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Rifle Scopes Bushnell LRTS 3-12x44 Reticle Subtension Way Off

Mordamer

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    • May 11, 2010
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    I purchased a brand new Bushnell 3-12x44 LRTS with the G2DMR reticle. I went to sight it in for the first time this evening. First 2 shots were close together and 0.8 mils low as measured by the reticle. I bring the turret 8 clicks up. Next 3 shots are close together but are still .4 mils low as measured by the reticle. I thought this was strange. I was shooting at an 8.5x11 piece of paper at exactly 100 yards. I measured the 11 inch side of the paper to be exactly 2 mils on my reticle. This means that the mil hashes are subtending 5.5 inches at 100 yards!!! According to my math a mil is 3.6 inches at 100 yards. The 2 groups I shot were in the realm of 3.6 inches apart. This means the turret was indeed tracking in mils.

    I find this incredibly strange since everything else on the scope seems to be flawless. The glass is excellent, turrets actually adjust in mills despite the reticle, and power lever and paralax seem to work perfect.

    I'll call Bushnell tomorrow to see if I can send it in.

    Has anyone ever heard of a reticle being this far off?
     
    #2
    Is this a second focal plane scope? How are you measuring your distance to the target? Other than that I would call them and see what they say.
     
    #3
    The Bushnell 3-12x44 LRTS is a FFP. Everything is weird here because is not only your reticle what is way off but the turret tracking is off too. At 100 yards If you dialed 0.8 mils in a perfect world your two groups should be 2.88 inches apart, not 3.6 inches
     
    #4
    dannySH said:
    The Bushnell 3-12x44 LRTS is a FFP. Everything is weird here because is not only your reticle what is way off but the turret tracking is off too. At 100 yards If you dialed 0.8 mils in a perfect world your two groups should be 2.88 inches apart, not 3.6 inches
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    You are correct on your measurements. I did not stick a ruler on those groups. I bet if I did I would get 2.8ish inches. Just eyeballing it they were about 3 inches apart. I measured the distance with a Leica range finder. This isn't my first FFP scope. Compared to another FFP scope with a mil reticle it is obvious that the subtensions on the Bushnell are much too large.
     
    #5
    Mordamer said:
    You are correct on your measurements. I did not stick a ruler on those groups. I bet if I did I would get 2.8ish inches. Just eyeballing it they were about 3 inches apart. I measured the distance with a Leica range finder. This isn't my first FFP scope. Compared to another FFP scope with a mil reticle it is obvious that the subtensions on the Bushnell are much too large.
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    To be 100% sure just get a sheet of paper and make a 1.8 inches (1/2 mil at 100 yards) grid pattern and check your reticle hashes at 100 yards or make a 50 millimeters (1/2 mil at 100 meters) grid pattern and check at 100 meters (109 yards)
     
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    dannySH said:
    To be 100% sure just get a sheet of paper and make a 1.8 inches (1/2 mil at 100 yards) grid pattern and check your reticle hashes at 100 yards or make a 50 millimeters (1/2 mil at 100 meters) grid pattern and check at 100 meters (109 yards)
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    I am absolutely sure. I was absolutely sure whenever I measured the 11 much piece of paper. It isn't even close. I'll see if Bushnell has had this problem before. I googled it and no one else has written anything like this that I could find.
     
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    Mordamer said:
    I am absolutely sure. I was absolutely sure whenever I measured the 11 much piece of paper. It isn't even close. I'll see if Bushnell has had this problem before. I googled it and no one else has written anything like this that I could find.
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    Then just call Bushnell and let them know your issue. Good luck and keep us posted about what they said.
     
    #11
    Downtown said:
    Does anyone know how this could happen? It's not like the wrong reticle could be installed at the factory, is it?
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    I would guess that is exactly what happened. That the reticle from one of the other LRTS scopes got put into this one. Everything looked great through the scope so I don't think anything was installed incorrectly.
     
    #12
    Mordamer said:
    Talked to Bushnell and they sent me a shipping label. The rep said he did not think they ever had seen this problem before.
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    That's bullshit. I sent mine back in February for the same problem. The reticle was way too large. It measured a 13 mil item at about 8 "mils." Got a replacement back last week. The reticle looks correct in this one, but I haven't checked it yet.
     
    #13
    I shoot with Mordamer. We both purchased this scope and mine has the same issue. I will be contacting Bushnell tomorrow. They must've had a run of scopes that got the wrong reticle placed in them. We shall see.
     
    #16
    Just got a call from Bushnell. They said they are sending a new scope out next week. I wondered if they repaired them or just replaced them. I am happy with that turnaround time as long as the new scope is good to go. Looks like Bushnell customer service is very good. The guy that called me did say they had a few scopes that this happened to on the production line. I guess the first rep I spoke to when I called in probably just wasn't informed.
     
    #17
    Do you have the model # of your scope handy?

    I have a LRTSi 3-12x44 (ET3124GI) that has the G3i reticle. I got mine back in the middle of February but haven't box tested it yet. I did use it for holding at 200yds without any problems though.

    The LRTSi 3-12x seems like it a rare animal though as I have only seen one other person say they have one.
     
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