Suppressors CGS MOD9 vs RUGGED Obsidian 45 or 9?

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Never shot a CGS pistol can, but I can say that I went with the Rugged Obsidian 45 because it's light, and super strong. It's even rated for 16" .350 Legend, .44 Mag, and .45-70 Gov't. That's a strong pistol can! And the modularity of it was a big plus. Also, rumor has it (never tested myself, so I can't say 100%), that the Obsidian 45 on a 9mm is quieter than most other 9mm specific cans on 9mm pistols... That's what some folks have claimed from their tests...

I have no idea about POI shift comparison, since I haven't shot that many pistol cans.

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So now looking at pew science they rate the long mode 8.6” Rugged Obsidian 45 w/45 end cap as only 1.7 lower than the CGS MOD9

At the ear the obsidian 45 is rated 3 points better in long and short modes. Interesting it’s rated 3 points / 8% better in short mode than the CGS at the ear.

Obs 45 Short mode Weight is lighter 10.7 OZ 6.7” vs 10 oz 7.7” CGS
Obsidian at Ear is quieter But at the muzzle is much louder

Now I’m leaning towards the Rugged Obsidian 45. If I could find a discount on the CGS that would probably clinch my decision.
 
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I have the oculus and obsidian 45 and have shot it on 9 and 45. Also have an obsidian 9 in jail. I have fired a 45 through a 9mm end cap and had a new one to my door in a week. Can’t say for the other one you are looking at but rugged stuff is top notch as well as their customer service in my opinion.

I have a surge and radiant in jail too so I am obviously a fan of their stuff.

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Jackjam said:
I have the oculus and obsidian 45 and have shot it on 9 and 45. Also have an obsidian 9 in jail. I have fired a 45 through a 9mm end cap and had a new one to my door in a week. Can’t say for the other one you are looking at but rugged stuff is top notch as well as their customer service in my opinion.

I have a surge and radiant in jail too so I am obviously a fan of their stuff.

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did they charge you for the replacement 9mm end-cap?
How much quieter is this obs45 with the 9mm end cap?
 
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I only paid for the first one. Their warranty is the best. The 9mm end cap makes a noticeable difference to me. With fiocchi 158 it’s very quiet. I shot it wet one time and it was crazy quiet but the mess wasn’t worth it.

It would be funny for a movie to accurately portray Hollywood quiet and show the actor with black shit all over their face when they fired.
 
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I honestly don't think you'll be dissapointed with the Obsidian 45... The modularity, sound suppression, weight, strength, warranty, and customer service of Rugged is hard to beat for $699...

Unless you can find one in stock, I'd jump on the Backorder bandwagon at SS. First come, first serve, and they said they're getting more in all the time.

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Luckily one of my LGS's has the Obsidian 45 in stock and another has the Oculus 22 (Both SS verified and one has a kiosk) so I'm going to get both of those tomorrow and start my suffering. Also picking up a YHM Resonator R2 for my 5.56/.308/.300bo because why not? Buy once, cry once, right? Between those 3 cans I can suppress everything from .17hmr up to .300RUM/.300WM.
 
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Joeg26er said:
Which has less poi shift?
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My opinion. Two different tools for two different purposes.
The obsidian is a hard use can. itll take a beating. its heavier. the weight is distributed pretty evenly over the whole can.
Its a good can if you plan on using pistols and subguns. Buts more made for hard use, heavy duty firing schedule.
The CGS is one of the if not the best can you can get for a pistol. The first baffle is stainless to take the beating, than the rest of the baffles are aluminum. so its rear heavy. easy to point. great for a pistol. also good for subguns and what not but its not going to be able to take the same beating as the rugged offering. The Cgs Mod series also have something like a dozen different POI adjustments if its off at all. Really Intuitive.
Id suggest watching some youtube videos, theres some good comparisons out there. I a few weeks ago was deciding the same thing you are.
I went w/ both the CGS mod9 and the Cgs Mod9sk.
Silencer shop has them $565 for the Mod9sk and $585 for the Mod9. not bad for cans that retail for around $900.
Before you make a decision I suggest you at least watch this video.
 
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Here's a short write up on the MOD 9 I wrote a while back:

Originally Posted By paco ramirez:
To clarify some things for everyone, the Kraken and MOD 9 in both fullsize and SK size were designed to conform to SOF requirements/needs/wants for a part of the Ministry of Defence. That's where the MoD in the MOD 9 name comes from. They're purpose built for being the best at doing what the original user needed them to do in their intended applications. Same goes for most everything we make besides the Nautilus 45 and rimfire stuff, some features of which were derived from those other projects for the civilian market. The MOD 9 has a stainless steel blast baffle, and anodized 7075 T6 aluminum is used on the forward baffles for better balance on a handgun as you mentioned, and also for increased sound performance. By using anodized aluminum in the front end we're able to leave additional material on the baffle which increases sound reduction without increasing weight. If we were to make those baffles out of stainless steel and left all of that material on them to maintain the sound performance then it'd be way too heavy for it's intended use and balance would be off. If we made those baffles out of stainless steel and thinned them out and removed features to save some weight then we'd lose sound reduction. Everything is a trade off, even materials, and in the case of the MOD 9 when compared to a 100% stainless baffle stack all you lose is three extra cleaning methods on the forward baffles and get less full auto capability. And if you don't own a machine gun then at that point you're just losing three cleaning methods. Many people don't want to use the dip either since it can be dangerous, so that leaves you with ultrasonic and pin tumbling as the only thing you're losing.

If you don't want to use a soda blaster, then before using the silencer you can also coat the baffles in Bore Butter or welding anti spatter or a similar viscous nontoxic product and it'll make cleaning easier and a lot of the fouling will wipe off. All you have to do is knock off the chunks anyway, they don't need to be and shouldn't be perfectly clean. People often clean them too much and/or at intervals that are unnecessarily frequent. The anodized 7075 T6 aluminum used in the forward baffles is more than durable enough for multiple lifetimes. There's nothing wrong with your bore apertures and it's completely normal. Durability is not an issue at all.

Different materials have different uses, and since the MOD 9s weren't made for extensive full auto use there's zero reason to use stainless steel in them where it isn't necessary for their intended applications. While anodized 7075 T6 aluminum forward baffles aren't ideal for every single application (extended machine gun use) they're certainly ideal for most. The materials are chosen and used where they're used for very good reasons. So then a person just has to figure out whether they really care about having two extra cleaning methods or not, but people need to be realistic with themselves about whether having two extra cleaning methods is really worth losing sound reduction, better balance, and lighter weight. Some care, some don't. Some people want modularity, but it's also important to keep in mind that most people leave the silencer in one configuration or another and then leave it on a host and don't mess with the length change feature ever again, especially once the person starts buying more silencers. That doesn't apply to everyone, but it applies to most people. The original user didn't want a modular length feature, so MOD 9s aren't modular.

Long story short, the MOD 9, the materials used, and where the materials are used are more than adequate for most everyone and their uses, with exception being those people that really need/want the two extra cleaning methods while understanding the trade off, people that want a silencer for extensive machine gun use, or people that want and will use a modular feature. In the case of the Obsidian you can remove the front cap with the piston and it's compatible with Silencerco pistons, but that's not something most people will want to do long term anyway since the Silencerco pistons all have Osprey orientation slots which leak gas back at the shooter because of the imperfect O-Ring seal.

Paraphrasing @ikickhippies, after decades of aluminum silencers the only thing that's wrong with them is the internet.
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Originally Posted By paco ramirez:
The CGS Three Lug Mount is a unique design from others in the industry for a few reasons. The lug seating surface that the male lugs of the three lug adapter shoulder on are machined in a way that makes them perfectly perpendicular to the bore line. Normally three lug mounts are machined in those areas using an endmill and on occasion during machining that end mill can slip into or out of it's collet, meaning that one or two of the three lug seating surfaces will be on a different plane which causes a lack of perpendicularity which can cause a baffle or endcap strike. Our three lug mount eliminates the potential for machining errors which would lead to baffle or endcap strikes. It's also coated with S-Line which is the same thing we internally coat our rifle silencers with. It's super slick and a lot of the fouling wipes right off because it can't stick well in the first place. It also has a tight fit within the inner piston cage so that fouling won't be able to accumulate as much so when you want to go back and use it as a piston set up on a handgun the spokes won't have as much trouble getting through caked up fouling to get into battery with the spoke lock up area. You can see this as the mid band on the exterior of the three lug mount housing, and the design releases the gas from firing a round a bit further forward than some other designs. This is in contrast to other silencer three lug mounts which use just a piston and a spring with a rear cap that leaves a lot of open area where fouling can get caked on, particularly where the piston locks up and where it travels. Ours is a three piece design so that you can disassemble it with the same tool you'd use to disassemble the silencers front cap, allowing the end user to easily clean the system and replace O-rings when needed. On the exterior surface you have a 1" hex feature so you can easily install and tighten it to your silencer using a 1" wrench. The three lug whole design is made of nitrided stainless steel so it is very strong and has no issues with abuse.

The CGS Fixed Barrel Spacer can be used on fixed barrel hosts where you don't want to use a three lug mount, one such case may be when you want to rest the silencer on a surface during shooting for whatever reason, or if you want a lighter set up. It just replaces the spring in the assembly and when you screw the rear cap back on you'll notice the rear cap sticks out slightly more than it does when the spring is installed, this is to let the user know that the fixed barrel spacer is installed instead of the spring. The fixed spacer has six vent slots and twelve spokes engagements which means those slots can sit over the vents in the piston or they can cover them up. This may help with sound of first round pop on some host and ammo configurations, it's up to the user to experiment with it and see which they prefer for their set up. It's made of stainless steel instead of aluminum because you'll occasionally see some aluminum ones from other manufacturers which start to mushroom from the force of firing, our stainless steel spacer eliminates that issue. It's important to note that some manufacturers will offer "direct thread adapters" instead of, or in addition to their fixed barrel spacers. As an example of why you should always use fixed barrel spacers in combination with pistons instead of using direct thread adapters, note that a direct thread adapter doesn't engage with anything in the silencer and is just a simply shouldering on the silencer, while a piston and fixed barrel spacer combined engage inside the silencer where the spokes lock in rotationally. This means that when you use a direct thread adapter when you go to remove the silencer from the host firearm a lot of the time the direct thread adapter will stay on the barrel while coming unscrewed from the silencer, which is bad especially if your silencer was installed under a rail and now your only way to get that direct thread adapter off the barrel would then be to remove the rail so you can get at the stuck direct thread adapter. Where the piston paired with the fixed barrel spacer shines is that regardless of which direction you turn the silencer, the piston assembly is rotationally locked in place so the silencer will always come of the barrel as one complete unit without leaving anything behind.
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ETA - Just noticed you're the same guy from r/nfa so nothing new here that I haven't already given you.
 
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I have the Obsidian 45 and like it. It is a very well designed and manufactured suppressor. To be honest I’ve never done any test for POI shift, but then again I do not to shoot bullseye with it.
 
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Can anyone offer up some advice to a noob in the pistol can world? Just wondering if direct thread is the way to go or if I should look into the ez lok for my obsidian 45. It should be out of jail soon and I hear a lot of people talking about the can walking off, or using teflon tape. And most recently the GA ez lok. But seems like more money and more stuff to put on the pistol....adpaters mainly.
 
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BigBlastin300win said:
Can anyone offer up some advice to a noob in the pistol can world? Just wondering if direct thread is the way to go or if I should look into the ez lok for my obsidian 45. It should be out of jail soon and I hear a lot of people talking about the can walking off, or using teflon tape. And most recently the GA ez lok. But seems like more money and more stuff to put on the pistol....adpaters mainly.
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If you're going to be shooting a lot, then I suppose teflon tape might be a quick cheap replaceable fix. I like the Cam-Lok system, but haven't bought it for any of mine. I have thought about it though, as it would be much easier than swapping pistons around all the time between different pistols.
 
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