Choate Tactical

Rodeo Trash

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I am looking at replacing my HS Precision stock on my Savage 12 LRP with a Choate Tactical or something in this same price range. This HS is a good stock but I prefer a stock with a vertical grip. I had the B & C Medalist Tactical on my 300 wsm but I really did not like how wide the forend was. I do not have the funds to purchase a higher end stock even though I know that they are worth the money. I figured I could sell the HS Precision w/ the Karsten cheek rest and use that money to purchase a different stock. Can anyone give me feed back on the quality of these new Choates or suggest another stock in the same price range and design? Thanks in advance!!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rodeo Trash</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am looking at replacing my HS Precision stock on my Savage 12 LRP with a Choate Tactical or something in this same price range. This HS is a good stock but I prefer a stock with a vertical grip. I had the B & C Medalist Tactical on my 300 wsm but I really did not like how wide the forend was. I do not have the funds to purchase a higher end stock even though I know that they are worth the money. I figured I could sell the HS Precision w/ the Karsten cheek rest and use that money to purchase a different stock. Can anyone give me feed back on the quality of these new Choates or suggest another stock in the same price range and design? Thanks in advance!! </div></div>

ROFL, get the Ulti Sniper stock, its the Ultimate....

As far as stocks, out of the ones you have listed you already have the best one bolted on.

HS Precision -yeah not a vert grip but a great stock
B&C-You can get what your after. Good reports but I have had 2 and both had issues that were fixable with some dremel love.,
Choate-LOL what can I say. When I was new to custom rifles and such I used a choate on my first build. soon replaced with a real stock and figured out that yeah other stocks are a bit more expensive but well worth the money.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poke</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rodeo Trash</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am looking at replacing my HS Precision stock on my Savage 12 LRP with a Choate Tactical or something in this same price range. This HS is a good stock but I prefer a stock with a vertical grip. I had the B & C Medalist Tactical on my 300 wsm but I really did not like how wide the forend was. I do not have the funds to purchase a higher end stock even though I know that they are worth the money. I figured I could sell the HS Precision w/ the Karsten cheek rest and use that money to purchase a different stock. Can anyone give me feed back on the quality of these new Choates or suggest another stock in the same price range and design? Thanks in advance!! </div></div>

ROFL, get the Ulti Sniper stock, its the Ultimate....

As far as stocks, out of the ones you have listed you already have the best one bolted on.

HS Precision -yeah not a vert grip but a great stock
B&C-You can get what your after. Good reports but I have had 2 and both had issues that were fixable with some dremel love.,
Choate-LOL what can I say. When I was new to custom rifles and such I used a choate on my first build. soon replaced with a real stock and figured out that yeah other stocks are a bit more expensive but well worth the money. </div></div>

you probably just needed to learn how to shoot

http://www.accurateshooter.com/stocks/choate-tactical-stock-for-short-action-rems/

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Choate-Stocked F-TR Rifle Wins World & Euro Championships
We know that some folks scoff at the Choate product line, assuming that a lower price means that Choate stocks can’t perform as well as all-fiberglass stocks that may cost two or even three times as much. Well, to those “sticker-price snobs”, consider this. Britain’s Russell Simmonds won the 2009 F-TR World Championship (at Bisley, England) shooting a .308 with a Choate stock. Russell then went on to win the British League Championship (the second time in a row) AND the European Championship. Russell’s gun features a Barnard action, True-flite barrel, Choate “Ultimate Sniper” stock and 8.5-25×50 Leupold scope.</div></div>
 
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You all need to stop dispensing crap advice gentlemen.

OP, for your Savage, look here:

http://www.mcmillanusa.com/mcmillan-specials-stocks2.php

That's right, a McMillan HTG(Think M40 sniper rifle, same stock) can be purchased direct for under $500.
Not only do you get a very fine stock for your rifle, you get an end result that if you can't make small groups at 300(1.5") well, maybe you should find another hobby. ANyone can shoot 1/4" groups at 100M all day long. It takes a rigid stock, with a solid, reliable barreled action, mounted correctly, to make a good shooting rifle. After that, well, practice, practice, practice. Shoot at least 40 - 100 rounds a weekend with it until you can shoot those 1.5" groups at 300M and you are totally, and completely bored with them and 100M isn't even a thought. Then you have a very solid 300M zero to work with.

To the rest of you. Choate stocks? (in my best Gunny Highway voice) Oh God, not that!
 
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It's funny that as I read this reply, I'm watching "Heart Break Ridge" I could not agree with you more as far as McMillian Stocks are concerned, they are worth every penny but as of right now I'm not in a position to spend that kind of money. I was looking for an alternative until I can afford a higher quality stock. I realize a good stock can help with my groups but I'd rather save that extra cash and practice, practice, practice.
 
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Eat the raman and get the McMillan. It's the best way to go for 'one rifle'. You will thank yourself after about three months when you are shooting better than everyone else around you.
As to those of you who 'traded up' for the Choate, well, practice makes perfect...even when the rifle is in a mediocre stock. At that point, it is not the stock, but the shooter who practices all the time.
NOTHING beatrs a good rifle in a good stock for a shooter who shoots enough to KNOW HIS RIFLE.

IF you can save the scratch for a Choate, you are over halfway to a McMillan HTG. Eating the raman a few times a week takes that grocery money you saved and puts it towards top quality parts. Do yourself a little justice and wait for the better parts by having the patience to get there.
Don't take part in the drinking of the Choate Kool-Aid, it's not that good, kinda on par with drinking that crap from DC
 
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Well I guess I need to be patient and just save the extra cash. I figure if I sell the HS from my savage and another take off stock from a sps varminter, that will get me almost there. Thanks Switchblade!!! Who has the best deals on the McMillian HTG?
 
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Switchblade, I noticed the the HTG does not have a vertical grip. Am I looking at the right one? I really got comfortable with the vertical grip B & C but I don't like that wide flat forend. What about the HS Precision M24?
 
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I have a choate on my savage that doesn't get shot anymore. It is a great shooting gun in that stock, very good shooting rifle. I have the h-s stock on 2 other guns and like them too. If you wanted to swap them out I would be interested. I have never done a swap but it wouldn't bother me to so I would have 3 rifles with teh same feel. Just let me know if your interested, doesn't make me any difference either way.
 
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Here is McMillans specials direct with the vertical grips.



#2704 A3 PAINTED OLIVE, RH SAVAGE SHORT ACTION, CENTERFEED MODEL, BLIND MAG, FAC SAV T/G, FAC VARMINT B/C, 1" DEC PAD, 13.5" LOP, 2 FRONT STUDS. $520.00 5/27/11

SAVAGE

#2653 ADJ A5 PAINTED BLACK, SNIPER FILL, RH SAVAGE SHORT ACTION, CENTER FEED MODEL, CDI PREC DBM, #8 SHILEN B/C WITH 3" CYL, 1" DEC PAD, 13.5" LOP, THUMBWHEEL C/P, 3 STUDS, ALUMINUM PILLARS INSTALLED. $625.00 3/30/11

#2658 ADJ A5 34% BLACK, 33% OLIVE, 33% TAN MARBLE, RH SAVAGE SHORT ACTION, STAGGERFEED MODEL, BLIND MAG, FAC SAV T/G, FAC SAV VARMINT B/C, SPACER SYSTEM WITH MAX LOP OF 13.5", INTEGRAL C/P, FRONT STUD. $625.00 4/14/11

#2690 ADJ A5 PAINTED OLIVE, SNIPER FILL, RH SAVAGE LONG ACTION, STAGGERFEED MODEL, BLIND MAG, FAC SAV T/G, FAC TARGET B/C, THUMBHWEEL C/P, SPACER SYSTEM, 3 STUDS. $650.00 4/21/11

#2701 ADJ A5 PAINTED BLACK, RH SAVAGE SHORT ACTION, STAGGERFEED MODEL, BLIND MAG, FAC SAV T/G, FAC SAV TARGET B/C, THUMBWHEEL C/P, 3WAY ADJUSTABLE BUTT SYSTEM, 2 STUDS. $750.00 5/24/11

 
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http://www.mcmillanusa.com/mcmillan-stocks-pricing.php

Those are the current prices for the A series and other stocks. Base price is under $500, and a saddle is avaialble for not much more.

If one looks hard at the grip angle of the HTG vs any of the A series, the grip angle is the same from the hand hold position. Compare the HTG to a 'normal' hunting stock at the grip area and you will see that the HTG has more of a straight pull angle on it, a lot more than anything in the same shape, but only slightly less(Very slight due to stock shape) than the A series.
A no frills A2, which is OEM on the old Winchester Sharpshooter from the 80's, as well as being my favorite A series stock can be had for +/- $500(as can all A series stocks)

Selling off the other stock gains the first $150 or so. Three months of saving and scraping gains the rest of the funds. You sell the first stock, and send that as deposit to McMillan. When your stock is ready, you send the rest. It's that easy(IF raman is a large part of the diet). How do I know this? I didn't shoot my PSS for three months because I sold off the OEM B&C stock, and made a drug deal with Panty 6 on an offer I got from Kelly McMillan. I ate freakin raman to save my share of the grocery money for two weeks before Panty 6 said she couldn't stand watching me do it anymore.
You only have to be dedicated to getting the good stuff to scrape up the money you need for a top shelf shooter. Lots of raman helps, and yes, I am the original 'eat raman until you save for it' guy. The membership here just wasn't that dedicated back then because they weren't hungry, and had full pockets. Me, I had a OEM rifle, lots of what I thought were good ideas(crap dysfunctional ideas I found out after I posted them here), and the will to do whatever it took to make my rifle a seriously competitive shooter. My first two and so far only two competitions it was enough to beat many folks here, and earn the nickname 'shotgun' from LL because my initial groups sucked ass(they got me to 10th in catagory, and 38th overall out of over 100). My next attempt with the same rifle yielded me, after many months of practice, 8th in catagory, and 32nd overall out of over 100(168 if memory serves). A good stock(thank you again Kelly!), a basic remy 700PSS( I scratched and saved for six months and pissed off Panty 6 when I used an Army bonus to finish the funding), and a used ST-10(Thank you DMCI), and lots of raman. I shot at least 40 rounds every other week trying to get enough practice to be 'good enough to compete against the old Hide members'(these guys were ruthless, names like Rifles Only, SpecopsScout, Tank175, lots of others who just knew I couldn't shoot).

I guess a guy just has to do what a guy has to do to 'get to that point'. I held a friend's Choate stocked remy...thought it was a loose POS when it shot, no rigidity at all, flexed like a skinny weight lifter. Compared to the rigidity of my A5 it was just crap. My A5 is rigid, shoots really well, way better than me, and just makes for a seriously competitive rifle for under $2k. The best part though? Shooting better than many hide members I competed against back then, and having a rifle that beat out many rifles valued at over $4k. I think I may try my hand at another competition in one of the next summers or so...school books and this degree program have my total attention until at least Spring 2014. This summer is straight classes while I catch up to my graduating class who started a semester before me so I don't have jack for time until maybe SUmmer 2012 to even think about seriously shooting again. Me, I got big thick school books, liberal professors, and lots of homework to contend with
 
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I'm curious. I hear lots of guys say Choate is crap but I never hear anyone give any solid reason. Do they not perform? I find it hard to believe that Choate's full lenght aluminum bedding block would be more flexible than the full length aluminum bedding block used by any other manufacturer. Is there a problem with the fit?
 
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I have a Choate Tactical (no adjustments as it was before that model came out) and my personal thoughts are it is good for the price point. I shot some B&C's when I first got my Savage and was not a fan. I also came across a deal that included the savage bottom metal and a mag with the stock on here and the price was less then retail of just the stock (right around 200 shipped). I find no flex in my stock and all and the rifle will defiantly shoot better then I can at the present time. I will say a few down sides are the rail for the bipod is a terrible idea I swapped a rail screw with a sling stud otherwise about 1/2 through the day the bipod is about to fall off and you are changing your position as it shifts throughout the day makings consistent shooting hard to achieve. Also it is a bit heavy and wide in spots but before I paint mine I think some sanding work will change this.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SmokinAce</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a Choate Tactical (no adjustments as it was before that model came out) and my personal thoughts are it is good for the price point. I shot some B&C's when I first got my Savage and was not a fan. I also came across a deal that included the savage bottom metal and a mag with the stock on here and the price was less then retail of just the stock (right around 200 shipped). I find no flex in my stock and all and the rifle will defiantly shoot better then I can at the present time. I will say a few down sides are the rail for the bipod is a terrible idea I swapped a rail screw with a sling stud otherwise about 1/2 through the day the bipod is about to fall off and you are changing your position as it shifts throughout the day makings consistent shooting hard to achieve. Also it is a bit heavy and wide in spots but before I paint mine I think some sanding work will change this. </div></div>
I see. The reason I was asking is that I know Fred at Choates' very well and he realizes his stocks aren't neccesarily for everyone. Everyone has different tastes in what they like and don't like. He is very big on his equipment functioning and if someone has a problem with functionality he wants to know about it. I like the Tactical but will agree that it's a little fat in the grip for my liking. The aluminum bedding block that they use is about as stout as I can imagine anyone building one. The T-rail bi-pod mount is a good idea and works great for me with the older style mounts with a T-screw to lock it down where you want it. Fred wants to build products that are functional and affordable, that you don't have to have a gunsmithing degree to install and make them work. Thanks for your reply and I'll pass on the information. When someone gives a reason for disliking something, it gives the manufacturer an opportunity to make it better, if a guy says he doesn't like it "just because" then there's nothing to work with.