris Customer Service seems to be top notch so far. We'll see how long it takes to get them back, I was quoted 4 weeks.
 
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I believe those are .06mil and same for the LTRSi. Perfect for a 3-18. I sold a Steiner T6X 3-18x56 with the msr2 reticle without mounting it on a rifle. Way too thin for a 3-18. Seems these high power FFP scopes are killing the smaller mag range scopes as well. Manufacturers are foolishly putting these thin reticles in their low power scopes now.

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That .06 mil reticle covers just 2 1/8” at 1000 yards on any magnification power and is easier for the eye to pick up at any power. Unless a man is shooting grid paper in fclass, I don’t see how that is covering too much of the target. Others disagree.
I really like the March .075 center dot - I haven't encountered the "it covers too much target issue." I am decidedly NOT in the smaller/finer is better crowd. I also have yet to encounter a use for 10 mrad of wind holds, probably because I don't shoot in hurricanes or tornados. That's about as useful as 15+ mrad of elevation holds... ;-)
 
I had a Bushnell (inexpensive version) and a Leupold MK8 CQBSS that had debris on the inside that got on the lens. I ignored it on the Busnell, Leupy took care of it on the MK8.

They all go to great lengths with full clean room assembly on optics, but I think it occasionally happens to everyone.

Even Schmidt went through a period of having internal grease spattering on their glass.

I've heard of another time or two that the throw lever has been unthreaded. Those come from a second party provider. At the rate they grab them and stuff them in a box, they probably don't look at them very close.
One of my upper level stats professors worked a stint with Harley Davidson back in the day, and they did an analysis on production by day of the week. One of the results was that items manufactured on a Monday were somewhere between 100-150% higher risk of having defects than on other days. Another Stats professor loved to start each class with anecdotes about customers to his firm asking to help them achieve 100% quality in every bottle of milk produced, and he told them he'd have to take every bottle they produced apart and ruin it in order to achieve that.

Acceptable error based on sample size is a thing, or nothing would make it to consumers' hands. QC is generally carried out by humans. Humans have Mondays. We should all learn to move on.
 
Does anyone know what the original non-illum SCR reticle thickness is? It appears thicker, I'm considering the US made scope with an SCR reticle for a hunting rig over a SCR2 illum model. A Pro model may go onto my precision rifle build.
 
Does anyone know what the original non-illum SCR reticle thickness is? It appears thicker, I'm considering the US made scope with an SCR reticle for a hunting rig over a SCR2 illum model. A Pro model may go onto my precision rifle build.
I’ve had both, the 🇺🇸 version and the illuminated version. I sold the 🇺🇸 version in favor of illumination so I could use it for PRS and hunting. I don’t think the 🇺🇸 version reticle was any thicker than the illuminated version.
 
I’ve had both, the 🇺🇸 version and the illuminated version. I sold the 🇺🇸 version in favor of illumination so I could use it for PRS and hunting. I don’t think the 🇺🇸 version reticle was any thicker than the illuminated version.
That lines up with their spec sheet, it looks like the US SCR reticle is .04mil, the illum SCR2 is .035, so pretty close. I'm trying to find some way to put one to use. They're so dang affordable right now and US made.
 
Has anyone seen any blems available lately? I got a great deal on an XTR Pro blem from Midway, looking to buy another and hoping to get the same price. Love this scope! I would just get the XTR iii but I'd really like to have the same reticle (1/4mil).
 
Has anyone seen any blems available lately? I got a great deal on an XTR Pro blem from Midway, looking to buy another and hoping to get the same price. Love this scope! I would just get the XTR iii but I'd really like to have the same reticle (1/4mil).
What was the blem price?
 
Or maybe the turrets just fucking suck like the ones did on the XTR III I bought a couple of months ago.. Mushy as fuck... Now the Pro may be different.
 
I dont know I had a run in with stiener blems a few years back. Bought a m7xi in brown. For like 1800. Thought it was a good buy. Still the worse optical sample I’ve seen in a m7xi. So bad I have to return it and they replaced it after a lot of hassle. Worse off cs rep ran my serial number and it already had a rma history on it. I think they call them “blems” but really they are just defective units they don’t wanna fix…I like Steiner and Burris but sometimes they get some iffy employees in there that don’t care.
 
No dust, but i haven't looked for it. The scope is clear as day and the best one I've ever looked through, so that's all I care about. The turrets are slightly on the mushy side, especially compared to my Cronus. I have zero issue dialing to the setting I need in a hurry though. Feel like turret feel is preference. Should I expect firmer turrets though? Anyone elses really notchy/clicky? Mine feel good honestly, not bad, but they're not as stiff as some other scopes I have.
 
No dust, but i haven't looked for it. The scope is clear as day and the best one I've ever looked through, so that's all I care about. The turrets are slightly on the mushy side, especially compared to my Cronus. I have zero issue dialing to the setting I need in a hurry though. Feel like turret feel is preference. Should I expect firmer turrets though? Anyone elses really notchy/clicky? Mine feel good honestly, not bad, but they're not as stiff as some other scopes I have.
Sorry man, don't pay me any attention, I just Like Tactile and audible turrets is all and the Burris just didn't do it for me.. Thats why we have many options, you may like something that I don't and vise versa..
 
All good. They’re definitely not as stiff as my athlons. But my first impression was that I liked them. For me it’s all about how quickly and easily you can dial exactly where you want. As long as I’m happy with that I’m happy. Some may not like the feel of course. Just wondering if my turrets are different than others, sounds like they’re not.
 
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And then in a couple of weeks bash burris for having dust in there? Now we’re getting somewhere.
I've been running these since the xtr 3 was first released an no dust has got in there. I've shot in some of the harshest conditions with no ill effects. Do you also think that o ring holds the gas inside the scope
 
My oh my what did we ever do when we had only .5 and 1 mil increments on a reticle

That was suboptimal too.

.25 mils is dumb. If my target is in between subtensions, it's either .125, .375, .625, or .875 mils away. Now what do I dial if that's my choice to solve the problem?

This makes the MOA is dumb because fractions people look positively retarded. Anyone can add fractions of four lightning fast unless they have an IQ under 70.
 
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And as far as the reticle and turrets matching. I don’t dial wind I only dial elevation. And holding wind, is the .05mil finer hold on the scr2 going to cause a hit and the 1/4 would miss??? I’m far from a great shooter but 1/4 mil is plenty fine enough to make corrections for wind and misses even on small targets.

The least amount of info in a reticle to get the results needed I think make it easier to understand and use the reticle without confusion as well as make it faster for my brain to pick the right spot in the reticle and not get lost.

I know I’m probably in the minority here but just giving my opinion and experience.