Cheaper then Dirt Boycott

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I think this forum.Gun owners and any one else needs to boycott them. First they pulled out of the guns and acceories.
Now they have taken and doubled or tripled there prices.
Maybe they should rename the company to Highher then Gold
 
#8
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: FLHX</div><div class="ubbcode-body">we bash companies for price gouging,but we call individuals on this site and others that price gouge is capitalism.</div></div>
I agree that sometimes the line between capitalism and price gouging can be blurry, however in my opinion raising prices in the face of an assault on our 2nd amendment was in poor taste. If businesses are forced to compete with each other regarding prices or raise prices based on demand, that's capitalism at it's finest. But what they did was pure greed, you (not you personally, I mean CTD)cannot hide behind capitalism when you DOUBLE your pricing because you want to take advantage of a political climate. Not too mention, supply and demand applies typically when supplies are low and people want the item. Not, "we have a warehouse full of them and we know they're going to sell, lets double the prices". But, yes I see your point and agree that you can't always blame someone for raising prices and in the same breathe support capitalism.
 
#10
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I sent them an email that said,

"Please take me off your mailing list now that you have a new customer base. Thank you. Best of luck selling whatever it is you plan to sell to the anti gun crowd."

They lost my business for life. I have a long memory too, my family and others I know are still boycotting BP for what they did in the Gulf... A lot of people here are and those AM/PM's are shutting down now all over, and they always had the cheapest prices. Not all Americans are for sale it seems.

Rainier Arms, on the other hand, needs to be commended for not gouging --their prices remained the same, and in fact, when my wife went to get Grendel mags, they had the advertised price wrong, they were actually $2 less ea. and they caught that at the register. Good folks, no wonder they nearly sold out COMPLETELY. I'll remember this later.
 
#11
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I personally don't mind that a company raises it's prices in light of such insane demand. However, CTD's decision to pull firearms as a knee-jerk reaction to the shooting was an epic fail. Their lack of support for the shooting community will definitely cost them in the long run.

On the other hand, even though I wouldn't blame them for raising their prices, Rainier Arms' decision to not raise their prices is very impressive. I've purchased a lot AR parts from them over the last couple years and their commitment to the shooting community will definitely be remembered/rewarded by me.
 
#14
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I really do not understand, this was their similar aproach several years back that earned them the dubious "boycott those fuckers" response from many, seems like time was good medicine as few held to that initial boycott.

Their response is no surprise. None the less, either support them or do not, playing middle ground and fair weather friend is simply not a good answer.
 
#15
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I can't understand how a company thinks they can shit on their customer base and everything will be business as normal. CTD and Limp Dick's won't ever see a penny from me.
 
#16
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I always held them as selling mainly made in china shit and never really looked at CTD in my first round of go-to vendors. Their ordering/shipping crap on their website and the fact they normally were never the best price helped me stay away from this - this kind of behavior simply makes sure it stays that way for good.

Dick's is pretty much the same thing. Maybe go and look in there if I needed something RFN and noone had it. It's a sports authority masquerading as a gunstore with mostly made in china shit you can get online for half the price and expensive ammo at the fudd counter. What they did to Troy makes me hope they get the shit sued out of them.

Wont miss either of them.
 
#17
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheGerman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I always held them as selling mainly made in china shit and never really looked at CTD in my first round of go-to vendors. Their ordering/shipping crap on their website and the fact they normally were never the best price helped me stay away from this - this kind of behavior simply makes sure it stays that way for good.</div></div>

Pretty much. No boycott needed for me since they peddle mostly crap with a few decent things mixed in that were not really priced all that well anyways. I didnt really support them before and I certainly wont now. But this is what you should expect from someone who sells themselves as nothing more then the cheapest place to buy swag but cannot even deliver on that one promise.
 
#18
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Boycott them for not supporting the Second, but everyone needs to understand THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PRICE GOUGING unless the government is forcibly making you buy it.

Everyone whining about prices are starting to sound like a lot of entitled brats. You didn't spend your capital when you had the chance, while those that invested their money by storing inventory are now supposed to take less money than what the market bears just because you feel entitled to last weeks price. I hope I buy my next house from one of you, just be advised if there is a hot market I am expecting you not to sell for anything more than 2 or 3% appreciation, regardless of what your neighbors are getting. I'm sure you will all be ok with that.

Should I be stocking up on gas, food, clothing and everything else you may need in the future so that you can buy it from me at today's price? Why dont you whiners send me a list of what you want to buy during the next hurricane so I can be ready. After all, other people exist to meet your every desire at the price YOU want to pay, right?

Sheesh. The natural result of zero economic education in our illustrious public schools. No wonder we are headed for socialism.
 
#20
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Boycott them for not supporting the Second, but everyone needs to understand THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PRICE GOUGING unless the government is forcibly making you buy it.

Everyone whining about prices are starting to sound like a lot of entitled brats. You didn't spend your capital when you had the chance, while those that invested their money by storing inventory are now supposed to take less money than what the market bears just because you feel entitled to last weeks price. I hope I buy my next house from one of you, just be advised if there is a hot market I am expecting you not to sell for anything more than 2 or 3% appreciation, regardless of what your neighbors are getting. I'm sure you will all be ok with that.

Should I be stocking up on gas, food, clothing and everything else you may need in the future so that you can buy it from me at today's price? Why dont you whiners send me a list of what you want to buy during the next hurricane so I can be ready. After all, other people exist to meet your every desire at the price YOU want to pay, right?

Sheesh. The natural result of zero economic education in our illustrious public schools. No wonder we are headed for socialism.
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+1000

This thread should be a sticky!

Just to remind everyone of CTD's stance on the 2A in case they start selling firearms again in the future.
 
#22
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Price gouging is a term only used when people caught with their pants down were too late to get with the program. If it's too expensive, don't buy it. Ultimately, an exchange of goods or services only happens if both parties agree the cost is acceptable.

It's kind of a dick move to jack up prices, but you aren't required to participate in the buying or selling of inflated goods. A buyer isn't obligated by law (well, in some places yes, but I disagree with government interfering) to sell at a fixed price. If we don't like capitalism, we can always adopt another system.

Even in the "worst cases" where people drive across the country and sell truckloads of generators to people in areas torn apart by storms at huge profits...they're providing supply where none existed before. Scarcity drives up prices. Is it fair that an NFA M16 costs $20,000? Are they "price gouging" when it's only worth $1000 at most?

I'm a bit pissed that my regularly scheduled buying is all screwed up now because supply has dried up and the price has doubled or tripled. Is it kind of dickish that CTD as a large company decided to jump into huge markups while Brownells or Midway doesn't? Yeah. Know how I can deal with that? Spend my dollars elsewhere today and in the future.
 
#23
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Boycott them for not supporting the Second, but everyone needs to understand THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PRICE GOUGING unless the government is forcibly making you buy it.</div></div>
Anyone can use the term "price gouging" to describe the rapid increase of prices due to a supply or demand shock. It is only criminal when it is used unscrupulously to jack prices of essential commodities during an emergency (such as charging $100 for a pack of diapers after a tornado wrecks a town). In that regard, I don't believe it is appropriate to compare price gouging with buying a $20K NFA M-16 at one's convenience with a $1K tank of gasoline or $100 case of bottled water after a storm.

Just because the US economy utilizes capitalist principles does not excuse this type of behavior. In fact, the US and every other nation regulates capital markets to prevent nonsense like this from encroaching upon transactions that are needed for capital markets to effectively function. It is unethical and I am relieved to see that most on this thread have the moral compass to realize that raising prices well above the fair market value because of an economic shock to the system is unscrupulous behavior that consumers should not tolerate. Fortunately consumers can hold the retailers accountable by not purchasing goods from them. The entire point of this thread is to leverage the communicative utility of the internet to facilitate this action.
 
#26
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Capitalism my ass. Some of these people were jacking prices 400% on some items. They were taking advantage of people in a bad situation, the very people that have kept them in business all these years, for no other reason than greed. Some of you are right, nobody forced me to pay those outrageous prices and I didn't and guess what....nobodies forcing me to boycot their ass either but just watch me do it.

Okie
 
#27
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: okiefired</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Capitalism my ass. Some of these people were jacking prices 400% on some items. They were taking advantage of people in a bad situation, the very people that have kept them in business all these years, for no other reason than greed. Some of you are right, nobody forced me to pay those outrageous prices and I didn't and guess what....nobodies forcing me to boycot their ass either but just watch me do it.

Okie</div></div>


I'll play devils advocate here...

I don't think they are/were taking advantage of people that kept them in business for years... for the most part, those of us that have been buying for years (which in turn keeps people in business) refuse to pay the outrageous prices, we'll just wait until they come down, because our years of buying tell us that there's a very good chance that they WILL come down, at least some... the people they're taking advantage of are the idiots that didn't have anything, and had to buy SOMETHING right now.
 
#30
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Don't know where those of you that purchased items from CTD have looked but every time I've compared prices with other places CTD isn't even close. They've never gotten a dime from me, I just spend a bit of time and have found plenty of other venders with same items for much less.

Hate to see any vendor jack up their prices like this but it's also our choice to not pay what they want. Most of our society has now become a buy as needed type and not be prepared for our future needs to ride out shortages or panic style buying.

Going to be tough for shooters for a while but learn a lesson from this and buy ahead as you can afford and times like these will be much easier.

Topstrap
 
#33
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I have never ordered anything from them but I was told they are selling pmags for $60! I back ordered some from midway, same price as before plus they would only let me have 2 because they wanted everybody to have a chance to get some. Pretty stark difference in business ethics.
 
#34
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It makes no differance what they charge, none of us should ever buy anything from a company that does not stand up for United States of America and the Constutition.
 
#39
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#40
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scott7339</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ethics and morals are a big deal in who I do business with. CTD seems to have none. </div></div>

^^^ This is why I like it here. Helpful and honest members, $$$ means a lot less than integrity to some of us still.
 
#41
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Do you think people would be better off if these unscrupulous people simply not offer these items at all to anyone and horde it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LCDR JGB</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Boycott them for not supporting the Second, but everyone needs to understand THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PRICE GOUGING unless the government is forcibly making you buy it.</div></div>
Anyone can use the term "price gouging" to describe the rapid increase of prices due to a supply or demand shock. It is only criminal when it is used unscrupulously to jack prices of essential commodities during an emergency (such as charging $100 for a pack of diapers after a tornado wrecks a town). In that regard, I don't believe it is appropriate to compare price gouging with buying a $20K NFA M-16 at one's convenience with a $1K tank of gasoline or $100 case of bottled water after a storm.

Just because the US economy utilizes capitalist principles does not excuse this type of behavior. In fact, the US and every other nation regulates capital markets to prevent nonsense like this from encroaching upon transactions that are needed for capital markets to effectively function. It is unethical and I am relieved to see that most on this thread have the moral compass to realize that raising prices well above the fair market value because of an economic shock to the system is unscrupulous behavior that consumers should not tolerate. Fortunately consumers can hold the retailers accountable by not purchasing goods from them. The entire point of this thread is to leverage the communicative utility of the internet to facilitate this action. </div></div>
 
#42
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Easily-they always had restrictions about selling firearms to Maryland state residents anyway-firearms others were willing and happy to sell.
These are serious times and this company has shown its true colors.
 
#43
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: okiefired</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Capitalism my ass. Some of these people were jacking prices 400% on some items. They were taking advantage of people in a bad situation, the very people that have kept them in business all these years, for no other reason than greed. Some of you are right, nobody forced me to pay those outrageous prices and I didn't and guess what....nobodies forcing me to boycot their ass either but just watch me do it.

Okie</div></div>


I'll play devils advocate here...

I don't think they are/were taking advantage of people that kept them in business for years... for the most part, those of us that have been buying for years (which in turn keeps people in business) refuse to pay the outrageous prices, we'll just wait until they come down, because our years of buying tell us that there's a very good chance that they WILL come down, at least some... the people they're taking advantage of are the idiots that didn't have anything, and had to buy SOMETHING right now. </div></div>

Well just have to disagree I guess. I've shot with and enjoyed the outdoors with guys for years that have been evolved in this buying frenzy with all the rest of these idiots and I'm not just talking about doing business with CTD (never done business with them anyway). I've seen some of us (shooters) panic every time something like this happens, also happened to a lesser degree after the last two elections.
 
#44
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Catchy little tune, but I somehow think that guys dog wanted to blow his brains out.
I'm surprised at the number of people that actually bought from these douche's.
I must be a pioneer or something, I banned em 10 years ago.
 
#45
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Well, someone in their administration is just doing what they think is right morally, however misguided they may be in the making of that decision. Everyone just has to remember that it is their right to do just what they did and I have served to ensure that they have that right. As far as gouging prices, they have been gouging on that third rate bullshit they sell for years! No one cared until they felt it was suddenly "essential" to buy as much shit as fast as they could get it! Just don't buy from them, is that easy!
 
#50
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I have not bought from them since before the 2008 elections. After seeing the shenanigans they pulled at that time I said never again.

It is capitalism at it's best/worst, but it speaks volumes about the company. In my opinion they take advantage of fudds and those that don't know any better or have poor google-foo skills. I have family members that probably would have paid these crazy prices for magazines lowers etc. etc..

They would probably be the first to turn over a list of internet sales or credit card receipte to the government when/if they ever get to the point of confiscating our weapons.
 
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