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Out of respect in my area. When necessary, I will hand my driver's license, insurance, and my LTC to the officer.So under the aspect of carrying your weapon there's "Duty to Inform". I tend to travel through several states so I read up on what my "requirements" are for each state. I'll make note of the states that require you to inform the LEO you have a weapon. I will not inform in states were the law is clear I'm not required to inform unless asked.
I've read were people always state they are carrying while in their vehicle when their state law clearly says they don't have to yet they inform out of "respect".
Are you more likely to not inform as allowed by law, or do you inform out of consideration/respect for LEO??
Out of respect in my area. When necessary, I will hand my driver's license, insurance, and my LTC to the officer.
Never inform unless asked
Last time I got pulled over my insurance card and registration was buried under 3 rifles. State Trooper said don't worry about proof of insurance. I believe didn't want to deal with the hassle of having to clear/secure everything, especially when its all on his computer.Out of respect in my area. When necessary, I will hand my driver's license, insurance, and my LTC to the officer.
I'm not saying your thoughts are wrong, but if it's NOT required in your area by law.....why do it?? Cause if you didn't need to pay taxes.....you know you WOULD NOT pay taxes.
You are correct but I still will keep my mouth shut unless asked!Just remember some states REQUIRE you to inform regardless of being asked/or not by LEOs.
ReNickulous told me he’s leaving. I guess you won’t get to exercise the FuckOuttaHere Feline.You know, I'm all for people expressing their opinions. I'm all for people imbibing in whatever alcoholic beverage floats their boat (except whiteclaw, that's some ghey ass shit). I'm all for people wanting to burn the candle at both ends, with a "devil may care" attitude and mindset. Hey, everyone needs to drunk post in the middle of the day sometime, right? (No, not really, but stick with me here, I'm almost to the good part.)
But when folks make comments, and allude to taking out law enforcement personnel, in the pursuit of their deluded, adolescent, Rambo'esque fantasies...the staff here are going to step in and say "Knock this shit off."
So. Do I really need to say it? ....Do I?
Texas now has permitless carry, AKA, "constitutional" carry. technically, I would not need my LTC anymore. But I just renewed it. To get it cost me some class time in law and tactics, a range test, and a fairly extensive background check. So, when I go to transfer a firearm at a local FFL, it takes less time.I'm not saying your thoughts are wrong, but if it's NOT required in your area by law.....why do it?? Cause if you didn't need to pay taxes.....you know you WOULD NOT pay taxes.
Is that your tough guy voice?@Ronws
For reference on TX:
Sec. 411.205. REQUIREMENT TO DISPLAY LICENSE. If a license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license holder's person when a magistrate or a peace officer demands that the license holder display identification, the license holder shall display:
(1) both the license holder's driver's license or identification certificate issued by the department and the license holder's handgun license; and
(2) if the license holder's handgun license bears a protective order designation, a copy of the applicable court order under which the license holder is protected.
Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 10.01(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1997. Amended by Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 62, Sec. 9.17(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1999.
Amended by:
Acts 2009, 81st Leg., R.S., Ch. 1146 (H.B. 2730), Sec. 12A.02, eff. September 1, 2009.
Acts 2021, 87th Leg., R.S., Ch. 203 (H.B. 918), Sec. 4, eff. September 1, 2021.
Don't confuse when a person is carrying and just walking down the street to when an officer has requested your ID. Two different situations...
Is that your tough guy voice?
The question was if you have a duty to inform when being detained by a police officer. The statute you state is different. If a police officer asks for an LTC, that is different, legally, than just offering that information outright. Even a student in law school could understand that.
Now, with constitutional carry and no need to have an LTC, the officer could ask for it and not get it because it does not exist for that person. Then what?
I never said to not tell a cop you are carrying. In fact, if you read my post more carefully instead of looking for a fight, you will see that my inclination and training is to present my LTC with my driver's license and insurance at a traffic stop.
Lol, been there done that. I hate when you pass a truck over a hundred and you see out of the corner of your eye Sheriff painted in ghost letters on side of truck.God I miss Texas. I was coming back from Midland Odessa to Fort Hood on my Crotch rocket, absolutely hauling ass (trying to avoid the tornado and black sky behind me) Saw the road open only a really nice f250 I was doing 120 in a 65, the f250 was a sheriff. I pulled right over for him, handed him my license and chl told him I was trying to get back to base before this storm catches up, I told him my insurance card was in my wallet which was right were I was carrying my glock 26. He watched me as I slowly reached for it gave him that, then told him nice truck btw. He came back from his truck, asked me how I like the glock 26 because he wants to get one for his wife since she has baby hands (I think that was an insult), then we shot the shit he told me to slow it down to about 90, and to do the speed limit before I hit I think it was San Antonio area (because the cops are real assholes during fiesta time) lol.
You took your free time to go sit in a class for however long, then more time for required range training, then went through a more thorough background check to (Save time) at an FFL?Texas now has permitless carry, AKA, "constitutional" carry. technically, I would not need my LTC anymore. But I just renewed it.To get it cost me some class time in law and tactics, a range test, and a fairly extensive background check. So, when I go to transfer a firearm at a local FFL, it takes less time.
At the time I got the LTC, it was advised to hand that to a police officer during a stop with your driver's license and insurance card. I see the drag queens in Roanoke had a "family friendly" drag show where men in women's clothing who like lots of butt sex danced erotically for the children. And their security was literally antifa soldiers carrying AR-15s in single point slings. Police were there and let them carry their arms as per rights. And did not card one of them.
I am still in the habit of carrying the card and concealing somewhat my pistol. IWB holsters never agreed with me. I have an OWB paddle holster and I wear a large fishing shirt over it and my regular t-shirt. Probably print at times but most people have never said anything or even noticed.
When I am hunting, I am wearing a backpack that rides where my pistol would normally sit. I carry my rifle across my arms or slung on a shoulder. And my pistol in a tactical thigh holster, so, obviously open carry. But when I leave, I switch back to my OWB paddle holster under a long coat.
How does that save time at an FFL? The FFL makes 1 phone call and its either proceed or not.
That was not the only reason and you know it. Or, I hope that you would know. My apologies if you don't know history and law and changes in law. Let me educate you.You took your free time to go sit in a class for however long, then more time for required range training, then went through a more thorough background check to (Save time) at an FFL?
How does that save time at an FFL? The FFL makes 1 phone call and its either proceed or not.
Wrong, yet again. But I am going to follow my mother's advice about negative side-effects of arguing. You go ahead and have the last word.Guess your sensitivity meter is dialed up a BIT to high. Calm down why don't you, instead of jumping into the hurt feeling pool.
I live in Kansas, If you have a state issued carry permit, you fill out the 4473, and you are good to go.........the FFL does not need to call it in, so it does save time. I am sure Kansas is not the only state that does this.You took your free time to go sit in a class for however long, then more time for required range training, then went through a more thorough background check to (Save time) at an FFL?
How does that save time at an FFL? The FFL makes 1 phone call and its either proceed or not.
No, I dont know all the details. And I havent kept up with any of that stuff. In Louisiana, we can carry without any license if we are a Veteran. I was simply asking about your claim that it saves time at an FFL. It seems you spent way more time with the other things you went through than to save an FFL a couple minutes of a phone call. Im not talking about any other details, im just talking about (time saved, vs time spent) in other areas of your license.That was not the only reason and you know it. Or, I hope that you would know. My apologies if you don't know history and law and changes in law. Let me educate you.
When I got the LTC, we did not have constitutional carry. If you wanted to carry concealed or open, you needed to get it. Having the easier time at an FFL was a side-effect of it, not the main reason.
Also, I have seen people without an LTC (in the before times) have to wait longer for a driver license to scan and come back. Pure and simple fact. No, it is not the greatest hardship. Just a thing.
Actually, even if that was the only reason, I would probably still do it. But it was a side effect. Back in the 80's, I was armed for security work and needed a state commission to carry a firearm. So, that time, I took the training, test, and background check because it was part of the job. True, showing my commission card at an FFL went easier then, too. Again, a side-effect.No, I dont know all the details. And I havent kept up with any of that stuff. In Louisiana, we can carry without any license if we are a Veteran. I was simply asking about your claim that it saves time at an FFL. It seems you spent way more time with the other things you went through than to save an FFL a couple minutes of a phone call. Im not talking about any other details, im just talking about (time saved, vs time spent) in other areas of your license.
Part of me thinks that even if it had not been required here at the time, it might have still been worth the time saving. I have more than one firearm. And yes, waiting is not the greatest hardship. Others who have been blessed to always have constitutional carry just don't understand and I am just a little too tired to argue anymore with people who want to argue or "be the expert." I will let them go ahead and beat the expert.I live in Kansas, If you have a state issued carry permit, you fill out the 4473, and you are good to go.........the FFL does not need to call it in, so it does save time. I am sure Kansas is not the only state that does this.
The easiest way I could explain it is this...Actually, even if that was the only reason, I would probably still do it. But it was a side effect. Back in the 80's, I was armed for security work and needed a state commission to carry a firearm. So, that time, I took the training, test, and background check because it was part of the job. True, showing my commission card at an FFL went easier then, too. Again, a side-effect.
I am not sure what other things you think I am spending way more time on and why you think I was wasting time with the LTC class back when it was required. But I am done debating and teaching. Following my mom's advice about arguing....
Taking the course to help solidify your grasp of local firearm and defensive shooting laws cannot ever be regarded as a waste of time. Everything else is a perk.No, I dont know all the details. And I havent kept up with any of that stuff. In Louisiana, we can carry without any license if we are a Veteran. I was simply asking about your claim that it saves time at an FFL. It seems you spent way more time with the other things you went through than to save an FFL a couple minutes of a phone call. Im not talking about any other details, im just talking about (time saved, vs time spent) in other areas of your license.
True, and it does speed up the transfer process. A nice perk I did not expect and no one told me about until I went to buy a handgun 5 years ago. Last time I bought a handgun was in the 80's and it had been a while. So, when I went to get the handgun, it only cost me about 15 or 20 minutes while they ran my driver's license. It was a weekday in the middle of the day in Grand Prairie, Texas at Shoot Smart.Taking the course to help solidify your grasp of local firearm and defensive shooting laws cannot ever be regarded as a waste of time. Everything else is a perk.
Hahaha! I think it’s like two gay women buying dildoes, and one of them already has a bunch at home. Same thing, right?The easiest way I could explain it is this...
You want to go grocery shopping.. You decide to go grocery shopping on Thursday. But in order to save time grocery shopping on Thursday, you go on Wednesday and buy everything except what you actually need. So Thursday rolls around and you go grocery shopping and buy the things you need and are glad you saved time on Thursday by doing shopping on Wednesday and Thursday.
Sure, if you think it saves time lolHahaha! I think it’s like two gay women buying dildoes, and one of them already has a bunch at home. Same thing, right?