Bushmaster ACR Update

#6
Re: Bushmaster ACR Update

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lazlo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is this a re-branded Remington ACR? If not, does anyone know the difference.

Link provided for reference only:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLy3xABAsEc </div></div>

I've read so many variations on this questions I'm almost wondering if it's the latest internet meme.

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Bushmaster and Remington are the same company. The ACR is the same from both branches, they're just going for different marketing demos. It's like looking at a Chrystler Town and Country and asking why they're producing the same mini-van as the Dodge Caravan. (This is also why the Remington R-15 is a Bushmaster varminter in realtree and the R-25 is a DPMS [also same company] LR308 in realtree).
 
#8
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When I see it I will believe it. Sure it will be at shot show but there will be some reason it will not be out for another year. Even if it does come out soon I am fed up with the BS and will probably just keep my BCM Middy.
 
#9
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I went to my dealer yesterday to try to get to the front of the line on the ACR. He talked to Bushmaster today and reported the following:
1. The ACR will be launched at the Shot Show.
2. Bushmaster will use that launch to guage interest in the rifle
3. From the market reception data, they will then sell production ACRs sometime during the middle of this year

So it still looks like vaporware for now. My dealer will be going to Shot Show so will be looking at the ACR that they have displayed there.
 
#13
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Just about anything "hyped" you see at Shot is no where near being released, if ever.

There are hundreds if not thousands of items I've seen at Shot that never hits the streets, or only made it to LEO. I see the same items at Shot every year with the promise that "it coming" but the only place you get to see it is at Shot year after year.

Don't hold your breath for anything you see at Shot if it's not already on the street before then.
 
#15
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T.C.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought I read they were going to keep it under 2k ... not 100% sure about that though. </div></div>

I heard a number around $1700. I was a little surprised.
 
#16
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nope... here are the prices from Bushmaster's Press Release...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Each configuration of the commercial ACR is offered in a non-reflective, black finish or Coyote Brown (30118). Suggested retail price: Basic $2,685 and Enhanced $3,061.

http://www.bushmaster.com/Press-release-11810.asp
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#21
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jaw921</div><div class="ubbcode-body">damn, that price is up there. </div></div>

They can keep it for that price. I don't see anything on that rifle that warrants it being that much. Hell the LWRC 556's are cheaper.
 
#24
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This is what I don't get... the claim quick change capability for 5.56 to 6.8 ...

ACR per the website is designed for use with PMags... well isnt it a problem that PMags dont hold 6.8 spc?

Me thinks Magpul needs to design a 6.8spc PMag ...
 
#25
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 4thSeal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is what I don't get... the claim quick change capability for 5.56 to 6.8 ...

ACR per the website is designed for use with PMags... well isnt it a problem that PMags dont hold 6.8 spc?

Me thinks Magpul needs to design a 6.8spc PMag ...

</div></div>

I suppose you have to use the regular medal mags when switching over to 6.8 ... unless magpul is going to start making them which would be great.
 
#26
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I was really interested in the original Masada, and was hopeful the ACR would be everything I wanted. Nope.

For that price point, 1/9 barrel which isn't chrome lined, and a Bushy to boot... I'll pass. Does anyone know if they retained the ability to quick change with any AR barrel? Or is the final ACR quick change with proprietary barrels?
 
#27
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I'm pretty bummed, I've been waiting patiently for the ACR to come out since Magpul showed it off four years ago. I understood there is a good ammount of lag between concept and actual commercial sale.

However trying to sell the basic rifle for over two grand is just bull.

Now to be fair it's better to go off dealer price which is $2100 for the basic ACR so after things die down you'll probably be able to find them online for just a bit more than that, but you can get a top tier AR with all the bells and whistles for the same price or less, and the FN SCAR which which is also priced to an unreasonable level is still cheaper than the comperably equiped "enhanced" ACR.

Even Magpul wasn't expecting the price Bushmaster pulled out of their ass on this one.
 
#29
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Starvin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm pretty bummed, I've been waiting patiently for the ACR to come out since Magpul showed it off four years ago. I understood there is a good ammount of lag between concept and actual commercial sale.

However trying to sell the basic rifle for over two grand is just bull.

Now to be fair it's better to go off dealer price which is $2100 for the basic ACR so after things die down you'll probably be able to find them online for just a bit more than that, but you can get a top tier AR with all the bells and whistles for the same price or less, and the FN SCAR which which is also priced to an unreasonable level is still cheaper than the comperably equiped "enhanced" ACR.

Even Magpul wasn't expecting the price Bushmaster pulled out of their ass on this one. </div></div>

With the specs I would not even consider it at 2100. The over 2k number really just kills it for me. If they had come in with anything under 2k I would have seriously considered one. I hope they have not made many because I doubt there will be many takers.
 
#30
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I was just hopping this thing would atleast put a squeeze on the other piston ar makers and FN scar in terms on price / competition. I think they will all laugh at the ACR and its carpy feature / price point.
 
#31
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$2685... Yeah, not going to happen. I've got a POF, its on a platform that I know, Its reliable, and cool. Dont need something else just for the cool factor.

Wow, that price is a bit of a slap to the face after all that time waiting.

However I'd love to see its "fire till fail" capability.
 
#32
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jaw921</div><div class="ubbcode-body">damn, that price is up there. </div></div>

They can keep it for that price. I don't see anything on that rifle that warrants it being that much. Hell the LWRC 556's are cheaper. </div></div>

That is an excellent point. LWRC and POF both have twice the components that this stupid thing has and they are both CHEAPER! WTF are they thinking!??!
 
#38
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I talked with a rep today at SHOT who told me they would start production of the rifles at 500 rifles the first month and then ramp up that number to 750 over several months. He then told me that I was the "lucky one" because despite limited quantity & a higher cost than expected, he being a Bushmaster employee, wouldn't be able to order one until they were off backorder - which he estimated to be 2 1/2 - 3 years. I had to laugh at him.

Not only that, but the cheek weld piece is raised by sliding the cheek piece which forces a plastic cylindrical "tab" (for lack of a better word) on each side of the stock through a plastic on plastic "pinch point" (think of using a paper punch to punch two holes in a piece of paper that only slightly overlap so that a pinch point is created where the two circles meet and that is what it looks like on both sides).

I asked him what would happen when the plastic contact points dulled and the cheek piece would cease to be held securely either up or down & he claimed that "it could never happen" and disregarded my question.

Now here is the thing, I noted that when I first dropped by the booth early on day one, it was incredibly tight (still thought it was a bad idea, but it was tight) - tight enough that I thought that I was manipulating it wrong. Today, on the other hand, it was pretty damn easy to manipulate - which is why I posed the question about it. I know that that's several thousand manipulations in a short period of time, but it's still something I noticed right away as being a potential issue. Small - sure, but weak I thought.

Not that I'll be getting one for myself anyway - I'd rather go with a POF for that money.
 
#39
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gunsmithcat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
CTD_ACR.jpg
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Now that's funny.
 
#40
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Just watched a youtube video of Busmaster explaining why it's so damn expensive.

The general jist I got from it was:

"We realized we could get away with chargeing the military a lot for this rifle if it gets adopted and if we hope do to so we have to charge you a lot for it too because of aquisition laws"
 
#45
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AJBello</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T.C.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Starvin... do you have the URL to the youtube video...???? If so, can you post it here? Thanks. </div></div>

Maybe this one:
Bushmaster Salesman Pitching Overpriced Rifle
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Ha! That's the guy I talked to. Buying an ACR is out of my mind now - WTF is Bushmaster thinking?!
 
#46
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Fuck that thing. I'd spend that amount on a Colt 6920+Aimpoint ML3+ammo. Then I would be a fuck of a lot better shooter then the fanboy koolaide drinkers that spend 3 fucking grand on this plastic POS, then put it in the safe cuz they cant afford to shoot it. But hey they can parade around their awsomeness on barf.com.

<rant over>

Sorry
 
#48
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The two previous posts show a tremendous amount of good sense. Very good advice most would do well to follow instead of getting caught in this ACR nonsense.
 
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