I plan on testing how it tracks and holds up in part 2. This is an overview of it's features, and how the zero stops work. Bushnell has really stepped up it's game!
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Rifle Scopes Bushnell ERS 3.5-21x50 review.
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nicely done man, best review done thus far on the new bushnell turrets. Do you think the glass is any different on the ERS vs the DMR?
Is that music at the end from the soundtrack to 'Pimp my Ride'?
Good, quality video. I liked the split screens and lack of heavy metal music.
Good, quality video. I liked the split screens and lack of heavy metal music.
I think so, but I'm really trying to look though both and make that call. When I first got the DMR, I noticed the CA pretty bad in yellow on roof tops. Yesterday, I could not see it in either scope looking at the same roof top. Then I noticed it was my cheek weld. If I was pushed to far down, it would cause it on both. More so on the DMR.
Also maybe my glass in my DMR was just not as good as others, but I still never felt like it lacked. I liked the glass in it, but felt compared to high end scopes it was not as clear on the edges when using the 1/10th mil markers. I think the ERS is clearer on the edges. That could be my head messing with me. Either way it's very nice on the new ERS.
OFIS, the sound track was something that Final Cut Pro gave me for free!
I noticed FCP threw the audio back in for both cameras on the split screen. I thought I had removed that. Either way, I think the video came out okay!
Thanks
Great job on video. Just received one on Monday and placed it atop a rifle this morning. Thanks for the tutorial on the zero-stop!
Be safe,
FourNineThree
Be safe,
FourNineThree
IMO for the 10 mil turns and the zero stops yes. The turrets feel great. I'm going to shoot a match with it, and test it's tracking next.
I've got this scope as well as the TRS 4.5-30x50mm - both with G2 and the 6-24x50mm HDMR G2. I have to say that the G2 reticle has made me a better shooter without dialing turrets. I also love the H59 reticle too, which I'm leaning more toward as my favorite reticle of all. What's interesting about these reticles, that unless you are trying to dope all things (coriolus effct, humidity, aggregate wind, elevation, angle of attack, and range via a calculator) to get a first shot hit at extremely long distances and want to adjust turrets to dial that in, the G2 and H59, allow one to approximate very closely using the strada and estimating just windage (assuming you know your rifle and the BC of the ammo). I've been so much more successful using the reticle to do holdover/holdoff versus doing dial turns, with easy (let alone faster) second shot adjustments. For a less than pro like me, the reticle is what making a material difference in my shooting accuracy. Though thats not to say, dialing in (when calc'd out), isn't critical. The dials on all the above listed scopes and in particular the ERS and TRS are darn awesome, positive click, locking, accurate among clicks throughout the range, easy to turn (without overturning or being loose), and I couldn't be happier using them. You've got to handed to Bushnell to break out strating the the HDMR and moving forward!
Nice review, thank you. Getting close to breaking down and getting one of these.
How do you compare the glass to the other high end scopes you mentioned in the video? Also, the price of the ERS & XRS are getting real close to the price of the NF ATACR. It's starting to become a tough decision in this price range.......
How do you compare the glass to the other high end scopes you mentioned in the video? Also, the price of the ERS & XRS are getting real close to the price of the NF ATACR. It's starting to become a tough decision in this price range.......
So at 100 yards though a S&B, it's pretty damn obvious what kinda glass the S&B has. It's just super crisp , bright, and high res. Right before nightfall though that same S&B, it was not any brighter than my HDMR. We went back and forth back and forth. It was the same.
As for the ATACR. That's SFP, so not even an option for me.
Great review, now I really want to try one of these. Have you looked through a Razor or used the turrets on them? If so how do they compare? Where do you shoot? I would like to find somewhere with more distance to shoot when I finish this deployment and return to the DFW area.
I've read some reviews (hope I can link elsewhere without violating... Field Test: Razor 5-20 v SS 5-20 v DMR G2 3.5-21 v NXS 5.5-2) that talks about the original HDMR not having as super glass as others in this price range. How does the ERS stack up against the original? Or the SS, Razor, etc (if you have the ability to do a side-by-side)?
I'm very seriously looking at the ERS, but a used USO is in a similar price range. I don't have the ability to see either in person, so I'm having to go off of reviews at the moment.
Thanks for your efforts and great videos.
I'm very seriously looking at the ERS, but a used USO is in a similar price range. I don't have the ability to see either in person, so I'm having to go off of reviews at the moment.
Thanks for your efforts and great videos.
Not sure where you are finding used us optics for the price of an ers. I just recieved my ers today and it is amazing. Before you decide based on price call scott at liberty optics the prices might change your thought.
John, I've looked though a Razor and used the turrets on them. It's a great scope, and IMO the glass is = on them. I'm not a professional on that sort of thing, but I don't think you can go wrong with either scope. It comes down to your preference in the reticle. I'm a big fan of the G2, so it was a no brainer for me. It just felt like I updated my HDMR.
I'll give that a read, IMO now that I've had some more time behind my ERS, I do feel like it's improved glass. That could be that HDMR did not have as good as glass as others, I don't know. I feel like it's harder to pick out the CA, and that I can see my holes w/ a .260 easier at 300 yards. One thing for sure, is that it's quality glass, and I think next to a razor, I could not tell much difference. I don't think you're losing anything if you go w/ one scope or the other. It would just be the shooters choice at that point.
I don't have a USO to compare it to. If I come across one in the future I'll let you know. Maybe someone else here has both and can chime in?
Hi DieselGeek,
Great vid mate.
Im in the midst of trying to choose between the ERS and DMR and I just wanted to get your feedback on the 5Mil per rotation vs the 10Mil ? have you found one more useful/better ?
Have you found anything you dont like about either ?
Much appreciated
Cheers
H
Great vid mate.
Im in the midst of trying to choose between the ERS and DMR and I just wanted to get your feedback on the 5Mil per rotation vs the 10Mil ? have you found one more useful/better ?
Have you found anything you dont like about either ?
Much appreciated
Cheers
H
10 mil is much much better. Especially where the 5 mil doesn't have zero stops. With 10 mils per rotation you can reach out quite a ways without ever turning past the first turn. It makes it easier to keep track of where you are at in relation to zero.
Cheers bm11.
Please correct my understanding if its incorrect but does 5 mil per rotation give finer adjustment ? particularly at range ?
No. Still 0.1 mils per click, just more clicks in one revolution on the 10 mil turret. They are closer together but the adjustment is no more coarse or fine.
I've looked thru some HDMR scopes and I was impressed. They seem to have a built like a tank reputation starting. If the new versions are as reliable I'll have to buy one. Great review
+1 Not sure why people try to compare these two scopes its apples to oranges really. Not sure why someone would even consider shooting a SFP scope, but thats just my .02!
Thanks for the vid, really helpful in helping me make up my mind.
I'm just getting back into the game and everything has changed since I bought my B&L Elite 4200 years ago. Nightforce was around back then but I had never heard of Vortex or some of the other brands. I'd never heard of 34mm rings before and now it seems it is the norm. I was looking at the NF, Razor and XRS & ended up going with the XRS 4.5-30X50 just because Bushnell (B&L) was a known quality to me and the explanations in the vid. I ordered the 4.5-30 just because my eyes aren't what they once were. I should have it in a few weeks giving me time to start working up some old brass for loads once I have it mounted. May have to pull the old Browning out too just to get some trigger time while I'm waiting.
I'm just getting back into the game and everything has changed since I bought my B&L Elite 4200 years ago. Nightforce was around back then but I had never heard of Vortex or some of the other brands. I'd never heard of 34mm rings before and now it seems it is the norm. I was looking at the NF, Razor and XRS & ended up going with the XRS 4.5-30X50 just because Bushnell (B&L) was a known quality to me and the explanations in the vid. I ordered the 4.5-30 just because my eyes aren't what they once were. I should have it in a few weeks giving me time to start working up some old brass for loads once I have it mounted. May have to pull the old Browning out too just to get some trigger time while I'm waiting.
Yes, the 10 mil turns and Zero Stops were my biggest reason for the upgrade. For me I can almost reach 1200 yards in ONE turn, so it makes it very hard to get lost in your turrets. I only did it once with the DMR, but it was during a stage, and I got a stage 0 for shooting over the berm. That was very embarrassing. You could check every time, and I though I did. This was during a lunch break, and i just saw zero on the turret so I went from there. really I was at 5 mils and dialed up to 6. IMO if you have 5 mils and a zero stop you'd be fine, and if you had 10 mils w/ no zero stop you'd be fine. Having both is a bonus! I leave .8 mils of downward elevation in my zero stop in case I need to make some minor adjustments with out pulling out the tools.
As far as finding something I don't like, I can't complain much about either. The improvements to the ERS were my only gripes about the DMR/HDMR. I was very skeptical when the HDMR first came out. I though no way could it hang w/ my NF or Premiers. While my Gen 2 XR 5-25 sure had some nice features, I could not see myself spending the extra money on it now with the ERS out. They are tough, have good glass, great turrets, and IMO one of the best reticles around.
This is all just my opnion of course, but a lot of other top shooters(I'm not a top shooter
) are using these, and they like them as well.
Cheers for your thoughts mate, much appreciated.
Can I ask what ring height you're using please ?
Ive decided to order a ERS and would like to use a Spuhr mount, but Im just not 100% if the 30mm will be high enough or if I need 34mm. Its going on a Remington 700 .223 with a 20MOA rail.
Can I ask what ring height you're using please ?
Ive decided to order a ERS and would like to use a Spuhr mount, but Im just not 100% if the 30mm will be high enough or if I need 34mm. Its going on a Remington 700 .223 with a 20MOA rail.
He's got badger mediums, however I hope you know that the 30mm and 34mm are not the height of the scope, but rather the diameter of the rings. For the ERS you have to have 34 mm. The low/medium/high/x-high are the height and the mm is the diameter.
Edit: You want something between .9 and 1 inch high most likely for your setup btw assuming you have a heavy barrel from remington.
Cheers UIUCPPQ, yeah I realise the main tube is 34mm on the ERS. In the Spuhr mounts, the heights are indicated in mm, the SP-4001 mount is a 30mm height and the SP-4006 is a 34mm
Spuhr - SP-4001 Scope Mount 34 mm Picatinny
The 30mm SP-4001 is their lowest mount from what I can see ... but I just wasnt sure if thats going to give sufficient height.
RE: Barrel, on this rifle, no .. I have the higher twist rate VTR barrel .. however this scope set up will be moving to my new rifle when its finished in 6 months time, which will have a heavy barrel on it.
Cheers for your help
Cheers UIUCPPQ, yeah I realise the main tube is 34mm on the ERS. In the Spuhr mounts, the heights are indicated in mm, the SP-4001 mount is a 30mm height and the SP-4006 is a 34mm
Spuhr - SP-4001 Scope Mount 34 mm Picatinny
The 30mm SP-4001 is their lowest mount from what I can see ... but I just wasnt sure if thats going to give sufficient height.
RE: Barrel, on this rifle, no .. I have the higher twist rate VTR barrel .. however this scope set up will be moving to my new rifle when its finished in 6 months time, which will have a heavy barrel on it.
Cheers for your help
Those would be plenty high I would think. Seekins High rings are 1" (~25mm) high. With Glen Seekins reco you would have been fine with lows with a 34mm tube (.92"/23mm) You should have plenty in my non-expert opinion with this 30mm (1.18") height... check the sticky in this forum and about the 3rd or 4th post down is from Glen Seekins with some good info for comparison.
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Cheers UIUCPPQ, yeah I realise the main tube is 34mm on the ERS. In the Spuhr mounts, the heights are indicated in mm, the SP-4001 mount is a 30mm height and the SP-4006 is a 34mm
Spuhr - SP-4001 Scope Mount 34 mm Picatinny
The 30mm SP-4001 is their lowest mount from what I can see ... but I just wasnt sure if thats going to give sufficient height.
RE: Barrel, on this rifle, no .. I have the higher twist rate VTR barrel .. however this scope set up will be moving to my new rifle when its finished in 6 months time, which will have a heavy barrel on it.
Cheers for your help
Ahh, see I was wondering if I had made a fool of myself by posting an incorrect correction but I felt so sure of myself. My apologies and good thing you know better than to listen to some knucklehead on the internet.
Cheers mate Ill go have a look.
Nah its all good. Thats the trouble talking across mm/inches ... its never quite clear, and I did manage to pick the two mount heights that replicate tube dia exactly just for added confusion.
Im hoping to squeeze a set of butler caps in there as well, just for good measure.
Like he asked above Dieselgeek have you had a chance to look through the new Mark6 leupold? I'm curious what you think in comparison. I'm really thinking about getting either the ers or the mark6 with the cmr-w 7.62 reticle.
Hi DieselGeek,
Midway have the objective lens bell size listed at 60mm .... I was just wondering if you would be able to confirm if thats correct by any chance please ?
I didnt think the housing was that thick ....
Thanks very much
H
Midway have the objective lens bell size listed at 60mm .... I was just wondering if you would be able to confirm if thats correct by any chance please ?
I didnt think the housing was that thick ....
Thanks very much
H
Thanks for the review - I think this scope would make a really good stop gap between what I can afford now and the Premier that I really want.
Also, I think it was you that turned me on to Tac Pro - I've been out there a couple times now, great range. I still don't have a rifle that I can shoot at the 1K range but I did have fun shooting my brothers M1A out there. Hopefully this summer I'll finally get my "big boy rifle" and do some real shooting out there.
Also, I think it was you that turned me on to Tac Pro - I've been out there a couple times now, great range. I still don't have a rifle that I can shoot at the 1K range but I did have fun shooting my brothers M1A out there. Hopefully this summer I'll finally get my "big boy rifle" and do some real shooting out there.
I just received my ERS today and so far the initial impressions are very good. I was pricing from two different companies and both were very close in price but it came down to who was cheaper and it's also hard to argue with being able to order it on a Friday afternoon and have it hand this morning at no charge. Pulling it out of the box and giving it a once over revealed a fairly good level of fit and finish for this price range and all the moving bits rotated smoothly with just the right amount of friction it seemed and the turrets felt really good. It was mentioned earlier that they feel like NF HS turrets and at this point I'd have to agree, the feel is very similar. I'm used to reticles like the MLR/TMR so this G2DMR will take some getting used to but I like it and can definitely see the utility in its design, I can see why it's popular. Optically at this point in time I can't really comment to it's performance, I spent about 15 minutes outside and while there was some chromatic abberations when looking at white objects in particular it wasn't that bad. At 15X the optical qualities were about the same as the NF F1 on the same power and I higher magnifications I seriously doubt it will prevent me from seeing or hitting a target. I'm going to try to get it zeroed sometime this week, I was hoping for Friday but that not nixed so maybe Thursday, we'll see.
Right now a shooting buddy and I are on the fence between a Mark 4/M5 and an M6, and the ERS. So I'd love to hear about this comparison as well if anyone has any experience. Specifically glass quality.
I just got an ERS 3.5 -21 X 50 three weeks ago. EXCELLENT scope for the nearly $1,800. Got the H59 reticle.
I'm load testing soona so I'll see how it "shoots a square" for turret accuracy.
I'm load testing soona so I'll see how it "shoots a square" for turret accuracy.
You guys are killing me. Every time I decide on the Mark 6, someone posts about the ERS. Every time I decide on the ERS, someone posts about the Mark 6.
For those of you who are not strangers to uber-high-end optics (S&B, USO, Zeiss, Swaro), how does the ERS/XRS glass compare?
For those of you who are not strangers to uber-high-end optics (S&B, USO, Zeiss, Swaro), how does the ERS/XRS glass compare?
I've been waiting for it. Your reviews are what have me looking at the ERS in the first place
Didn't find these two reviews until after I'd ordered a FDE ERS from Scott at Liberty, but now that I've seen both vids, they confirm what I've been seeing so far with the ERS on my 260 Imp 30*. Only thing is, I don't have any high-end glass to compare optical quality - but I'm thinking the Bushnell glass is close - maybe slightly better than what I'm used to shooting, which is Sightron SIII 6-24x50 LRMOA. Really looking forward to getting together with a good friend who's got a couple of Premier Heritage 3-15s so we can do a side-by-side comparison.
I need to shoot a box with the ERS/260 - Shooter calls for 3.5mil come-up from my 100yd zero to 600yds., and every time I've used 3.5, I wind up 5" high at 600. I've double-checked the rifle set-up & ammo specs in the app on my droid, but am still getting the high group at 600. Maybe I just need to train the app instead of doubting the scope's click value?
I need to shoot a box with the ERS/260 - Shooter calls for 3.5mil come-up from my 100yd zero to 600yds., and every time I've used 3.5, I wind up 5" high at 600. I've double-checked the rifle set-up & ammo specs in the app on my droid, but am still getting the high group at 600. Maybe I just need to train the app instead of doubting the scope's click value?
See if there is a truing feature to your app. On Strelok you can change the actual hold or adjustment made to reach a set distance and true the solver. Some others have it too. If it tells me I need 6 mils at 675 yards with my 308 but I really needed 6.2 then I can input that into the "trajectory calibration" box and get a corrected muzzle velocity. My "corrected velocity" on Strelok does not match what I get out of the chronograph but has worked well for me with the app out to 772 yards so far.
I would think you could have some info off in your solver, muzzle velocity and or density altitude for example as opposed to your ERS not tracking properly. Tracking is one of the highest points for the newer line of Elite Tacticals, it's not impossible though. You can run a tracking test on it to find out.
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