Can an LWRC REPR barrel last 20,000 rds as they cl

[300WSM]

so I'm reading up on the LWRC REPR. They claim the barrel will last 20,000 rds!!!

some info from lwrc...

The barrel to receiver interface is almost three 3mes more robust than any other rifle. Barrels
are cold‐rotary hammer forged over a precision mandrel and boast perfect bores that are
consistent in concentricity 0.0002”. The barrel is finished machined in profiles to maximize
accuracy and minimize the adverse effects of barrel whip and harmonics. A target crown is used
to maximize hit probability. The barrel is finished in the NiCorr surface conversion process.
NiCorr is harder than chrome and offers a lower co‐efficient of fric3on adding to barrel life and
muzzle velocity. It makes the barrels easier to clean as they do not foul with copper as readily
and are virtually impervious to corrosion. The material chosen for the barrel is the same used
on the M2 .50 caliber machine gun.



All R.E.P.R.s have high tolerance cold hammer forged barrels made from 41V45 steel, ultra‐rigid
receiver to barrel interfaces and free‐floa3ng hand guards. This makes them capable of very
high accuracy with appropriate match quality ammuni3on.

 

[300WSM]

Re: Can an LWRC REPR barrel last 20,000 rds as they cl

Although R.E.P.R. is designed to cycle with a broad spectrum of ammuni3on, it is
op3mized for use with heavy bullet loads. With a 1‐in‐10 inch rate of rifling, the
barrels are designed to stabilize heavy bullets up to 190 grains. The design
ammuni3on is M118LR Match ammuni3on with the 175 grain Sierra Match King
bullet. The factory recommends the use of this ammuni3on or similar loads such as
the Federal Gold Medal Match (GMM) and Black Hills 175gr Match. It is suggested
to use ammuni3on with bullets heavier than 168 grains for peak accuracy. M80 Ball
and equivalent will not realize the true accuracy poten3al of the R.E.P.R.

 

[300WSM]

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I can't find exactly where they state it in writing but I have been told that and I did see it written somewhere.

 

[CST]

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if thats true...i dont believe their piston system will last anywhere near that from the ones I've seen go down.

 

[300WSM]

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ones you've seen go down? do tell

 

[BCP]

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I seem to remember a test where a group of M24 bolt guns were fired 10k rounds and some maintained their accuracy throughout the test.

20k? I doubt it but who knows. 308 isn't exactly a barrel burner.

 

[K_4c]

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not sure about the REPR (as I only have 415 rds down the tube) but my M6A2 has roughly 6k down the pipe and is still shooting great... if you don't believe me check out Guns and Ammo and Jeff Gonzales write up on this rifles.


LWRCInternational’s TR ICON rifle is the ultimate
5.56-chambered combat carbine. Teaming with Jeff
Gonzales, former U.S. Navy SEAL and president of
Trident Concepts (www.tridentconcepts.com), LWRC
presents a piston-driven M6 featuring mission-critical
accessories and wearing flat dark earth.

“Using LWRC M6 rifles in our training, we
were achieving high round counts,” says
Gonzales. “After 12,000 rounds without
cleaning, one of these rifles had a small
spring break. We replaced it and decided
to keep the round count going, again without
cleaning it. By 19,000 rounds we were
very impressed...at that point we actually
performed our first precision shooting
evaluations. With the same rifle, we were
shooting sub-MOA groups.”

 

[KillShot]

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I can't speak for the REPR but I know the POF rifles will last 20,000rds.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">What is the normal use barrel life of the POF barrels?</span>

You can expect to get at least 20,000 plus rounds out of our Nitrate heat treated case hardened barrels. All of our barrels are over 2x’s harder then mil spec and hammer forged barrels. We know of a few weapons that have 40,000 plus rounds through them, and still no need to replace the barrel.</div></div>



Source -POF-USA

 

[300WSM]

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I'm sure the rest of the rifle will make it past 20k rds with some of the tests I've seen done on them. But I'm talking about the barrel only.

I guess my thought has always been that around 7k (308) on a precision built bolt gun something like a gap with one of the typical precision barrels they use...and even that was a stretch.

 

[19Scout77]

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J- You will NEVER get any decent info on the REPR via this or any other forum. As new and as expensive as the REPR is--all you will find are FANBOYS who need to justify the fact that they just dropped more than $3k on a factory rifle--- or NAYSAYERS who do not have one nor never will and feel the very idea of a $3k AR pisses them off so bad that they will do whatever they can to further internet BS and condemn a platform with which they have ZERO experience.

As far as the REPR is concerned--you are better off the trailblazer than the follower.

 

[KillShot]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">J- You will NEVER get any decent info on the REPR via this or any other forum. As new and as expensive as the REPR is--all you will find are FANBOYS who need to justify the fact that they just dropped more than $3k on a factory rifle--- or NAYSAYERS who do not have one nor never will and feel the very idea of a $3k AR pisses them off so bad that they will do whatever they can to further internet BS and condemn a platform with which they have ZERO experience.

As far as the REPR is concerned--you are better off the trailblazer than the follower.

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I don't wanna hijack the thread but I would like to reply to that comment. I don't know anything about the REPR because I've never had the opportunity to handle or fire one. However, I do find it difficult to believe that the REPR is $1000 better than the POF P-308. I understand the REPR has a Geissele 2-stage trigger and Magpul PRS stock but, where's the other $500 going?

Bottom line, if you like your rifle, piss on what everyone else says or thinks about it. What matters is how YOU like it and how well it performs for YOU.

Have fun with your REPR, I'm sure it's an awesome piece of hardware.

 

[19Scout77]

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Your most tell-tale statement was your admission that you HAVE NEVER HANDLED A REPR. You cannot even begin an intelligent discussion of any rifle without some measure of actual experience. Certain intangibles such as fit/finish, tolerances and overall feel cannot be divined via your keyboard and mouse.

I have no intention of debating LWRC v. POF. Both are great platforms. But in the effort towards a thorough discussion of the facts, there are quite a few features that IMO justify the price difference. Geissele trigger, prs stock, Troy BUIS. And those are just the easily quantified. Now what is a non-reciprocating side-charging handle worth to you? How about a 4 position gas block? Maybe the ambi bolt release is of some benefit?

I suggest you get a little trigger time behind whatever rifle you seek to debate.

 

[BCP]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your most tell-tale statement was your admission that you HAVE NEVER HANDLED A REPR.
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I've shot them, they're nice. I still think the REPR is in the "I have the money, that's what I want" category though.

They are 3500+ around here with a 16" barrel and a VLTOR stock. Pretty big jump over a 2500-2800 POF (which isn't a cheap rifle by any means).

I know one guy who paid 4k for his when they first came out...

 

[dbransco]

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To be fair, LWRC REPRs generally sell in the neighborhood of $3,000 to $3,400 and that is for the 18" and 20" models with UBR and PRS stocks. I don't doubt that someone paid $4,000 for one and I have personally seen them listed for ridiculous prices; however, they are inflated. I am sure someone has paid that for a POF, LaRue, or LMT too? I recently purchased a new 18" for $3,000 and I have a co-worker that purchased the same gun for $3,200 (both from dealers). The apples to oranges comparisons really erk me; it would be like saying a Kia is better than a Porsche…….. In my opinion, you get a lot of extra accessories with the REPR for a marginal increase in cost that you don't get with comparable platforms.
Sorry to be off-topic; I have very few rounds through my REPR, so I cannot contest to whether or not the barrels will last 20,000 rounds; however, I do strongly feel that if LWRC states that they will last 20,000 rounds, and yours does not, they will make it right! I speak from experience, their CS is worth the extra initial cost.

 

[KillShot]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your most tell-tale statement was your admission that you HAVE NEVER HANDLED A REPR. You cannot even begin an intelligent discussion of any rifle without some measure of actual experience. Certain intangibles such as fit/finish, tolerances and overall feel cannot be divined via your keyboard and mouse.

I have no intention of debating LWRC v. POF. Both are great platforms. But in the effort towards a thorough discussion of the facts, there are quite a few features that IMO justify the price difference. Geissele trigger, prs stock, Troy BUIS. And those are just the easily quantified. Now what is a non-reciprocating side-charging handle worth to you? How about a 4 position gas block? Maybe the ambi bolt release is of some benefit?

I suggest you get a little trigger time behind whatever rifle you seek to debate.


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I wasn't debating anything. It was a question as to why there's a significant price increase over the POF and you answered my question.

As for the side-charging handle, it's something I wish POF adopted. As for the rest of the add-ons that increase the price of the REPR, that makes sense. If POF added the PRS, Geissele, and Troy BUIS then it would be just as pricey.

 

[krecon1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">J- You will NEVER get any decent info on the REPR via this or any other forum. As new and as expensive as the REPR is--all you will find are FANBOYS who need to justify the fact that they just dropped more than $3k on a factory rifle--- or NAYSAYERS who do not have one nor never will and feel the very idea of a $3k AR pisses them off so bad that they will do whatever they can to further internet BS and condemn a platform with which they have ZERO experience.

As far as the REPR is concerned--you are better off the trailblazer than the follower.

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I don't agree with this - I've have tried to give unbiased info on my REPR, both positive and negative. My "magazine failure montage" video drew some heavy flack, but I also wanted to get potential buyers aware of issues they may have after dropping $3k on a rifle. I posted up about 20min of video going over the REPR and some of the features of it that make it different from other AR10/SR25 platforms.

I don't consider myself a "fan boy" though I do own numerous LWRC rifles. If there's a problem with a system I'll advise others - I have also advised that LWRC customer service has been excellent in terms of getting known issues fixed.

Be glad to answer any questions on the REPR....

 

[19Scout77]

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Krecon- <span style="text-decoration: line-through">You stated above that you have a grand total of 415 rounds through your REPR. With all due respect, that is about 3-4 good days of shooting. I question whether that renders your experience with the platform sufficient to "answer any questions" but since you offered</span>: Sorry about the mis-id.

How well does you REPR shoot 900 yards plus?

What level of load development have you undertaken? If any what are your results?

How about speed? What shooting have you done over a chronograph? Have you had any problems reaching satisfactory velocities?

 

[K_4c]

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that was me making that comment....as for trigger time with the Repr I've had enough range sessions with it to get a good understanding of the system and feel fine taking an 800m shot on an IPSC target. Please don't refer to me as a "fan boy" as I have done my time overseas and continue to stay active in the shooting world.

 

[Hogstooth]

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Ok Scout, calm down, its just the internet!! No need to keep getting upset, kind, gentle, giant!!

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!! I'm bored so thought I would come check things out for a sec.

As for the REPR, I had a student come thru my last class with one, and he lives here local to me. The first time I got to play with it was at the 1000yd line at Quantico R4, and he had Fed GM 168gr.

Now, it says from what someone else posted that is liked the heavier bullets, I shot an 11x17 IPSC steel target, and once I confirmed that the zero was somewhat close. Hit the plate withing 5 shots and hit 5 for 5 at that distance with the 168's.

Fast forward a month or so to my class which this gentleman attended, he and I rode down together so we got to talk quite a bit on the ride down to NC. He told me the piston system wasn't working and something was wrong with the rifle, I took a look when we got down there and couldn't figure it out. I don't have alot of experience with the gas piston systems and there isn't much to one so I just chalked it up to lack or improper maintenance. That was correct, the piston system was cloged with tons of copper and carbon fouling, but I am not sure how many rounds that were put thru the rifle at to cause the malfunction.

He and I set up the range on friday and shot his rifle a little bit, he had all Fed GM 168gr ammo and the rifle was a complete tack driver at 100yds. A great plus was even though the rifle was down it was awesome to not have to move from the rifle to cycle the action with the charging handle on the side. All I had to do was reach up and charge the next round, didn't even have to come off the gun at all. Very convienent and practical, esp if you are in the military or LE where if your gun piston system goes down you still have a way to charge the rifle and keep the systme running.

When he got back from the course he called LWRC and sent it in and they replaced the entire upper but there were a couple of other things that they found with that particular upper where it was wearing the upper reciever pretty good.

That is pretty good customer service but I would expect that being that the price is pretty steep. We will have to see how his new upper shoots and then I will give it the GTG!!

 

[19Scout77]

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What's up Little? Rest assuured I am far from worked up over this one. With the exception of the 168s, your students experience is similar to mine regarding accuracy. If things pan out with my REPR, I'll be running it up at Reade in the Spring.

K4C- At no time did I refer to you at all, let alone as a "fanboy". My post was intended for krecon1, not you. I incorrectly attributed your "415 rds" to him.

The point I was making remains the same. There is very little worthwhile feedback on the web regarding this platform.

 

[Hogstooth]

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His rifle was a complete tack driver with the 168's, even at 1k and it has a 20" barrel. I was very impressed with the performance and accuracy, I didn't think I was gona like the charging handle on the side but it really was great since the gas system was kaput. Gota go desert calling my name!!

 

[jerseymike]

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Having shot a REPR, I can say that its worth the price. 5 rounds in a fist tight group at 1000 yards.

I really do appreciate the ambi bolt release. A lot of thought has gone into the design of the REPR.

 

[300WSM]

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anyone try 155 scenars etc in their 1 in 10 twist repr?

 

[dmg308]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300WSM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">anyone try 155 scenars etc in their 1 in 10 twist repr? </div></div>

Not Scenars but we shot Hornady 155 TAP (AMAX's)and they shot great in my friends 2o".Scenars may be a bit more tricky especialy if you can't load them for a short jump.