Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

[bm11]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mendocino</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would suggest you looked for a used AW. I got a used one with all the accessories (folder, AI bipod, extra mags, hard case, rubber feet, etc) for $5500 and allegedly "only 100 rounds through it." The 100 rounds was BS and the PO had mucked up the trigger and a few other items but I fixed the issues at no cost(thanks to Stacy); added an S&B 5-25 sand the thing shoots great. I'm into it about $8500 "all in" and could not be happier. </div></div>I always am leery of these deals. It seems that every gun for sale, the 2nd owner is the one selling it and only put 300 rounds through it. I'd be more worried about total round count, only because I am not a good enough shooter to tell if the barrel is shot. I'd be buying the gun as a learning tool, expecting it to shoot well, and never would know why I wasn't improving.

 

[MinorDamage]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

On an interesting side note...it is not like the accessories are a proprietary fit for the TRG. You see a lot of people running Harris on either and they work. Also, the ATLAS spigot is due out for the TRG later this year (hopefully) and then you can mount up a bipod that is arguably one of the better designs out there.

NEAR Manufacturing sells a scope base that runs about $175. Zak Smith wrote an article where they had a slight issue with that base loosening up during firing (TRG-42 .338 LM). I firmly believe it did loosen up, but the instructions tell you not to loc-tite the base because it dovetails right into the recoil slots in the receiver. If you dab a little on there you will have ZERO worries. Put some badger rings on it and you are GTG.

AICS mags do work in the TRG and there is a new conversion kit coming out that will apparently make them lock up tight...not that they are not secure now, they just have a little side to side play. The TRG guys have also been getting after JBW III to make a Morta Mag for the TRG series. He understands the need but is recouping his funds from the initial AI run.

AI's accessories aren't cheap either and many people run third party stuff for bipods, scope bases, rings, and muzzle brakes. Even if you purchase everything OEM, I still argue that the TRG is a better rifle for the money than the AE...even the MKII. The AW is in another luxury price class all its own.

AI vs TRG

Price-TRG

Accessories-Possibly in AI's favor, but you don't have to get everything from the manufacturer. Manufacturer goes to AI for value. Aftermarket it is a wash.

Accuracy-Wash

Bolt throw-Wash (60 degrees on both)

Trigger-TRG (sorry, I have shot both...the TRG's is amazing)

Stock-This one is all about comfort. I have a hard time getting comfy behind the AI. TRG won out for me. Get behind both and figure it out so you don't make a costly mistake. Oh, and whoever said the TRG was fugly is crazy. It is WAY sexier than the AI. Like the difference between Margaret Thatcher and Jessica Biel.

BTW, go to Zak Smith's website (demigodllc.org - I think) and check out his review. You have already seen that there are a ton of fan boys from each clan. I am a TRG fan boy and proud of it. You are going to need to be pretty studly to bring either one close to mechanical failure based on pure brute strength.

Josh

 

[Lowlight]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

Good solid post above but you glazed past and missed the biggest issue and selling point with the AI, where the TRG can't compete.

Changing barrels and calibers in your garage in minutes.

 

[MinorDamage]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good solid post above but you glazed past and missed the biggest issue and selling point with the AI, where the TRG can't compete.

Changing barrels and calibers in your garage in minutes. </div></div>

Agreed, but 80-90% of the shooters aren't going to be switching barrels. For the ones that do, awesome, the AI may be your platform. If not, then it becomes a tougher problem. I would be interested to hear how many of the AI shooters above regularly switch out there barrels (I realize we have some that do so). Personally, I don't have the money to shoot a bunch of different calibers...if you do, Frank's point is even more valid.

Josh

 

[Goldbeachman]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good solid post above but you glazed past and missed the biggest issue and selling point with the AI, where the TRG can't compete.

Changing barrels and calibers in your garage in minutes. </div></div>

Right on LL. I'm in the op's purchase decision situation as well but leaned toward getting the AW and my only debate was with folder or non.

Question: would you get the AI armoror's kit or other for quick changing, for example, .308 barrel to .260?

 

[stefan73]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

I would say this as was posted before.
If you have access get behind and/or handle an AI and a TRg. Whatever feels better to you and you personaly like better, buy!!!
In the end it is about what makes you happy!

 

[Lowlight]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good solid post above but you glazed past and missed the biggest issue and selling point with the AI, where the TRG can't compete.

Changing barrels and calibers in your garage in minutes. </div></div>

Agreed, but 80-90% of the shooters aren't going to be switching barrels. For the ones that do, awesome, the AI may be your platform. If not, then it becomes a tougher problem. I would be interested to hear how many of the AI shooters above regularly switch out there barrels (I realize we have some that do so). Personally, I don't have the money to shoot a bunch of different calibers...if you do, Frank's point is even more valid.

Josh</div></div>

Years ago not as many were switching calibers, it was pretty rare, but since a lot more are... when you can buy a 308 and shoot both the 260 and/or 243 it becomes a very good competition rifle. You can practice all day everyday with the 308, and then just switch to a 260 and move on down the road. it's so easy and cost effective it is almost silly not too, especially if you have that, "you can buy only one" mentality one rifle, many uses.

Also even with the TRG, if you shoot 10,000 over say 5 years, the rifle has to go in for a new barrel. With the AI if you don't care about the name on the side, you have one sent over and installed yourself for much less and faster. That pressed fit is definitely a sticking point when you really think about cost of ownership.

Don't get me wrong, i have both, but the benefits of the AI platform go well beyond your stated points.

 

[Bacarrat]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">On an interesting side note...it is not like the accessories are a proprietary fit for the TRG. You see a lot of people running Harris on either and they work. Also, the ATLAS spigot is due out for the TRG later this year (hopefully) and then you can mount up a bipod that is arguably one of the better designs out there.

NEAR Manufacturing sells a scope base that runs about $175. Zak Smith wrote an article where they had a slight issue with that base loosening up during firing (TRG-42 .338 LM). I firmly believe it did loosen up, but the instructions tell you not to loc-tite the base because it dovetails right into the recoil slots in the receiver. If you dab a little on there you will have ZERO worries. Put some badger rings on it and you are GTG.

AICS mags do work in the TRG and there is a new conversion kit coming out that will apparently make them lock up tight...not that they are not secure now, they just have a little side to side play. The TRG guys have also been getting after JBW III to make a Morta Mag for the TRG series. He understands the need but is recouping his funds from the initial AI run.

AI's accessories aren't cheap either and many people run third party stuff for bipods, scope bases, rings, and muzzle brakes. Even if you purchase everything OEM, I still argue that the TRG is a better rifle for the money than the AE...even the MKII. The AW is in another luxury price class all its own.

AI vs TRG

Price-TRG

Accessories-Possibly in AI's favor, but you don't have to get everything from the manufacturer. Manufacturer goes to AI for value. Aftermarket it is a wash.

Accuracy-Wash

Bolt throw-Wash (60 degrees on both)

Trigger-TRG (sorry, I have shot both...the TRG's is amazing)

Stock-This one is all about comfort. I have a hard time getting comfy behind the AI. TRG won out for me. Get behind both and figure it out so you don't make a costly mistake. Oh, and whoever said the TRG was fugly is crazy. It is WAY sexier than the AI. Like the difference between Margaret Thatcher and Jessica Biel.

BTW, go to Zak Smith's website (demigodllc.org - I think) and check out his review. You have already seen that there are a ton of fan boys from each clan. I am a TRG fan boy and proud of it. You are going to need to be pretty studly to bring either one close to mechanical failure based on pure brute strength.

Josh </div></div>

Great post! I could go either way too. AI or TRG. But the TRGs stock is much more comfortable to me and the trigger on the TRG is phenomenal. Durability? Both are very durable rifles are are designed as such. I don't think I could break either and I am not easy on my equipment. But LL does have a point, I haven't seen much in terms of people switching barrels out on the TRG. But if I wanted a laser, I would just bust out my 7WSM.

I am really looking forward on ordering up my TRG22 folder.

 

[mgpatty]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

The ability to change the barrel on the AI AE/AW was one of the biggest factors in my decision to chose the AE MKII over the TRG. I wanted the ability to have someone like GA Precision make a barrel for me in .243 that I could also use on the same platform. I also wanted a bolt action instead of a semi. The AE MKII was the clear choice. The TRG did have a really good trigger and ergonomics. However, I haven't had any problems fitting behind the AI nor adjusting to it's trigger.

 

[MinorDamage]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great post! I could go either way too. AI or TRG. But the TRGs stock is much more comfortable to me and the trigger on the TRG is phenomenal. Durability? Both are very durable rifles are are designed as such. I don't think I could break either and I am not easy on my equipment. But LL does have a point, I haven't seen much in terms of people switching barrels out on the TRG. But if I wanted a laser, I would just bust out my 7WSM.

I am really looking forward on ordering up my TRG22 folder. </div></div>

Frank's experience and knowledge far surpasses mine. I remember one thread in which he stated that he could buy a REALLY nice house or a couple modest ones if he sold off his firearm collection. There is definite value to the user changeability of the AI. He does point out the fact that you can shoot 260 and 243 from the AI with a barrel change. However, I could swear there are people that change their TRG barrels at home as well. I can't imagine it is any harder than a R700 switch barrel (you can correct me on this Frank). It may not be as common, which is why we don't hear about it.

Seriously, get behind both because they are different animals. Buy the one that fits best and you enjoy most. If you really shoot it like it is supposed to be shot you will far outpace the weapon cost in ammunition, barrels, and training (Those are some of Zak Smith's words of wisdom).

Josh

 

[kingston]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

Difference between the AE and AW???

 

[johndoe]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

Sounds like you have a tough decision ahead of you they
are both great systems.

 

[MinorDamage]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kingston</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Difference between the AE and AW??? </div></div>

Come on man...do some research. Being in a giving mood...

AW-Action permanently bonded to chassis
AE-Action bolted into chassis. Requires a couple extra steps for a barrel swap.

AW-3 position safety
AE-2 position

AW-More options for scope mounting (flat top receiver)
AE-Requires rail (round top receiver)

AW-Double stack magazine (can load from port while mag is in the rifle)
AE-Not

Both have two stage user adjustable triggers. In the AE MKII that trigger is not removable without complete disassembly.

Josh

 

[3PER]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

I'm glad I already made my decision. If in 5 years or 10,000 rounds I need to get another Sako barrel then I'll just get one. I'm looking forward to those 10,000 rounds. Should be a kick!

 

[3PER]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

Here you go...

Kind of a face to face comparison. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[stefan73]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

What suppressor are you running?

 

[3PER]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

Stefan, none of those are my guns, pictures are borrowed for comparison purposes. Enjoy.

That TRG Folder, to me, it's just a work of art, W O W.

 

[bm11]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

I don't much care for the look of the folding stock on the TRG, but I do really like the look of the fixed, and I disagree with the "fugly" comment.

So end-user replaceable barrels, the edge goes to the AI.

How much worse is the trigger on the AI though? How does it compare to an x-mark pro?

 

[bm11]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

Also, what is the benefit to the butt spike on the AW? Is it worth the extra $300+? It seems the benefit would be negated when using a rear bag.

 

[MinorDamage]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How much worse is the trigger on the AI though? How does it compare to an x-mark pro? </div></div>

The AI trigger is miles beyond an X-mark. That is not even a fair comparison. It is not a bad trigger...in fact, it is a nice two stage. The TRG trigger is just that much better.

I will say it again...shoot both if you can. Being in Maine might make it a little more difficult but it will give you a much better information base than even the best advice in this thread.

Josh

 

[TEAMSENDIT]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

I vote the trg, i have handled both and they are both fantastic, but for the money it is hard to go wrong with the trg thousands less. like you said you can put a s&b on top with teh difference. I thought the trg was alittle more comfortable, it is noticeably lighter. both have stellar accuracy, 60 degree bolt throws, stellar reliability.

on the bright side you can't go wrong with either one.

 

[Charliehorse794]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

AI AE MkII gets my vote. I would not trade mine for anything. Topped it with a NF and couldn't be happier.

 

[bm11]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

If only I was a millionaire, I would buy one of each!

A lot of good info in this thread.

A pertinent question for those who have used both:
How does Sako's bipod compare to AI's, or an Atlas on an AI? I really like the look of the design, the one TRG I got a chance to shoot had a Harris on it though.

 

[bm11]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1895987&#Post1895987

Very tempting...

 

[Graham]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lt. Arclight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You'd still be very far from an AW. And you don't need an AW. You don't really need the folding stock, either, except to get the bolt out without taking the cheek piece off. And you don't need a muzzle brake on a .308. Get the AE, and there's nothing wrong with the fixed stock 24" barrel version.</div></div>Graham, we RARELY agree-but you are absolutely correct on this issue!!!

(what's the world coming too! ) </div></div>LOL! I won't argue with you this time.

I like my other rifles, but if I had to choose one it would be my 24" AE MK I. It's still my main match rifle, too.

In my opinion, there's no equal for value: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...193#Post1894193

 

[Jer]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If only I was a millionaire, I would buy one of each!

A lot of good info in this thread.

A pertinent question for those who have used both:
How does Sako's bipod compare to AI's, or an Atlas on an AI? I really like the look of the design, the one TRG I got a chance to shoot had a Harris on it though. </div></div>

Atlas > *

 

[W54/XM-388]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

When I got my AW, I got the original AI bipod to go with it, while it was well built, I found it a bit too loose when I was trying to go for groups. I put on a Harris S bipod with the podloc attachment and for target shooting on a flat surface that worked a lot better.

 

[samnev]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fuscalino</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Both great guns, Ive had both and the TRG stock fit me better. Both shot the same, cleaned the same, cost about the same when all was added, in fact they are very similar. AI probably more rugged, but few people on this forum will know that, go speak to somebody who carries 1 for a living to confirm that. TRY both before you spend, they are peas in a pod but 1 will feel right (more right than the other). You will not be dissapointed by either or feel shortchanged by either, they are as good as it gets and very few people shoot up to either rifles potential. Good luck with your choice. </div></div>
I own a TRG 22 and before I bought it tried both it and the AIAW out. TRG fit me better and was and is just as accurate as the AIAW. Comparing prices with the same equipment and a NF 8-32X56 NXS the TRG was $2000 cheaper. Perhaps if I was in combat I might choose the supposedly more ruggred AI but my shhting is limited to 600 yards on a rance and therefore the ruguedness of the 2 is a moot point. As for FUGLY each person has his /her own idea of beauty. I prefer the looks of the TRG. From EuroOptics, bipod $450, brake $190 magazines $185, at least that's what I paid.

 

[Bacarrat]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If only I was a millionaire, I would buy one of each!

A lot of good info in this thread.

A pertinent question for those who have used both:
How does Sako's bipod compare to AI's, or an Atlas on an AI? I really like the look of the design, the one TRG I got a chance to shoot had a Harris on it though. </div></div>

Atlas > * </div></div>

Word. The Atlas bipod is the shit!

 

[Lt. Arclight]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

Jonathan @ SRT supply is GOOD TO GO. I just purchased an AI AE MKII in 308- 24" fixed stock in Dark Earth.

 

[desertHK]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If only I was a millionaire, I would buy one of each!

A lot of good info in this thread.

A pertinent question for those who have used both:
How does Sako's bipod compare to AI's, or an Atlas on an AI? I really like the look of the design, the one TRG I got a chance to shoot had a Harris on it though. </div></div>

Atlas > * </div></div>

Word. The Atlas bipod is the shit! </div></div>

Is that a "good" shit, or "bad" shit?

 

[3PER]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lt. Arclight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You'd still be very far from an AW. And you don't need an AW. You don't really need the folding stock, either, except to get the bolt out without taking the cheek piece off. And you don't need a muzzle brake on a .308. Get the AE, and there's nothing wrong with the fixed stock 24" barrel version.</div></div>Graham, we RARELY agree-but you are absolutely correct on this issue!!!

(what's the world coming too! ) </div></div>LOL! I won't argue with you this time.

I like my other rifles, but if I had to choose one it would be my 24" AE MK I. It's still my main match rifle, too.

In my opinion, there's no equal for value: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...193#Post1894193

</div></div>

That's a nice deal on that AI. I was able to find a local Hide member with a NIB TRG-22 for quite a bit less than that, including 200 rounds of FGMM 175 gr.

 

[JoeSmith]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

I rarely shoot a Harris off the TRG, there is virtually no comparison to a factory Sako. Several inches of height between the factory and a Harris' center of balance. On a factory bipod, the barrel hangs below the hinge points (where the legs rotate). You may never go back once you've shot factory.

 

[Jer]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I rarely shoot a Harris off the <span style="font-weight: bold">TRG</span>, there is virtually no comparison to a factory Sako. Several inches of height between the factory and a Harris' center of balance. <span style="font-weight: bold">On a factory bipod, the barrel hangs below the hinge points</span>. You may never go back once you've shot factory. </div></div>

Wha?

 

[3PER]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

I think he likes the Sako bipod.

 

[Tucsondave]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

I don't think crying over either of these rifles is necessary.

 

[ADT]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

You cry when you realize ahhh shit I still have to put a scope on it

 

[3PER]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ADT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You cry when you realize ahhh shit I still have to put a scope on it </div></div>

Good one ADT. I'm crying because the NXS 5.5-22x56 with the new High Speed turrets are still at least 2-3 weeks away!

 

[Lt. Arclight]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3PER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ADT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You cry when you realize ahhh shit I still have to put a scope on it </div></div>

Good one ADT. I'm crying because the NXS 5.5-22x56 with the new High Speed turrets are still at least 2-3 weeks away! </div></div>

I'm not. There is a S&B PMII 5x25 milrad double turn GENII waiting to go on my new AE MKII.

 

[3PER]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

Congrats on what should be an awesome setup, Lt.

 

[Lt. Arclight]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

Seriously-CALL Jonathon (SRT Supply on this site) absolutely GTG.I notified him via PM and within 12 hours he had located EXACTLY what I wanted at a price I couldn't refuse.

If it weren't for my ffl fax not beating UPS the gun would have went out today-I'm talking about less than 2 hours.

Outstanding!

 

[Vin]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

Amen to that brother. I have a Trg 22 that will outshoot a custom .308 that cost much more any day of the week.

 

[KiwiShtr]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

I have just recently make the big buy and got the best I could. I went with the AIAW in 300wm, I know not the calibre your after. But same design. I cannot fault anything on this rifle, It feels like nothing Ive handled before and will last longer than I will. Everything feels solid as a rock.
I buy like you, get the very best I can afford so I dont look back.
They do cost a bit more, but like you said buy once cry once. I can safely say you wont regret it.

 

[SRT_Supply]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lt. Arclight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seriously-CALL Jonathon (SRT Supply on this site) absolutely GTG.I notified him via PM and within 12 hours he had located EXACTLY what I wanted at a price I couldn't refuse.

If it weren't for my ffl fax not beating UPS the gun would have went out today-I'm talking about less than 2 hours.

Outstanding!</div></div>

Thanks!

I just PM'd you the tracking number-let me know how it shoots!

 

[Vin]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I rarely shoot a Harris off the TRG, there is virtually no comparison to a factory Sako. Several inches of height between the factory and a Harris' center of balance. On a factory bipod, the barrel hangs below the hinge points. You may never go back once you've shot factory. </div></div>

I hear ya there. I have a TRG 22 with the Sako bipod and I can shoot it much more accurately than a Harris. The AI bipod (actually Parker Hale) which I have have for my AI is not user friendly in my opinion. The Harris with a bipod lock works much better for me. This thread has taken a life of its own and its obvious opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. For the guy who said get an AI, TRG'S are "fugly". Thats a valid remark, wake up. Unless it's a work gun and its issued anyway, for the most part shooting it on a range or using it in competitions ie: where someone is not shooting back both will suffice more than enough. Both rifles serve countries as their primary sniper wpn and are built as such from the ground up. For me I can shoot the TRG more accurately because the stock fits me better, thats just me, does that make the AI inferior, absolutely not, its my opinion and not anybody elses.

 

[bm11]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

Hard decision here!

I am leaning heavily towards the TRG still, because for my uses, it seems to be a better value, especially considering the trigger.

I did recently recieve an interesting offer though- an APA built badger action in an AICS 1.5, with a Bartlein stainless barrel. How do you guys think that would compare?

 

[Simon Templar]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

If you can, try them both and see with one you like more, there is always one that will "attract" you more = go with that one.

 

[ChrisF]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?


I look at it like this , you will 1st buy a good 308 rifle and then maybe a 338LM , and even if you donot , I would still reccomend the AW over everything else .

I would buy a 2.0 AW in any barrel lenght you like and call it done , in 338LM , I would lean towards a TRG-42 .

In a 308 SWS you will want quite a few mags , so the AW mags are cheaper & better & easier to load , I had a TRG-21 once that would not feed out of a brand new factory mag and was not impressed with that at all.

In a 338LM , you donot need as may mags , also I like the TRG series best in this cal , mags are longer OAL than AWSM mags .

Short Answer get the AW , you know its what you realy want .

 

[stefan73]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

I haven't heard of anyone having feed problems from a TRG-22. I bought 4 mags with mine so I'll have a total of 5 mags!
When I take it to the range I'll let you know how they feed!
If you were near Fort Leavenworth I'd let you have a try at her to see if you like shooting her.

 

[jbell]

Re: Buy once, cry once... TRG-22 or AI AW in .308?

Bm11 I live in Maine, and am not sure if I met you this year at Capital City Rifle club or not. The person who I am thinking about was having the same thoughts as you. Anyway if you would like to get some more time w/ the TRG before you make your decision let me know. I have a TRG22 and would not mind to let you shoot it and look it over as much as you would like. I realy like mine and had the same problem as you before buying mine. I made my decision after shooting both rifles at Ft. Benning a few years ago , the AW is kickn but just didnt fit me as well as the TRG. I hope this helps. PM me if you would like to check mine out (Im not sure how to do this PM thing on here so leave me some kind of contact info). If any one esle up here in Maine would like to help this guy out and has a AW or an AE that would be willing to let him try it out it would be cool to get both rifles side by side for him. Good luck w/ you new rig, by the way I like your choice on cars ... I didnt have the funds for the M , I have a 330ci.