Gunsmithing Chads secret bedding sauce?

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months and months
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of research lead me to this ....


LORD® 406 Acrylic Adhesive
Product Information | Typical Properties | Convenience Packaging | Literature

LORD® 406 acrylic adhesive in combination with LORD Accelerator 19 or 19GB can be used to replace welding, brazing, riveting and other mechanical fastening methods. This adhesive system performs particularly well in low-temperature environments and applications that are subject to high impact or high peel loads.
LORD 406 acrylic adhesive, when mixed with LORD Accelerator 19 or 19GB, creates an adhesive system that bonds a wide variety of prepared or unprepared metals and engineered plastics. The adhesive system is specifically formulated to provide the highest impact and peel strengths available in a room temperature curing adhesive.
LORD 406 acrylic adhesive can be mixed with either LORD Accelerator 19 or LORD Accelerator 19GB. LORD Accelerator 19 improves the high temperature resistance of LORD 406 acrylic adhesive, and is available in off-white or black. LORD Accelerator 19GB allows precise control of the adhesive bondline thickness due to its content of glass beads. LORD Accelerator 19GB is available in off-white, red or gray.
Shelf Life

Shelf life is six months when stored below 80°F (27°C) in original, unopened container. For maximum shelf life, storage temperatures of 40-50°F (4-10°C) are recommended. If stored at these cooler temperatures, allow product to return to room temperature before using. Protect from exposure to ultraviolet light. LORD 406 acrylic adhesive is flammable. Do not store or use near heat, sparks or open flame.
Features and Benefits

• Versatile - bonds a wide range of unprepared metals with minimal substrate preparation; bonds difficult plastics such as XENOY®.
• Temperature Resistant - performs at temperatures from -40 to +300°F (-40 to +149°C).
• Environmentally Resistant - resists dilute acids, alkalis, solvents, greases, oils, moisture, salt spray and weathering; provides excellent resistance to UV exposure.
• Non-Sag - remains in position when applied on vertical or overhead surfaces, allowing for greater process flexibility.
 
#4
Re: Chads secret bedding sauce?

not used it yet... notice the ? in the title, It's used on the new polaris snowmobiles to bond the the chassis components together. ( highstress areas like chaincases etc) Has also been used many other places.
I have looked at their site and has some good properties and thought I'd toss it out there since so many have tried to unvail his "secret sauce"..oh and where are chads pictorials lately.(which I miss)

shilling? nice!!lmfao You must be a half empty kinda guy
 
#6
Re: Chads secret bedding sauce?

Given some reference I recall to "boiler repair", I suspect this limited temperature range would rule this out as "Chad's Secret Sauce".

• Temperature Resistant - performs at temperatures from -40 to +300°F (-40 to +149°C).

Not to say it couldn't/wouldn't work as a bedding material.

OTOH, given the myriad of <span style="font-weight: bold">proven </span>materials, I'm not sure why not just use one of those?

 
#8
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bluewalker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">back to the drawing board....crap </div></div>
Of course you know, even if you had the part number from the manufacturer and the exact SKU number from the supplier, Chad isn't going to acknowledge that you guessed it right.
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#9
Re: Chads secret bedding sauce?

Huntsman, Henkel, and Lord all make some interesting products if one has a need to avoid Devcon. Prior to selecting one of them, it is important to understand what material properties are important to a quality bedding job. Hint: appropriateness for boiler repair or snowmobile construction does not automatically infer superiority for rifle stock bedding.
 
#10
Re: Chads secret bedding sauce?

I don't know what Chad uses but I bedded my last stock with something that I have been using for years in collision repair.

3M 8115 Panel Bonding Adhesive this shit is bomb proof, I have used it on everything over the years. It is designed for replacing body panels on cars ect. It is basically a high tech JB weld. I have a Automix Dispensing Gun that mixes the material in a tip.

U can bake it at 150 deg to speed up set time.
 
#11
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Nothing short of Space-Shuttle Ceramic Tile adhesive is good enough for my sticks. After a week or so on the Shuttle, with the steady Duty of Door-Gunning, not to mention 'proning out' on the cargo bay doors (Do you have any idea how hard it is to get prone in a space-suit?) and practicing 'movers' on defunct AND foreign satellites, one ABSOLUTELY NEEDS to have the garundamntee'd best for the stresses of Re-Entry.

Not only are the heat factors and extreme, but the G-Forces are at a near 'intolerable' level.

Only the best will do....
 
#12
Re: Chads secret bedding sauce?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bluewalker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">• Non-Sag - remains in position when applied on vertical or overhead surfaces, allowing for greater process flexibility. </div></div>

That part right there tells me it's NOT EVEN CLOSE to the stuff he uses. I was present during a bed job and that ain't what this stuff does.
 
#13
Re: Chads secret bedding sauce?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bluewalker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">not used it yet... notice the ? in the title, It's used on the new polaris snowmobiles to bond the the chassis components together. ( highstress areas like chaincases etc) Has also been used many other places.
I have looked at their site and has some good properties and thought I'd toss it out there since so many have tried to unvail his "secret sauce"..oh and where are chads pictorials lately.(which I miss)

shilling? nice!!lmfao You must be a half empty kinda guy</div></div>

I'm not half empty, you just have to realize that when you come in here with three posts and just start dumping info- especially with a bare minimum of context- that people are going to wonder what exactly it is that motivates you. Make sense?

I understand what it is that you are trying to guess, but I know i'm not the only guy who wonders WHY a 3 post lurker is bothering with trying to guess what material a master smith uses for bedding. A skilled craftsman can make an inferior product run circles around a better product applied by an idiot.
 
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This thread smacks of asshattery and fail.

Out of respect for a great smith who openly shares a LOT with everyone here I offer that wild conjecture about a proprietary mixture thats part of how he makes his living is mildly insulting.

And this is your 3 post career on the hide? I detect troll account.
 
#16
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Im willing to bet that Chad could use JB wled and still get a better bedding job that alot of hacks out their.

Somtimes its not the "secret sauce" but the man doing the cooking

stop worrieing your soft little head and stick with Devcon Steel putty
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im willing to bet that Chad could use JB wled and still get a better bedding job that alot of hacks out their.

Somtimes its not the "secret sauce" but the man doing the cooking

stop worrieing your soft little head and stick with Devcon Steel putty </div></div>

Ding- anyone can throw some ingredients in a bowl, takes a master to make it into an amazing event!
 
#18
Re: Chads secret bedding sauce?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im willing to bet that Chad could use JB wled and still get a better bedding job that alot of hacks out their.</div></div>

Bingo. If you were to give Chad's magic mud to one of us mere mortals and force him to use some random tube of hardware-store crap pulled from a drawer in my shop, his work is still going to be far superior to mine.

Unless someone can come up with a damn fine reason why Devcon or Marine-Tex does not work for them, and then describe what properties they would prefer, then this is simply an exercise in mental masturbation.
 
#19
Re: Chads secret bedding sauce?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bluewalker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">months and months
wink.gif
of research lead me to this ....


LORD® 406 Acrylic Adhesive
Product Information | Typical Properties | Convenience Packaging | Literature

LORD® 406 acrylic adhesive in combination with LORD Accelerator 19 or 19GB can be used to replace welding, brazing, riveting and other mechanical fastening methods. This adhesive system performs particularly well in low-temperature environments and applications that are subject to high impact or high peel loads.
LORD 406 acrylic adhesive, when mixed with LORD Accelerator 19 or 19GB, creates an adhesive system that bonds a wide variety of prepared or unprepared metals and engineered plastics. The adhesive system is specifically formulated to provide the highest impact and peel strengths available in a room temperature curing adhesive.
LORD 406 acrylic adhesive can be mixed with either LORD Accelerator 19 or LORD Accelerator 19GB. LORD Accelerator 19 improves the high temperature resistance of LORD 406 acrylic adhesive, and is available in off-white or black. LORD Accelerator 19GB allows precise control of the adhesive bondline thickness due to its content of glass beads. LORD Accelerator 19GB is available in off-white, red or gray.
Shelf Life

Shelf life is six months when stored below 80°F (27°C) in original, unopened container. For maximum shelf life, storage temperatures of 40-50°F (4-10°C) are recommended. If stored at these cooler temperatures, allow product to return to room temperature before using. Protect from exposure to ultraviolet light. LORD 406 acrylic adhesive is flammable. Do not store or use near heat, sparks or open flame.
Features and Benefits

• Versatile - bonds a wide range of unprepared metals with minimal substrate preparation; bonds difficult plastics such as XENOY®.
• Temperature Resistant - performs at temperatures from -40 to +300°F (-40 to +149°C).
• Environmentally Resistant - resists dilute acids, alkalis, solvents, greases, oils, moisture, salt spray and weathering; provides excellent resistance to UV exposure.
• Non-Sag - remains in position when applied on vertical or overhead surfaces, allowing for greater process flexibility. </div></div>



Nope. Sorry dude. . .
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FWIW: Marine tex sux.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Eric Bryant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im willing to bet that Chad could use JB wled and still get a better bedding job that alot of hacks out their.</div></div>

Bingo. If you were to give Chad's magic mud to one of us mere mortals and force him to use some random tube of hardware-store crap pulled from a drawer in my shop, his work is still going to be far superior to mine.

Unless someone can come up with a damn fine reason why Devcon or <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Marine-Tex does not work for them,</span></span> and then describe what properties they would prefer, then this is simply an exercise in mental masturbation. </div></div>

Marine-Tex is hygroscopic and high CTE compared to other resin systems.

Devcon and JBWeld are an obvious choice over Marine-Tex

The rest of the points hold true though, unless you can really utilize the stuff then this is a moot point discussion.
 
#21
Re: Chads secret bedding sauce?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Eric Bryant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im willing to bet that Chad could use JB wled and still get a better bedding job that alot of hacks out their.</div></div>

Bingo. If you were to give Chad's magic mud to one of us mere mortals and force him to use some random tube of hardware-store crap pulled from a drawer in my shop, his work is still going to be far superior to mine.

Unless someone can come up with a damn fine reason why Devcon or <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Marine-Tex does not work for them,</span></span> and then describe what properties they would prefer, then this is simply an exercise in mental masturbation. </div></div>

Marine-Tex is hygroscopic and high CTE compared to other resin systems.

Devcon and JBWeld are an obvious choice over Marine-Tex

The rest of the points hold true though, unless you can really utilize the stuff then this is a moot point discussion.

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While I find this thread amusing/flattering/etc. . . please allow me to make something very clear.

You'll never hear me say our/my bedding jobs make a gun shoot better than what someone else can do. It's never happened and it never will. That'd be like professional suicide.

We do however try like hell to offer a level of presentation that distinguishes itself. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder so I offer the judging to the individual.

I don't use Marine Tex. I don't like it. I need an epoxy to flow like corn syrup for the method I use. Marine Tex won't do this. It also sets up too fast (skins) for my liking. I want a resin that's wet and wicks into the substrate. What I use does this really well.

I've never used Marine Tex but a handful of times. It was well over a decade ago. I'm not that experienced with it because I don't like it. I don't use Acra Glass either because the filler is nylon. Nylon is Hygroscopic-meaning it attracts moisture. Poison in humble opinion.

Whatever resin you use, so long as it works for you, keep using it. There's too many guns out there bedded with all sorts of stuff that shoot very well. I'm not here to change the world on a choice of bedding compound. We keep it to ourselves because I like to think I have a slight edge on the competition when it comes to presentation. We show quite a bit on my little build threads. It's been successful for us in terms of new clients/sales. That being said we'll continue to do so.

Thanks.

C.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Marine-Tex is hygroscopic
</div></div>

Are you certain? Seems like an odd quality for something recommended to repair a boat.
 
#24
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fngmike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Marine-Tex is hygroscopic
</div></div>

Are you certain? Seems like an odd quality for something recommended to repair a boat. </div></div>

If bohem says so, its probably true...
 
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POST #4 dedicated to Kendra....Kendra, thats an assumption and so be it. I could assume from your pic that your classy,educated,and work very hard for a living?

However,I have watched(lurked)this site for a couple years but never registered. I signed in for one reason to be able to click on chads name and search other post from him and a few others.
I could have given my autobiography and make up all the great builds I have...but I don't. Then maybe wouldn't have seemed to be trolling.
I wanted to glean from this site. There are all types of people on this site.
As for chads work! He could care less if I try to guess the secret sauce.Does it work for him? YES. Like others have said would he tell if i got it right? no,but this post was in fun. I have watched others trying to guess and just for forum talk thought I'd throw it out. His work is top self and is a different class as is some others. His correctness and detail is something great.Good equipment,good knowledge, and exactness make his builds nice. Are they the best? that's not for me to decide. probably close for the type of builds he doing. Take care
 
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Nice comeback for the usual 'pile-on the new guy' BS.

Bluewalker - just because some people equate their post count and that of others with credibility and 'status' (on the internet..LMFAO), doesn't mean everyone does. Just keep on rolling.
 
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