Night Vision can anyone tell me anything about this scope

[42769vette]

D-830 2.5-10x56 Generation 3 Advanced Day/Night System: Night Vision Goggles, Rifle Scopes & Monoculars

Ive been wanting to get into NV for a long time, but I know very little about them. I've been offered this as a trade, but cant find a lot of info on it which makes me nervous. What would be the used value of such a item? I want to make sure I'm not buying the Countersniper of NV.

 

[Delta4-3]

Not the route I would take. There is a reason none of our prominent manufacturers make setups like that. What is your main use going to be? That will help a lot in determining what will best fit you're needs.

 

[42769vette]

Hunting, and learning the ins, and outs of NV.

 

[42769vette]

Its made by Siler, apparently us made??

 

[Delta4-3]

While I havent used one labelled the same as that, I have used one that I strongly believe to be made on the same machines by the same people and relabeled. I don't think you'd be getting stiffed or be really unhappy with it for that price, I think you could do better and get a lot more versatility for close to the same price point, depending on what you are trading. I.e. Pvs-14.

My issue with that particular unit is twofold. One is the lack of versatility. The other is the effects of the rifle/shooter relationship.(I made that phrase up, so take it for what it is) first of all, it compromises your shooting position by adding significant length to the scope, forcing you to move your head back. You also need your eye right up on the eyepiece, which for something with recoil isn't terribly comfortable. Lastly, that setup can play tricks on you if alignment changes at all. Meaning, you may shoot it one night and it's hitting 2 inches higher than your daytime zero. You take it off and reinstall it the next night and and it's putting rounds 6" to the 5o'clock.

Anyway, you would enjoy it, but if you look hard enough you could find a 14 for similar money and have the ability to head mount it, which is a billion times better for scanning, target acquisition, and navigation. You could also mount it just like the one you linked, or you could run it in conjunction with a Red dot sight, shoot a handgun with it....and on and on.

I hope that helps, and by the way, I'm no expert, just a hobbyist. Someone more knowledgeable may jump in here and let you know that it's the finest contraption made.

 

[42769vette]

While I havent used one labelled the same as that, I have used one that I strongly believe to be made on the same machines by the same people and relabeled. I don't think you'd be getting stiffed or be really unhappy with it for that price, I think you could do better and get a lot more versatility for close to the same price point, depending on what you are trading. I.e. Pvs-14.

My issue with that particular unit is twofold. One is the lack of versatility. The other is the effects of the rifle/shooter relationship.(I made that phrase up, so take it for what it is) first of all, it compromises your shooting position by adding significant length to the scope, forcing you to move your head back. You also need your eye right up on the eyepiece, which for something with recoil isn't terribly comfortable. Lastly, that setup can play tricks on you if alignment changes at all. Meaning, you may shoot it one night and it's hitting 2 inches higher than your daytime zero. You take it off and reinstall it the next night and and it's putting rounds 6" to the 5o'clock.

Anyway, you would enjoy it, but if you look hard enough you could find a 14 for similar money and have the ability to head mount it, which is a billion times better for scanning, target acquisition, and navigation. You could also mount it just like the one you linked, or you could run it in conjunction with a Red dot sight, shoot a handgun with it....and on and on.

I hope that helps, and by the way, I'm no expert, just a hobbyist. Someone more knowledgeable may jump in here and let you know that it's the finest contraption made.

You have given me more info than Ive found in a day of searching the net. I appreciate your time sir.

BH photo's site says its made by Night Optics USA. I called them, and they had never heard of it, and told me Morovision makes it. I called Morovision, and they said Night Optics USA makes it. I called another company who sells them and said Siler makes it. Im starting to believe 1 place actually makes them and puts a bunch of brand names on the same product.

 

[ncorry]

Also called the Aurora 8010, the ITT-F7201 and Vision Master VM56. Have played with the one from Litton a bit. As for the recoil statement Delta made, the one I looked at had an eye cup that was about 1 3/4" long. Shot it on a single shot 45/70 and it wasn't a problem. As for the shooting position pointed out by Delta, the neat thing with this set up is the NV eye piece replaces the day scope's eye piece that is the same length. So, the cheek weld position on the stock doesn't change. It's not like adding a PVS14 to the rear lens of a day scope. The one I got to play with had no problem seeing a 12 inch white piece of steel at 400 yards on a 1/4 lit night. Very likely would've gone longer if the range did. For $1,800, I'd say it's a good deal. But, not the best multi-purpose set up. But, if you've got one deer rifle that you want to take night hog hunting from a stand, it'd work damn well.

 

[42769vette]

Also called the Aurora 8010, the ITT-F7201 and Vision Master VM56. Have played with the one from Litton a bit. As for the recoil statement Delta made, the one I looked at had an eye cup that was about 1 3/4" long. Shot it on a single shot 45/70 and it wasn't a problem. As for the shooting position pointed out by Delta, the neat thing with this set up is the NV eye piece replaces the day scope's eye piece that is the same length. So, the cheek weld position on the stock doesn't change. It's not like adding a PVS14 to the rear lens of a day scope. The one I got to play with had no problem seeing a 12 inch white piece of steel at 400 yards on a 1/4 lit night. Very likely would've gone longer if the range did. For $1,800, I'd say it's a good deal. But, not the best multi-purpose set up. But, if you've got one deer rifle that you want to take night hog hunting from a stand, it'd work damn well.

I found alot more info on the Aurora 8010 (alot of it by questions you ask about 10 months ago)

I know this is relative to conditions, but what would you say the average max range is? The turret is marked ITT, so I would say it is the older thread on version? That wont be a issue for me as Ill probably use it on a Bobro mount, and leave it as a dedicated NV unit.

 

[CTM1]

Never heard of the D830 so I cannot speak to it. I am thinking that it is a clone of what has already been mentioned above. If it is in fact made by Seiler than I would feel fine making the deal provided it has a Gen 3 tube.

I can further the discussion based on my personal experience with the other units mentioned above.

As a former owner of a McMillan VisionMaster 2-10x56mm, a VisionMaster 6-16x80mm and as current owner of another 2-10x56mm from Aurora (made by Seiler) all Gen 3 I can say they are much easier to use than a monoloc and a PVS14 coupled to the back of a traditional scope. Yes, a PVS14 makes for a better all around NV option but that is another discussion. The quick connect device of the scopes I mentioned that allows you to swap out the day module for the night module is real slick. The down side is that I found that I needed additional IR light unless night conditions were optimal. With that said the addition of the IR light actually made nailing yotes etc much easier because of eye shine and I can assure you that they had no issue with the IR light.

ncorry is correct while the NV module adds a little more length as compared to the day module it is insignificant, so your cheek weld is not really impacted. I do not know why Delta4-3 said it did. Also the rubber eyepiece gives more than enough distance between your eye and the scope, so no worries about getting a half moon over your eyelid or on the bridge of your nose.

As far as POI I never experienced any issue with the repeatability of the modules. Why would they? They are mounted to the back and behind the crosshairs.

If the unit your looking at requires you to thread the day/nv modules onto the back of the scope that might prove to be a pita, think cross threading at night. If it is using the QD system of the Seiler etc than no worries.

If the unit has a Gen 3 tube in it for $1,800 is not a bad deal at all.

 

[42769vette]

Never heard of the D830 so I cannot speak to it. I am thinking that it is a clone of what has already been mentioned above. If it is in fact made by Seiler than I would feel fine making the deal if it is has a Gen 3 tube.
I can further the discussion based on my personal experience with the other units mentioned above.

As a former owner of a McMillan VisionMaster 2-10x56mm, a VisionMaster 6-16x80mm and as current owner of another 2-10x56mm from Aurora (made by Seiler) all Gen 3 I can say they are much easier to use than a monoloc and a PVS14 coupled to the back of a traditional scope. Yes, a PVS14 makes for a better all around NV option but that is another discussion. The quick connect device of the scopes I mentioned that allows you to swap out the day module for the night module is real slick. The down side is that I found that I needed additional IR light unless night conditions were optimal. With that said the addition of the IR light actually made nailing yotes etc much easier because of eye shine and I can assure you that they had no issue with the IR light.

ncorry is correct while the NV module adds a little more length as compared to the day module it is insignificant, so your cheek weld is not really impacted. I do not know why Delta4-3 said it did. Also the rubber eyepiece gives more than enough distance between your eye and the scope, so no worries about getting a half moon over your eyelid or on the bridge of your nose.

As far as POI I never experienced any issue with he repeatability of the modules. Why would they? They are mounted to the back and behind the crosshairs.

If the unit your looking at requires you to thread the day/nv modules onto the back of the scope that might prove to be a pita, think cross threading at night. If it using the QD system of the Seiler etc than no worries.

If the unit has a Gen 3 tube in it for $1,800 is not a bad deal at all.

I appriciate your comments. Im not concerned with the POI problems that could happen. This is going on my coyote AR, and Ill have a day scope on a Bobro mount, and this scope on a Bobro mount (always in NV configuration) as a dedicated NV unit. I might play with it in the day just for grins, but Ill sight it in with the NV attachment and leave it as a NV scope.

 

[mcmillanman5]

My Dad has one of these scopes though his marked ITT on both the scope body and the NV box. He has had his for several years and has really liked it. His is spot on regardless of wether it is being used day or night, I have personally shot it with zero impact shift switching the occular lense to the NV box. No problems with cheek weld here either like delta experienced. I will also echo what ctm1 said about needing some extra IR light on dark nights. We have shot my dads at 500 yards with supplemental ir and get hits on 12" plates no problem.

A few other things to add; the lenses on may dads are coated and during day use the scope has a slight green color. Also the turrets are MOA while the reticle is a first focal plane mil dot. My dad payed 3k for his several years back, I don't think he has any regrets with it. Remember you are getting a scope and 3rd gen NV, granted the scope is no S&B but my dads dials and tracks straight. For the price you mentioned I think seems reasonable to me. Hope that helps.

 

[Delta4-3]

Seeing the other guy's comments, some of whom I know are knowledgeable NV dudes, I may be confusing this unit with something similar. I hope I didn't mislead you.

 

[42769vette]

Seeing the other guy's comments, some of whom I know are knowledgeable NV dudes, I may be confusing this unit with something similar. I hope I didn't mislead you.

Not at all sir. I was about ready to give up, because I wasnt being lead anywhere by researching. Every comment gave me more info to look up, and got me closer to finding the info I needed.

I pulled the trigger on it. I think this will be plenty good enough for me to see if the NV world is something I will want to dive into before dropping tons of money.

 

[42769vette]

My Dad has one of these scopes though his marked ITT on both the scope body and the NV box. He has had his for several years and has really liked it. His is spot on regardless of wether it is being used day or night, I have personally shot it with zero impact shift switching the occular lense to the NV box. No problems with cheek weld here either like delta experienced. I will also echo what ctm1 said about needing some extra IR light on dark nights. We have shot my dads at 500 yards with supplemental ir and get hits on 12" plates no problem.

A few other things to add; the lenses on may dads are coated and during day use the scope has a slight green color. Also the turrets are MOA while the reticle is a first focal plane mil dot. My dad payed 3k for his several years back, I don't think he has any regrets with it. Remember you are getting a scope and 3rd gen NV, granted the scope is no S&B but my dads dials and tracks straight. For the price you mentioned I think seems reasonable to me. Hope that helps.

Very helpful. If I can take a yote at 400 yds Ill be a happy camper.

 

[42769vette]

I just got the scope and played with it. Taking a Yote at 500 yds will not be a issue (barring operator error). Banging steel at 200 yds suppressed was the coolest thing Ive done in a long time. I have absolutely no doubt there are much better units on the market, but for my intro into NV I think I did very well. I sighted in in the daylight, and switched to NV with no POI shift. I doubt I use that particular rifle in the day anymore.

Thanks for all the help folks. I would not have pulled the trigger without you guys.

 

[mcmillanman5]

Glad to hear you are happy with it!

 

[dethfmafar666]

Have you tried the AN/PVS-22 or 24?

 

[42769vette]

Have you tried the AN/PVS-22 or 24?

No sir I have not. This is my first NV unit. Ive messed with it one night, and havent had a chance to get it back out since.