Rifle Scopes Burris XTR3!!!

No they’re not.
I tried to replace my old talos btr on the offhand 22 with the xtr3… because how could more field of view and more magnification not be an improvement? That lasted all of 20 minutes before I put the talos back on.
Xtr3 non illuminated American built, at least the 3-18, is really hard to justify putting on any rifle. It’s sort of a turd.
Edit: mine was me of the Natchez “reconditioned”
 
It’s very interesting the varying opinions of the same optics. And I know it’s not only related to the xtr3’s it has to be just the difference in everyone’s eyes. I know my friend group has disagreed on glass quality between scopes and binos. Rarely have we all agreed one is the best.
 
I don't have anything bad to say about my 3.3-18 colorado built scope. I have seen the videos of the turrets and the one Spife's(that was you correct, with the entire turret assembly loose.) Ya. That's a turd.

That's always been my trouble with Burris/Steiner. When I have received a turd. I have never had any luck getting them to fix it or admit it's turd. I had a couple xtr2s that were like looking through the bottom of a Mason jar and a px4 that I needed a chain tong to turn the turrets. They were all deemed, in spec. I ebayed them and they are proabaly still making their rounds. Making people think those scopes are trash. Seems burris would have been ahead of the game to get them out of circulation. I wonder how many shipping labels burris has paid for for those three scopes over the years. I wonder if they are still out there.
 
What would you compare the resolution of the Helos and Ares to? Mark5hd???

How was the eye box of them compared to the xtr3? That is something I noticed on the Midas was the eye box seemed pretty picky. ( to be transparent, this was when I was still running medium height rings to keep the scope lower before I was enlightened)

I don’t have a MK5 on hand currently to compare it to but have owned enough and spent enough hours looking through them to have a pretty solid memory. Without putting them side by side I’d say the resolution on the Ares UHD is a little better and Helos a little behind it but slightly better colors on both. The glass on both of them are really good.

The eyebox is very good on all 3 models I have. It’s very forgiving in the eye relief as well as side to side and up and down. You see a little more black ring around the image than some scopes that just seem to suck you in, but it’s not a lot and it’s more so the Helos 4-20 than the 2-12 and the Ares 3-18. The latter two still have some ring but they’re closer to a large immersive image. None of them have much apparent distortion from not being centered up but the Ares does have a slight rolling globe effect whereas the two Helos have a pretty flat image. It’s not heavy but it’s there when panning.
 
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I tried to replace my old talos btr on the offhand 22 with the xtr3… because how could more field of view and more magnification not be an improvement? That lasted all of 20 minutes before I put the talos back on.
Xtr3 non illuminated American built, at least the 3-18, is really hard to justify putting on any rifle. It’s sort of a turd.
Edit: mine was me of the Natchez “reconditioned”
Ugh. I feel your pain. I got burned by the XTRII (first gen, early adopter). Swore I'd never buy another Burris again.
 
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I like my xtr3s considerably more than I did my Cronus. I like them better than my xrs2. I thought they were a better value than my mk5. About the only thing I liked better about my mk5 was the turrets. If I was looking for a smaller lighter scope, the mk5 has that. It wasn't worth 2 xtr3s to me though. Especially when I can get something to hunt with that weighs 10 or 20oz less than most scopes mentioned in this thread.

I have never messed with the Phillipine built scopes but I have nothing but good things to say about my CO built scopes. Besides the dragon scale knurling. With a little dose of, i told you so. 😉🤣
100% same experience here
 
Yep I have two of them, one went on my SPR and the MK4HD went down the road. They’re surprisingly good as is the 4-20 version. The worst part about them is feeling like a disgusting POS for buying chinesium and liking it.

I've met and talked to some of the owners and factory heads that make Athlon products. One, a wealthy guy owning multiple factories, who is of Chinese descent but also a half century long American citizen, was a very nice and humble person, having a sense of humor, being light hearted, liberal with his money to us, and also just pleasant to be with.
So is the head of Athlon a nice person.

I look at it like this - those regular Chinese people need jobs to support their families just like we do. I'm sure a large portion are like us in how they are disgusted how their government is. They're trapped in a corrupt system like we are.....

Of course I personally would rather support USA made but... BTW my $80,000 2023 Ford F250 is at the dealership getting fixed, twice now it wouldn't start in the last two weeks which is total BS. Also mentioning that our old Ford Explorer's motor seized in the driveway with only 122,000 miles on it. Yes it was well maintaned.

My Toyota's just keep running year after year without problems. What I'm getting at is I want value per dollar spent.
I don’t have a MK5 on hand currently to compare it to but have owned enough and spent enough hours looking through them to have a pretty solid memory. Without putting them side by side I’d say the resolution on the Ares UHD is a little better and Helos a little behind it but slightly better colors on both. The glass on both of them are really good.

The eyebox is very good on all 3 models I have. It’s very forgiving in the eye relief as well as side to side and up and down. You see a little more black ring around the image than some scopes that just seem to suck you in, but it’s not a lot and it’s more so the Helos 4-20 than the 2-12 and the Ares 3-18. The latter two still have some ring but they’re closer to a large immersive image. None of them have much apparent distortion from not being centered up but the Ares does have a slight rolling globe effect whereas the two Helos have a pretty flat image. It’s not heavy but it’s there when panning.

I just bought a Helos G2 4-20 a few weeks ago because I hadn't tried that one yet. It's pretty decent overall and a good fit to the gun I have it on. It replaced a decade old SWFA 3-15 FFP and the Helos destroys it in every way so I'm well satisfied.

Also having a Helos G2 2-12 and 6-24 I can't recommend them enough for the money.
So I set the course record using that 6-24 mounted on my Anschutz 22rf in our Phoenix area Ultimate Field Target match two years ago.
Then last year set the air rifle slug projectile division record in that UFT match with a Cronus G2 4.5-29x56 when they still had the offhand stage.
And 3 days ago I won our state Pistol Field Target match in Hunter class using the Helos G2 2-12 on my Thomas FT pistol as well as two years ago with the same combo.
Needless to say I'm plenty confident in all them however this Helos G2 line of scope has become my go-to if I don't want to spend much money.

Also during our state match last weekend I won the Silhouette side match along with our Unlimited division in FT. Things don't go this well for me often so I'm pretty buzzed about it! Both times I used a Ares ETR 15-60x56 on my Thomas FT rifle. I know most people around here don't use high magnification target scopes much but the glass in these scopes is crazy nice for the money, like right up there near S&B and March.

I've been trying other brands the last three years like Burris, March, Vector Optics, and Vortex to see what's up with them and honestly some of the downsides I've experienced have sorta turned me off. Though each one I bought was for certain attributes that I wanted so I kept them except a Burris XTR2 1-8.

I really don't want to come off braggy as far my shooting goes but I do want to state how good these Athlon scopes have been for me, however imperfect they may seem to be they haven't let me down yet.
 
Forgive my ignorance but I don't think I know the difference . Can you share a picture of the capped and exposed turrets on the Burris XTR??
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Picture 1: Capped windage installed. Pictured "uncapped". Included exposed windae turret pictured right.

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Picture 2: Capped and covered windage installed. I leave it like this for matches. Hold for wind, Sometimes I'll dial in spin drift if it's >= 0.3 mil.
 

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Picture 1: Capped windage installed. Pictured "uncapped". Included exposed windae turret pictured right.

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Picture 2: Capped and covered windage installed. I leave it like this for matches. Hold for wind, Sometimes I'll dial in spin drift if it's >= 0.3 mil.
So in the first picture where you are holding a windage knob, both it and the one on the scope are the same, Uncapped. That's like my NF.
I guess the thinking with the capped one below, you set it for zeroing then adjust via the reticle for wind holdover?

Thanks
 
So in the first picture where you are holding a windage knob, both it and the one on the scope are the same, Uncapped. That's like my NF.
I guess the thinking with the capped one below, you set it for zeroing then adjust via the reticle for wind holdover?

Thanks
They are different knobs. The cover cannot fit over the larger windage knob that is in my hand. It does fit over the smaller, installed windage knob.

The small windage knob isn't friendly to use on the clock; small diameter with the same angular resolution makes it easy to overshoot or second guess your wind dial. Plus burris knobs are quite stiff and aggressive. If you are going to make a habbit to dial wind with the xtr3i I would install the uncapped wind knob; id be worth it.

However, I wish they would have included the throw lever like my friend got in his.
 
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They are different knobs. The cover cannot fit over the larger windage knob that is in my hand. It does fit over the smaller, installed windage knob.

The small windage knob isn't friendly to use on the clock; small diameter with the same angular resolution makes it easy to overshoot or second guess your wind dial. Plus burris knobs are quite stiff and aggressive. If you are going to make a habbit to dial wind with the xtr3i I would install the uncapped wind knob; id be worth it.

However, I wish they would have included the throw lever like my friend got in his.
Now I understand after looking at the pictures again..... I have been reading that they aren't including both capped and uncapped windage knobs now, or the throw lever. I emailed Eurooptic about the accessories and have heard nothing. I will call Burris and Eurooptic on Monday to clearly understand whats supposed to come with the scope. It may be a low price because they removed everything but the scope!!
 
They are different knobs. The cover cannot fit over the larger windage knob that is in my hand. It does fit over the smaller, installed windage knob.

The small windage knob isn't friendly to use on the clock; small diameter with the same angular resolution makes it easy to overshoot or second guess your wind dial. Plus burris knobs are quite stiff and aggressive. If you are going to make a habbit to dial wind with the xtr3i I would install the uncapped wind knob; id be worth it.

However, I wish they would have included the throw lever like my friend got in his.
Hell, I'd have been happy with just the exposed windage knob... They didn't include either in mine...
 
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I sold all 3 of my exposed windage knobs. I like the capped windage personally. It’s one of the features I like on the xtr series.

Post a WTB ad on here, I bet you would find one pretty easy. I think only the US versions came with both options.
 
I sold all 3 of my exposed windage knobs. I like the capped windage personally. It’s one of the features I like on the xtr series.

Post a WTB ad on here, I bet you would find one pretty easy. I think only the US versions came with both options.
It's a lot thinner side-to-side. I also like the capped windage, as that rifle is a centerfire (was on my 6mm ARC, then Solus .308 Win, and now Solus 7 SAW - same rifle as .308 win, just a new barrel), and I mostly just use the reticle for windage. Plus, I find the SCR2 reticle very user friendly and super easy to use.
 
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I bought this scope after researching as I don’t have an unlimited budget for optics but wanted as much value as I could get for a prs scope. After talking to a Burris rep on the phone wondering about it vs the pro. I got the standard xtr III for 1200$ a europtic sale.

The pro only has slightly better glass he said maybe 10% and I ordered the race turret separately figured wasn’t worth 600$ to me and they advised unless I really wanted the pro that price different wasn’t gaining a ton.

I’m extremely impressed I feel like getting a lot for a match scope for the money.
 
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I bought this scope after researching as I don’t have an unlimited budget for optics but wanted as much value as I could get for a prs scope. After talking to a Burris rep on the phone wondering about it vs the pro. I got the standard xtr III for 1200$ a europtic sale.

The pro only has slightly better glass and I ordered the race turret separately figured wasn’t worth 600$ to me.

I’m extremely impressed I feel like getting a lot for a match scope for the money.
Can you please share a link for the race turret?
 
I bought this scope after researching as I don’t have an unlimited budget for optics but wanted as much value as I could get for a prs scope. After talking to a Burris rep on the phone wondering about it vs the pro. I got the standard xtr III for 1200$ a europtic sale.

The pro only has slightly better glass he said maybe 10% and I ordered the race turret separately figured wasn’t worth 600$ to me and they advised unless I really wanted the pro that price different wasn’t gaining a ton.

I’m extremely impressed I feel like getting a lot for a match scope for the money.
I have owned 2 of the non-illuminated and they really are a good scope. Mine both track 100%, and the glass is noticeably better than some much more expensive scopes out there.
 
That’s saying a lot if it can outperform some of the real expensive ones.

Mine certainly won't "outperform" expensive optics, but my U.S. made XTR III (non-illuminated) is certainly the best scope that I've purchased in the $900 - 1300 range.

To some degree - since it hasn't failed me on multiple rifles - it has been just as repeatable and reliable (to this point) as scopes that cost more for sure.
 
Maybe I got two good examples, but to my eyes I think the optical quality is better than my NXS, ATACR, & Gen II razor of which I have owned several of each. Not saying any of these scopes are not great in their own right as we all know they are, rather the US made Burris XTRIII 5.5-30 is shockingly good especially for the $1000ish price range they were being sold for. I had the 3.3-18 and it wasn’t nearly as good as the 5.5-30. Maybe Burris isn’t as consistent from scope to scope quality like NF & Vortex Razor line. I can’t comment on that as I have only owned 3 Burris scopes in my life (these XTRIII), but I know the consistency in the others.

Don’t get me wrong I am not here to fan boy Burris in any way, I am just putting out my thoughts.
 
Maybe I got two good examples, but to my eyes I think the optical quality is better than my NXS, ATACR, & Gen II razor of which I have owned several of each. Not saying any of these scopes are not great in their own right as we all know they are, rather the US made Burris XTRIII 5.5-30 is shockingly good especially for the $1000ish price range they were being sold for. I had the 3.3-18 and it wasn’t nearly as good as the 5.5-30. Maybe Burris isn’t as consistent from scope to scope quality like NF & Vortex Razor line. I can’t comment on that as I have only owned 3 Burris scopes in my life (these XTRIII), but I know the consistency in the others.

Don’t get me wrong I am not here to fan boy Burris in any way, I am just putting out my thoughts.
My two XTR3’s, one illum model and the other the non-illum, both were optically better then the Steiner T6 I had

The 5-30 seemed to have the best glass compared to the 3-18 version.
 
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Mine certainly won't "outperform" expensive optics, but my U.S. made XTR III (non-illuminated) is certainly the best scope that I've purchased in the $900 - 1300 range.

To some degree - since it hasn't failed me on multiple rifles - it has been just as repeatable and reliable (to this point) as scopes that cost more for sure.
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I finally got a Burris XTR3, won one at a match, I had intended to buy one once the illuminated version came out but never did (a variety of reasons).

It's a non illuminated 3.3-18x50.
The turrets are nice, dragon scales are really not bad, turret resistance is about right and no backlash in the clicks.

Putting it on a tripod and comparing to a few other scopes, the glass isn't as good as I'd expected.
Definitely worse than my Delta Stryker (so I'm guessing other LOW 4.5-30 scopes) but better than my PST Gen2 3-15.

I'll try doing some more optical testing in different conditions, but so far it's a little disappointing, however the overall package is pretty good and an upgrade over the PST Gen2 3-15 which is what I'd always been looking for, capped windage being a huge selling point.

I think the glass might perform better once mounted on a rifle as even being a small amount off center seems to make the CA and edge clarity considerably worse.
 
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I finally got a Burris XTR3, won one at a match, I had intended to buy one once the illuminated version came out but never did (a variety of reasons).

It's a non illuminated 3.3-18x50.
The turrets are nice, dragon scales are really not bad, turret resistance is about right and no backlash in the clicks.

Putting it on a tripod and comparing to a few other scopes, the glass isn't as good as I'd expected.
Definitely worse than my Delta Stryker (so I'm guessing other LOW 4.5-30 scopes) but better than my PST Gen2 3-15.

I'll try doing some more optical testing in different conditions, but so far it's a little disappointing, however the overall package is pretty good and an upgrade over the PST Gen2 3-15 which is what I'd always been looking for, capped windage being a huge selling point.

I think the glass might perform better once mounted on a rifle as even being a small amount off center seems to make the CA and edge clarity considerably worse.
I found the glass is noticeably better in the 5.5-30 vs the 3.3-18, but I get that you won that scope. I have found all of mine to track perfectly and thus far have been durable.
 
I found the glass is noticeably better in the 5.5-30 vs the 3.3-18, but I get that you won that scope. I have found all of mine to track perfectly and thus far have been durable.
Been playing with it a reasonable bit today.
Below 12x the glass is excellent, above 12x the resolution drops off considerably, and the contrast gets worse.

I'm keen to use the scope for a while, I like the reticle, turrets, and FOV. Kinda like the opposite of my Delta Stryker (glass is greats, FOV not, reticle a bit meh).

If I like it I'll consider buying a 5.5-30 or even a Pro, depending on the local importer.
 
I finally got a Burris XTR3, won one at a match, I had intended to buy one once the illuminated version came out but never did (a variety of reasons).

It's a non illuminated 3.3-18x50.
The turrets are nice, dragon scales are really not bad, turret resistance is about right and no backlash in the clicks.

Putting it on a tripod and comparing to a few other scopes, the glass isn't as good as I'd expected.
Definitely worse than my Delta Stryker (so I'm guessing other LOW 4.5-30 scopes) but better than my PST Gen2 3-15.

I'll try doing some more optical testing in different conditions, but so far it's a little disappointing, however the overall package is pretty good and an upgrade over the PST Gen2 3-15 which is what I'd always been looking for, capped windage being a huge selling point.

I think the glass might perform better once mounted on a rifle as even being a small amount off center seems to make the CA and edge clarity considerably worse.
I have a nonilluminated 3.3-18 and a nonilluminated 5.5-30... the 5.5-30 is incredible, the 3.3-18 is pretty disappointing in comparison.
 
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Now that it’s cold, I understand the gripe about the turrets.

When it was 23 degrees and my hands were numb I see the complaint about the turret scales. Not really a deal breaker, but a valid observation.
 
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