Rifle Scopes Canted reticle in Vortex Razor ** UPDATE**

[LSOSGT1109]

Well I just got my 10FP out and looked through the Razor and noticed that the reticle looked canted really bad to the right. I thought maybe it was just me so I checked the bubble level and then checked that with a level. The rifle and scope are definately level and the reticle is canted to the right! I had this rifle at the range 2 weeks ago and it wasn't canted then! I've made no adjustments and everything is still torqued down tight! What could have caused this? I'll be contacting Vortex in the morning and I'm sure they'll make it right! Here's a pic. The rifle and scope are level.

 

[Jon A]

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It would give us a better look if you removed the BC caps and took the pic from farther away (lower power for more eye relief) so we could see the turrets and reticle in the same pic.

 

[LSOSGT1109]

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Thats the best I could do with the camera I had. The lense cap is just twisted. I made sure the rifle and scope were level before I took the pic so the cant you see in the reticle is actually the way it is.

 

[clmayfield]

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If that scope is, in fact, level, the reticle looks to be canted over 5 degrees. Definitely send it back. First, I would level the scope on a flat surface and check with a plumb bob. What method did you use to mount the scope to the rifle? The feeler gauge method? It looks like the scope is not level to the rifle, but with it that far off, it should be visible to the eye.

 

[LSOSGT1109]

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I took the scope off the rifle and just held it up and looked through it. It's obvious that the reticle is severely canted. I just don't know how it happened. Like I said, it wasn't that way when I put the rifle back in the safe after my last range trip.

 

[Powder_Burns]

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Look through it and work the power/focus rings left and right, see if the reticle dances around. Do that with the turrets too, although it is obvious your scope needs servicing due to the canted reticle, might be useful to determine if anything else is loose or is affecting it.

 

[clmayfield]

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I imagine if you send it back to Vortex, they will check it very thoroughly if they don't give you a new one. They are known for their excellent customer service, especially to Hiders. I would just given them a call tomorrow and send it in.

 

[VortexSam]

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Hi KSP,

Sorry to see that happened to your scope. We'll certainly take care of it for you if there is something wrong.

Just give us a call tomorrow morning and ask for customer service. The number is 1-800-426-0048.

Let me know if I can do anything else to help you.

-Sam

 

[DogboneS]

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Which reticle style? EBR-1,2,3?

 

[One_Man]

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I had this issue with a $200 Vortex Crossfire. I am surprised to see this on a $2000 scope, send it back.

 

[strick9]

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But you gotta love the response by Sam, CS at its best, Good on you Sam.

 

[LSOSGT1109]

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I agree STRICK, I knew Sam would chime in! I'm not at all disappointed with this scope or with Vortex. Nothing in life is perfect, it's how the company deals with imperfections that matters most to me.

 

[LSOSGT1109]

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Oh and to answer the other question, it's the EBR 2.

 

[LSOSGT1109]

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Just to update, I called Vortex this morning and explained the problem. Without question they emailed me a fedex shipping label and said to drop it off at fedex and they would take care of it with about a 2 day turn around time once they received it!

 

[GrimmRoper]

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Dude, sorry to hear about the scope, but what a GREAT FREAKING COMPANY!!!

They jumped in the post before you even called them and offered to take care of it. I have got to give mad props to Vortex. Good job Sam!

Thanks for looking out for us!

-Nate

 

[LibertyOptics]

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Keep us posted, please.

Scott

 

[LSOSGT1109]

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Scope left FEDEX headed to Vortex today.

 

[scott1119]

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Thats one of the reasons I went with the Vortex viper, Great optice, great cs, great company

 

[rundm]

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When are those pst's coming out? I would really like one and I know that I will be at the back of the line. With customer service like that, how could you not want to go with something from them?

 

[elkkid3]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rundm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When are those pst's coming out? I would really like one and I know that I will be at the back of the line. With customer service like that, how could you not want to go with something from them?</div></div>

June.

Vortex's customer service has really impressed me.

 

[mm509]

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Cant agree more about the superb job Vortex is/has done with thier customer service. I own multiple optics from Vortex and other manufacturer's, and by far Vortex is the best. They are willing to answer any questions, even if they may be stupid questions. It seems they will bend over backwards to make right by thier products. Service like this is what has made me a lifetime owner of Vortex products.

 

[LSOSGT1109]

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I just received a PM from Scott at Vortex. He said my scope was received yesterday at Vortex and my new one was shipped out to me yesterday afternoon! Yes that's right, a NEW one! No questions asked as to how it happened or what I was doing with it when it happened, just sent a new one out to me! You absolutely cannot beat that customer service! All of my optics from now on will be Vortex!

 

[hoguer]

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I can understand everyones appreciation for high quality customer service, and know a LOT of companies these days are lacking in that department in MAJOR ways, but i cannot understand why you are saying you are dedicated to a scope brand specificaly due to the service, and on your purchase of their #1 MOST EXPENSIVE product and it COMPLETELY fails, but they send you a new one, you say you will use nothing else? how much did it cost in time to mount and level your scope properly? how about time to the range, ammo, gas and everything else involved with getting your first scope sighted in, and now you have to repeat? I know if i went out and purchased one of the new Toyotas with the stuck gas pedal, drove it a few days and almost wrecked because the pedal stuck, and when i went to the dealer they offered me a new vehicle, i would surely take the new one, but would not be buying any other new vehicles from them unless they compensated me (as in discount/free upgrades/etc) that i felt my time had NOT been wasted. I personally have not had any problems w/any Vortex i have owned so far, but if my 2k scopes reticle came loose, i would have it replaced and be done with the brand. Just a thought...

 

[mm509]

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ffhogue, It is not just a matter of a $2k scope reticle coming loose. I purchased a Vortex spotting scope and the eyepiece cap didnt fit very well. I emailed Vortex and Julie (from Vortex) emailed me back within 2 hours, in her email she just wanted to know what my address was so she could get me a replacement cap that would work better. The replacement cap showed up within 3 days of my 1st email. Customer service along with top notch products along with taking what the customer says and putting it all into one...........Thats why I am a Lifetime Vortex supporter. I would be even more of a supporter if the PST came out early and surprised everyone.

 

[Chiller]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ffhogue</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can understand everyones appreciation for high quality customer service, and know a LOT of companies these days are lacking in that department in MAJOR ways, but i cannot understand why you are saying you are dedicated to a scope brand specificaly due to the service, and on your purchase of their #1 MOST EXPENSIVE product and it COMPLETELY fails, but they send you a new one, you say you will use nothing else? how much did it cost in time to mount and level your scope properly? how about time to the range, ammo, gas and everything else involved with getting your first scope sighted in, and now you have to repeat? I know if i went out and purchased one of the new Toyotas with the stuck gas pedal, drove it a few days and almost wrecked because the pedal stuck, and when i went to the dealer they offered me a new vehicle, i would surely take the new one, but would not be buying any other new vehicles from them unless they compensated me (as in discount/free upgrades/etc) that i felt my time had NOT been wasted. I personally have not had any problems w/any Vortex i have owned so far, but if my 2k scopes reticle came loose, i would have it replaced and be done with the brand. Just a thought... </div></div>

I would ask you to name one manufacturer that has not had a failure (Counter Sniper excluded and humor intended).

I have said this before and I will say it again. We are all human and as such we will all make mistakes. The mark of the man is how we deal with those mistakes. If a reticle had a problem the problem has been solved. A zero stop had an issue and amends were made. S & B, Nightforce, US Optics, etc they have developed a following for these very issues that they turn into opportunities.

If not this brand then I would ask what brand you would go with that will not fail?

 

[Chiller]

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As a point of clarification I have had a NIB Nightforce F-1 with a DOA zero-stop. The resolution is they solved it and made it right.

A pair of Vortex Binoculars that I dorked and messed up (I screwed up) and they made it right.


Good companies doing good things. What more can you ask?

 

[alpha6164]

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I am very impressed with the customer service but then again, it doesnt give me a warm fuzzy feeling to know that their premier top of the line scope had a massive failure such as that.

I would like to actually hear more from Vortex as far as what was the failure? A zero stop not working is one thing, but a failure such as this makes the scope/rifle pretty useless. I am have been waiting anxiously for the PST line but when i see something like this it just gives me a nervous feeling.

And not to beat a dead horse, but i am a busy guy and time is money. As anal as i am installing my scope, taking to the range with a plum line to get it leveled, ammo to zero in, etc i would be pissed if i had to do it all over again on a $2000 scope.

Maybe i have not been around long enough but i have never seen a failure like this from NF, S&B, US Optics.

 

[LSOSGT1109]

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The Razor is a fairly new scope and I know there have been some minor issues. As far as I can tell Vortex has quickly resolved these issues and more than satisified most of the affected customers. I doubt that you will find any scope manufacture, USO, S&B, Nightforce, ect, that haven't had some failures along the way. It's how these companies deal with these failures that speaks volumes about the companies. Vortex paid for the shipping back to them, they didn't ask the first question as to what I might have done to break the scope, they didn't speend days or weeks to see if they could repair my scope, they just shipped out a new one the same day they received my broken one! I don't know what else you could ask for in a company! Now if I continued to have problems with this new scope then maybe I would consider jumping ship but I don't forsee that being a problem. I predict that we will see Vortex becoming a very tough competitor to the other top brands because of their top notch customer service, quality product, listening to what their customers want, and very competitive prices!

 

[Chiller]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alpha6164</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am very impressed with the customer service but then again, it doesnt give me a warm fuzzy feeling to know that their premier top of the line scope had a massive failure such as that.

I would like to actually hear more from Vortex as far as what was the failure? A zero stop not working is one thing, but a failure such as this makes the scope/rifle pretty useless. I am have been waiting anxiously for the PST line but when i see something like this it just gives me a nervous feeling.

And not to beat a dead horse, but i am a busy guy and time is money. As anal as i am installing my scope, taking to the range with a plum line to get it leveled, ammo to zero in, etc i would be pissed if i had to do it all over again on a $2000 scope.

Maybe i have not been around long enough but i have never seen a failure like this from NF, S&B, US Optics. </div></div>

I agree with everything you have said and I assure you I understand the time/money relationship very well. That being said I suspect if you lurk around longer you will find failures of varying degrees from all of the top flight manufacturers.

It is a mechanical device and as such it will fail.

 

[alpha6164]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KSP446</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I don't know what else you could ask for in a company! </div></div>


And i hope you dont take offense, but what i like to ask is for a $2000 scope to just work. That is all. It is not a big request. I wouldnt bat an eye if it was their crossfire series or some $100 scope from another manufacturer. What if this was a duty scope where people's lives depended on it? Vortex is trying to compete with the big boys by making a $2000 scope that on paper has all the goodies to make it attractive. Either the scope was rolled out prematurely, or there are other issues that we dont know yet. But i have seen way too many threads even about "small" issues for this $2000 scope. That is my 2 cents.

 

[Chiller]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alpha6164</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What if this was a duty scope where people's lives depended on it? </div></div>

Like a Mark IV?
KAC SR-25?

Shall I continue?

 

[alpha6164]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alpha6164</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What if this was a duty scope where people's lives depended on it? </div></div>

Like a Mark IV?
KAC SR-25?

Shall I continue? </div></div>


LOL, lets not even talk about Leupy. Notice i did not mention it as the top three. And this is a question and not a challenge, but can you point to when the last time NF, USO or S&B had a catastrophic failure such as this?

 

[Chiller]

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My point was in reference to you comment of failure of equipment with people in harms way.

Both the Mark IV and the SR-25 are used by our forces in harms way. Form the storied and colorful accounts they appear to have a significant failure rate by people who arguable need them to work with a much higher reliability than you or I do and as such I was pointing out the fallacy of your argument.

 

[alpha6164]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Both the Mark IV and the SR-25 are used by our forces in harms way. Form the storied and colorful accounts they appear to have a significant failure rate by people who arguable need them to work with a much higher reliability than you or I do and as such I was pointing out the fallacy of your argument.
</div></div>


There is no fallacy in my argument. We all know that Leupold of today is not what it used to be and they have a higher rate of failure. So if an agency/operator is not wise enough to perform due diligence to get the best and most reliable product then that is their problem.

This doesn't mean that just because Leupold makes a less than desirable product today that you can come in and do the same when you are a brand new player to the scene. The only reason Leupold is selling what they sell now is because of the name they carry and the die hard fans reminiscing about the good old times. If they were a new player, with their current features set, failure rates and current prices, they would selling the numbers they are selling now.

 

[One_Man]

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At some point a company cannot rely on outstanding customer service to carry the business. There must be quality products behind that company to sustain market share. You can guarantee a POS all you want, that doesn't mean people will buy said POS just because when that POS breaks, they know it will be replaced.

That said, I have to give Vortex props. They are doing an outstanding job listening to their customers wants and needs bringing those products to market. They have a lot riding on the PST and I am hoping that they iron out all the kinks before releasing it to the public.

 

[rossneder]

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I had a Razor with the click value not in spec.

They did as all of you said and replaced the scope assuring me that I was mistaken and that there was no problem.

I'm not going to argue and don't intend to get in a pissing contest about who was correct, but I returned it and have moved on to another manufacturer.

OTOH, there is a lot to like about the scope, clicks and turret design are the best I have used.

Ross

 

[clmayfield]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KSP446</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just received a PM from Scott at Vortex. He said my scope was received yesterday at Vortex and my new one was shipped out to me yesterday afternoon! Yes that's right, a NEW one! No questions asked as to how it happened or what I was doing with it when it happened, just sent a new one out to me! You absolutely cannot beat that customer service! All of my optics from now on will be Vortex!</div></div>

What did I say? I wonder if there is now a refurb Razor available for cheap?

 

[rkgsmith]

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Not to jump the subject but how is the glass compared to something like a Leupy MK4. Im interested in the PST line and like the reticle, almost like the TMR.

 

[buffybuster]

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I think perhaps there is an unrealistic expectation of the total absence of any defects. Consider that anything made by man or anything made by a machine made by man will fail at some point.

Consider also <span style="font-weight: bold">if</span> a company has the Quality Standard that 99.9% of all products will meet all performance specifications. That sounds like a very high standard (and it is) but in other words, that means 1 of 1000 units will be "defective" in some form. W. Edward Deming commented that it is not cost effective to pursue absolute zero-defect policy, since it is inevitable that defects will find there way through the cracks, no matter how tight.

Take that and consider the economies of scale; I don't know how many Razors, Vortex has had manufactured but as an analogy consider Toyota's situation with millions of vehicles and how many of them potentially have defective pedal assemblies....

Defective products are inevitable, how the companies stands behind and handles the situation is what's really important.

 

[hoguer]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mmedearis509</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ffhogue, It is not just a matter of a $2k scope reticle coming loose. I purchased a Vortex spotting scope and the eyepiece cap didnt fit very well. I emailed Vortex and Julie (from Vortex) emailed me back within 2 hours, in her email she just wanted to know what my address was so she could get me a replacement cap that would work better. ...........</div></div>

I am not talking about a scope cap not fitting, im talking about the Lambo of their product lines motor blowing. Like i said, i have had Vortex scopes and have not had a problem to date, but if i had one of my USO scopes fail on me, i would be shy to the brand for a while until i saw some improvement. Like many people have said, and i agree with, customer service is a great thing, but where is the line drawn? And like i said, my time is money, and i always include it into my ideas (i pay to have my lawns cut because the $150 a month it costs me, and the 16 hours i save on the yard work, i can make 3-4 times that working) If time is not a object to you, then replacing a broken scope is not a big deal....

 

[sobrbiker883]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alpha6164</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What if this was a duty scope where people's lives depended on it? </div></div>

Well, first off you left Leupy out of your top three, but I guara-f*cking-tee you there are WAY more Luepy's filling the role of "duty scope" in this country than probably all of what we 'hiders consider "top tier" scopes combined.

That being said, the thing I'd like to see done with a Leupy unfortunately never happened (something about jasonk, a sidarm pitch and an elk in a lobby comes to mind) but I digress.......

If this was a duty scope the canted reticle would have been noticed probably the first time the rifle was on the range with the scope.


Everything breaks and the way a company takes care of it is a big part of the equation. ffhogue-get enough of them and you will see a USO that needs to go back. I love USO as a company, and I run their scopes almost exclusively, but I am realistic about mechanical devices.

I'm glad the OP is getting a replacement, Vortex is on top of their game CS wise, and its great to see vendors like SWFA and Liberty that go the distance as well. We have a lot of good stuff to choose from from alot of good people these days. Too bad Leupy is behind the times, they're losing this niche of the market quickly. I think their new line will be a dollar short and a day late by the time it gets out.

KSP446-thanks for sharing, and thanks for the update!

 

[LSOSGT1109]

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Well I would agree that if a company builds POS scopes but stands behind those scopes every time they break and replaces them at no cost to the customer that would be very undesirable to shooters. However, I think there are probabaly some pretty smart people at Vortex that realize it would get pretty expensive to give away a $2000 scope everytime one of them breaks! I think they are probably pretty confident that they are building a quality product and they're not gonna have to give too many of them away!

No porblem sobrbiker883, I'll update again when the new scope arrives!

 

[McKinneyMike]

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If these types of "defects" continue, Vortex will suffer in the market, regardless of CS. I for one think that they are doing a fantastic job so far and fully intended to give the Viper PST a shot with my new build, The Razor;s are just outside of my comfort range and demands. The PST's look like that they will be perfect for my style of shooting and useful performance. Kudo's to Vortex.

 

[alpha6164]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: buffybuster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Consider also <span style="font-weight: bold">if</span> a company has the Quality Standard that 99.9% of all products will meet all performance specifications. That sounds like a very high standard (and it is) but in other words, that means 1 of 1000 units will be "defective" in some form. </div></div>



You are making an assumption that Vortex in this short time has sold 1,000 of the razors equaling $2,000,000.00 I would be more than surprised if they have sold 100 which means $200k. So if we assume that i have come across five individual people that have had issues with their Razors that make it unacceptable such as this canted reticle, clicks out of specs, etc. So if we go by that that is a 5% failure and not 0.01%. Again, i may be completely talking out of my ass on the numbers sold but that is my guestimate.

And once again, i will probably order one of the PSTs, so this is not a Vortex hate thing. I just cant understand people jumping up and down and clapping because the company replaced a $2000 defective scope. That is what they are supposed to do.

 

[Bacarrat]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alpha6164</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I just cant understand people jumping up and down and clapping because the company replaced a $2000 defective scope. That is what they are supposed to do. </div></div>

+1

Some companies are judged by a different set of standards on the Hide. Now if it was some other scope manufacturer, you will have your normal cast of characters coming out the woodwork to start the bashfest.

 

[clmayfield]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alpha6164</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I just cant understand people jumping up and down and clapping because the company replaced a $2000 defective scope. That is what they are supposed to do. </div></div>

+1

Some companies are judged by a different set of standards on the Hide. Now if it was some other scope manufacturer, you will have your normal cast of characters coming out the woodwork to start the bashfest.</div></div>

+1 on that. Obviously, Vortex CS is top of the line. I sent my scope to another manufacturer without issues asking for the clickers to be replaced and they were no questions asked. There are certainly biases here... but that doesn't mean Vortex does not have top shelf customer service.

Scopes, bipods, rifles, rings, anti-cant devices, etc., etc. break. Usually this happens in few instances, but if you are the one who it breaks on, yes, you tend to get gunshy. I wonder how much customer loyalty is built on switching from a brand that the shooter had a failure with? Like what if KSP466 decided "screw it, I am going with Leupy." It is probable that he would not have issues with his Leupold scope and he would walk away thinking Leupold is more reliable than Vortex. And in his experience, he would be right, though he might not actually be right. Which is why we see all of these holy wars about reliability and durability.

Things break and I like the way that Vortex is very proactive about fixing issues.

 

[LSOSGT1109]

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The new scope arrived today! Apparently Vortex paid for Saturday delivery! I'll post up some pics when I get it mounted up! Thanks to the guys at Vortex!!!

 

[Benjamin_Breeg]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: buffybuster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think perhaps there is an unrealistic expectation of the total absence of any defects. Consider that anything made by man or anything made by a machine made by man will fail at some point.
</div></div>

Exactly. I am an engineer for a medical device company. Our products fail. They fail safely but they fail. You could probably make products that never fail, but your costs would soar exponentially. People expecting perfection have never worked in new product development or manufacturing.

 

[netranger6]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alpha6164</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I just cant understand people jumping up and down and clapping because the company replaced a $2000 defective scope. That is what they are supposed to do. </div></div>

+1

Some companies are judged by a different set of standards on the Hide. Now if it was some other scope manufacturer, you will have your normal cast of characters coming out the woodwork to start the bashfest.</div></div>

No shit. This thread would be 7 pages deep by now if it was a PR.

 

[Supersubes]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alpha6164</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alpha6164</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What if this was a duty scope where people's lives depended on it? </div></div>

Like a Mark IV?
KAC SR-25?

Shall I continue? </div></div>


LOL, lets not even talk about Leupy. Notice i did not mention it as the top three. And this is a question and not a challenge, but can you point to when the last time NF, USO or S&B had a catastrophic failure such as this? </div></div>

Cant point out the last one. Collectively, the above named scope makers have produced thousands of defective scopes, or scopes that failed during normal use.

My USO had two separate issues in the first two months of owning it. One was the fault of the builder and the other was a defect missed by QC. Both issues fixed. 3 years have passed and that scope still rocks, not a hiccup.

Alpha,
If it's taking you more than a few minutes to mount a scope, your doing some thing wrong.