Would someone please explain the difference between the $2500 Nighrforce AtacR 5-25 x 56 and the $450 Vortex Venom which is also 5-25 x 56
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Where are you seeing that new price? Or are you talking about used?$2500 Nighrforce AtacR 5-25 x 56
I had two out yesterday the $450 Venom and a $2500 Razor.
The expensive one has clearer glass to the edge...better turrent feel etc. And weighs a ton, it's very heavy.
But for normal shooting, especially at 100 yd group shooting the cheap one will work just as well as the expensive one, and sometimes produce smaller groups.
Infact the Venom works so well I purchased another, for general use.
Buy the Venom run the piss out of it...if it fails... send it in for repair, or replacement.
They have a great warranty.
I have a couple of heavy expensive ones to go with LR rifles. They tend to give more confidence, but the cheap ones get the job done all the time, too, for the majority of common shooters.
For pure fuddery, nothing. For actual shooting, one is a proper tool with appropriate features and the other is an adjustable wrench you are trying to use as a screwdriver.Would someone please explain the difference between the $2500 Nighrforce AtacR 5-25 x 56 and the $450 Vortex Venom which is also 5-25 x 56
I rest my case.I had two out yesterday the $450 Venom and a $2500 Razor.
The expensive one has clearer glass to the edge...better turrent feel etc. And weighs a ton, it's very heavy.
But for normal shooting, especially at 100 yd group shooting the cheap one will work just as well as the expensive one, and sometimes produce smaller groups.
Infact the Venom works so well I purchased another, for general use.
Buy the Venom run the piss out of it...if it fails... send it in for repair, or replacement.
They have a great warranty.
I have a couple of heavy expensive ones to go with LR rifles. They tend to give more confidence, but the cheap ones get the job done all the time, too, for the majority of common shooters.
Adjustable hammer I’m trying to use as a pocket knife?For pure fuddery, nothing. For actual shooting, one is a proper tool with appropriate features and the other is an adjustable wrench you are trying to use as a screwdriver.
Most everything that is manufactured in China is on CNC machines. The government subsidizes industry, and manipulate currency to keep parts, and goods cheap plus lower wages, or slave labor, in some cases...Every major manufacturer takes advantage of that and use many of the same, small, made in China parts, on so called USA or Japanese goods... most all are infected with Chinese parts, throughout everything the world buys.
Example the cheaper Toyota car models have 80% of their parts made in China. So do Korean car models.The fewer, the made in China parts, on the vehicle, will more than doubles the cars price.
I almost had to go to China 17 yrs ago to set up CNC mills for our company, eliminating my CNC job, in the computer industry, by an American company. It didn't pencil out that time, because of costly Chinese government demands, and requirements, the initial investment was too high.
Today China can hold tight tolerences the same as anyone else equipped with CNC machines and robotics....if they desire to.
China has alot of cost cutting corners and policies for goods used by consumers, quantity not quality, to meet the demand prevails, when China is the world's manufacturer of goods.
Your newer Harley has Chinese parts too. Milwaukee Iron?
EO was selling "like new demos" of the ATACR 5-25 F1 MIL-XT for like 2 months and they never went out of stock. I'll let you draw the logical conclusion as to why that is. Could have something to do with the like-new demo Zeiss 6-36's they've been selling for $1800 for months now. But either way they do semi-often put some actual demos up for sale like the one below (except this one is MIL-C reticle). I bought one of the MIL-XT 5-25 ATACRs but ended up returning it and just getting another Razor G3.Where are you seeing that new price? Or are you talking about used?
I agree with this. I find after about $2500 there is diminishing return on investment. I personally can't tell the difference in glass from a Athlon Cronus to a ZCO@Lowlight has stated in a video that you don't need to spend more than $2500 (new) to get a top end scope. You spend more for stuff you like or that your niche hobby/job conditions demand.
Ahhh yes, the “open the box , shut the box, sell as demo” deal.EO was selling "like new demos" of the ATACR 5-25 F1 MIL-XT for like 2 months and they never went out of stock. I'll let you draw the logical conclusion as to why that is. Could have something to do with the like-new demo Zeiss 6-36's they've been selling for $1800 for months now. But either way they do semi-often put some actual demos up for sale like the one below (except this one is MIL-C reticle). I bought one of the MIL-XT 5-25 ATACRs but ended up returning it and just getting another Razor G3.
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Why then does the same also generally also apply to cnc machines. If you want good go for Japanese or from someplace that speaks German.If China is able to cnc mill aluminum and grind/polish glass like Japan and Germany then why are all the top tier scopes made in Japan and Germany?
Two words...quality control.If China is able to cnc mill aluminum and grind/polish glass like Japan and Germany then why are all the top tier scopes made in Japan and Germany?
For nearly 40 years I was involved with being the US Rep for a Swiss machine manufacturer of equipment used to slice silicon into wafers for semiconductor and then later photovoltaic use. Around 2010 the Chinese starting ramping up production of solar cells and were buying the machines by the dozen. The swiss company even built a new production facility and hired dozens of people to keep up with the demand. Then they canceled the orders....there were probably a dozen or more machines at a million+ a pop in the process of being built. For a while they finished them in the hopes of selling to other customers. They ended up in the shipping crates and sitting in a field next to the factory for about a year, and then were scrapped. It nearly put the company under. As it turns out the Chinese Govt decided they had enough "samples" they could reverse engineer the machines. The Chinese don;t play fair and could give a rat's ass about patents or copyrights, or even contracts. They use you until they don't need you. I avoid Chinese products whenever I can. Unfortunately it's sometimes unavoidable.Most everything that is manufactured in China is on CNC machines. The government subsidizes industry, and manipulate currency to keep parts, and goods cheap plus lower wages, or slave labor, in some cases...Every major manufacturer takes advantage of that and use many of the same, small, made in China parts, on so called USA or Japanese goods... most all are infected with Chinese parts, throughout everything the world buys.
Example the cheaper Toyota car models have 80% of their parts made in China. So do Korean car models.The fewer, the made in China parts, on the vehicle, will more than doubles the cars price.
I almost had to go to China 17 yrs ago to set up CNC mills for our company, eliminating my CNC job, in the computer industry, by an American company. It didn't pencil out that time, because of costly Chinese government demands, and requirements, the initial investment was too high.
Today China can hold tight tolerences the same as anyone else equipped with CNC machines and robotics....if they desire to.
China has alot of cost cutting corners and policies for goods used by consumers, quantity not quality, to meet the demand prevails, when China is the world's manufacturer of goods.
Your newer Harley has Chinese parts too. Milwaukee Iron?
Venom like is like looking through...Would someone please explain the difference between the $2500 Nighrforce AtacR 5-25 x 56 and the $450 Vortex Venom which is also 5-25 x 56
This has got to be one of the most fudd things I have read on the hide on at least a week... Think you will that trophy last time too... Gtfo with that bs line of thinking.
To be fair, due to the ambiguity of the OP original post, my suspicion is that is a troll post. No specifics about any scope features or mention of how the scope is to be used.....I use the cheap Venom and the Razor HD, side by side shooting, on the same day.
Yes there is a difference, but they both work for the intended purposes.
And why I purchased another Venom.
The heavy, expensive scope is not needed or desired on the light 18" 338 RCM AR 10.
Here, its a good test vehicle, with 25x on tap for checking accuracy of handloads, on the AR10.
And that works for me.
This reminds me when I (accidentally) deeply offended this chick who was waxing on and on and on about her and her husbands amazing car. I think it was an Audi C3 sedan. Trying to remember what it looked like, I searched online and said something like, “Oh yeah, it looks a bit like a Ford Probe.”
The Japanese do that too. I worked for a company that made Photo-mechanical and acid etching machines. they tied up our machine in customs for like 3 months. (reverse engineering time).For nearly 40 years I was involved with being the US Rep for a Swiss machine manufacturer of equipment used to slice silicon into wafers for semiconductor and then later photovoltaic use. Around 2010 the Chinese starting ramping up production of solar cells and were buying the machines by the dozen. The swiss company even built a new production facility and hired dozens of people to keep up with the demand. Then they canceled the orders....there were probably a dozen or more machines at a million+ a pop in the process of being built. For a while they finished them in the hopes of selling to other customers. They ended up in the shipping crates and sitting in a field next to the factory for about a year, and then were scrapped. It nearly put the company under. As it turns out the Chinese Govt decided they had enough "samples" they could reverse engineer the machines. The Chinese don;t play fair and could give a rat's ass about patents or copyrights, or even contracts. They use you until they don't need you. I avoid Chinese products whenever I can. Unfortunately it's sometimes unavoidable.