Clean inside of neck with Nylon brush on Drill?
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Re: Clean inside of neck with Nylon brush on Drill?
I've used both in a drill press and don't really see any difference. I currently use a nylon, but mainly because I needed the copper one back to clean my rifle with.
I've used both in a drill press and don't really see any difference. I currently use a nylon, but mainly because I needed the copper one back to clean my rifle with.
Re: Clean inside of neck with Nylon brush on Drill?
427Cobra, I thought you were using the SS media? Do you feel you still need to do this after tumbling with SS media?
427Cobra, I thought you were using the SS media? Do you feel you still need to do this after tumbling with SS media?
Re: Clean inside of neck with Nylon brush on Drill?
If you look inside the case necks and see carbon deposits, use a bronze bore brush. I use one in a RCBS screwdriver handle. Twist while pushing in. Twist while pulling out. If it gets to where you have to do it more than once try working some 0000 steel wool into the bristles. If it still takes more than one twist, replace the brush.
If you have real carbon fouling, nylon will just shine it a little.
If you look inside the case necks and see carbon deposits, use a bronze bore brush. I use one in a RCBS screwdriver handle. Twist while pushing in. Twist while pulling out. If it gets to where you have to do it more than once try working some 0000 steel wool into the bristles. If it still takes more than one twist, replace the brush.
If you have real carbon fouling, nylon will just shine it a little.
Re: Clean inside of neck with Nylon brush on Drill?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deisel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">427Cobra, I thought you were using the SS media? Do you feel you still need to do this after tumbling with SS media? </div></div>
I load n shoot at the range sometimes so a quick brushing is all I do, at home all the brass gets cleaned with SS media, I'm going play with dry neck lube with my super clean brass to if there is any affect on ES/SD, seating force, and consistency of seating depth
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deisel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">427Cobra, I thought you were using the SS media? Do you feel you still need to do this after tumbling with SS media? </div></div>
I load n shoot at the range sometimes so a quick brushing is all I do, at home all the brass gets cleaned with SS media, I'm going play with dry neck lube with my super clean brass to if there is any affect on ES/SD, seating force, and consistency of seating depth
Re: Clean inside of neck with Nylon brush on Drill?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deisel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">427Cobra, I thought you were using the SS media? Do you feel you still need to do this after tumbling with SS media? </div></div>
I load n shoot at the range sometimes so a quick brushing is all I do, at home all the brass gets cleaned with SS media, I'm going play with dry neck lube with my super clean brass to if there is any affect on ES/SD, seating force, and consistency of seating depth </div></div>
427cobra,
Let me know what you find with the dry neck lube and the SS cleaning too. It looks like the moly gets burned on the case necks and takes longer to tumble off in the SS. After 2 hours the cases are all clean except it looks like there's gray moly color on the case necks in streaks.. I usually either tumble a little longer or use some 0000 steel wool to get the rest of the residue out.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deisel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">427Cobra, I thought you were using the SS media? Do you feel you still need to do this after tumbling with SS media? </div></div>
I load n shoot at the range sometimes so a quick brushing is all I do, at home all the brass gets cleaned with SS media, I'm going play with dry neck lube with my super clean brass to if there is any affect on ES/SD, seating force, and consistency of seating depth </div></div>
427cobra,
Let me know what you find with the dry neck lube and the SS cleaning too. It looks like the moly gets burned on the case necks and takes longer to tumble off in the SS. After 2 hours the cases are all clean except it looks like there's gray moly color on the case necks in streaks.. I usually either tumble a little longer or use some 0000 steel wool to get the rest of the residue out.
Re: Clean inside of neck with Nylon brush on Drill?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">K&M arbor press with seating force attachment, next week I'll be testing it</div></div>
Wouldn't happen to be this would it?
http://www.shootingsoftware.com/recoil.htm
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">K&M arbor press with seating force attachment, next week I'll be testing it</div></div>
Wouldn't happen to be this would it?
http://www.shootingsoftware.com/recoil.htm
Re: Clean inside of neck with Nylon brush on Drill?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mram10</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was cleaning the inside of my necks with a copper brush on a drill, but wondered if a Nylon would work better/worse? </div></div>
1) 10 years ago, I have cleaned the inside of necks with a bronze brush in a lathe, with a bronze brush in a lathe with steel wool wrapped around the brush, and I have tried with a Nylon brush.
The steel wool works, but takes lots of time. The steel wool wears out. The Bronze brush wears out. Replacing the stuff and poking the case over a moving brush is not fun work while watching TV.
2) 8 years ago, vibrating corn or Walnut media with cleaners, does not get the inside of the necks clean after two days of vibrating, even though the outside of the cases are clean in 5 minutes.
3) 4 years ago the ultrasonic, vinegar, and Lemishine can get 5 inside necks clean in 5 minutes of fooling with it.
4) In 2010, the Thumbler tumbler with stainless steel media, water, and Dawn gets the inside of the necks clean like new, and also peen over the mouth like new brass.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mram10</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was cleaning the inside of my necks with a copper brush on a drill, but wondered if a Nylon would work better/worse? </div></div>
1) 10 years ago, I have cleaned the inside of necks with a bronze brush in a lathe, with a bronze brush in a lathe with steel wool wrapped around the brush, and I have tried with a Nylon brush.
The steel wool works, but takes lots of time. The steel wool wears out. The Bronze brush wears out. Replacing the stuff and poking the case over a moving brush is not fun work while watching TV.
2) 8 years ago, vibrating corn or Walnut media with cleaners, does not get the inside of the necks clean after two days of vibrating, even though the outside of the cases are clean in 5 minutes.
3) 4 years ago the ultrasonic, vinegar, and Lemishine can get 5 inside necks clean in 5 minutes of fooling with it.
4) In 2010, the Thumbler tumbler with stainless steel media, water, and Dawn gets the inside of the necks clean like new, and also peen over the mouth like new brass.
Re: Clean inside of neck with Nylon brush on Drill?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mram10</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was cleaning the inside of my necks with a copper brush on a drill, but wondered if a Nylon would work better/worse? </div></div>
I use a bore brush. After a few hundred rounds, you'll notice it getting a lot thinner.
I'd imagine nylon brushes would wear down quite quickly.
Chris
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mram10</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was cleaning the inside of my necks with a copper brush on a drill, but wondered if a Nylon would work better/worse? </div></div>
I use a bore brush. After a few hundred rounds, you'll notice it getting a lot thinner.
I'd imagine nylon brushes would wear down quite quickly.
Chris
Re: Clean inside of neck with Nylon brush on Drill?
I use a bronze brush and rotate it as I pull it in an out. Then I swab out the necks with a bore swab that has Imperial wax residue in it. I get low run-outs, low velocity SD and very consistent COAL measurements from doing this.
I use a bronze brush and rotate it as I pull it in an out. Then I swab out the necks with a bore swab that has Imperial wax residue in it. I get low run-outs, low velocity SD and very consistent COAL measurements from doing this.
Re: Clean inside of neck with Nylon brush on Drill?
Hey Mechanic: and I thought I had "OCD". That's awesome!
Hey Mechanic: and I thought I had "OCD". That's awesome!
Re: Clean inside of neck with Nylon brush on Drill?
I use this
http://www.kmshooting.com/catalog/arbor-...-indicator.html
.001 movement of the dial is supposed to be 1 pound of force, its not as scientific as the Load Force unit, but a general idea of the forces it takes to seat a bullet are indicated, and of course I'm using Wilson inline seating dies.
I use this
http://www.kmshooting.com/catalog/arbor-...-indicator.html
.001 movement of the dial is supposed to be 1 pound of force, its not as scientific as the Load Force unit, but a general idea of the forces it takes to seat a bullet are indicated, and of course I'm using Wilson inline seating dies.
Re: Clean inside of neck with Nylon brush on Drill?
Good info. I use an ultrasonic first, but want to just make sure they are all "clean". Wax residue? I have considered just touching the inside of the neck or outside of bullets with Johnson's paste wax.
I know someone has tried it, but what are the results?
Good info. I use an ultrasonic first, but want to just make sure they are all "clean". Wax residue? I have considered just touching the inside of the neck or outside of bullets with Johnson's paste wax.
I know someone has tried it, but what are the results?
Re: Clean inside of neck with Nylon brush on Drill?
I do none of these.
My case resizing technique is a throwback to original BR techniques, whereby I back off my F/L die until it's only resizing about 1/16" to 1/8" of the end of the neck.
This technique only works best when rounds are singly hand fed.
Each loading cycle, I start out by adjusting the dies upward until a seated bullet can be rotated in the case neck with thumb and forefinger, then readjust back down just to the point where it can't. This gives a controllable, verifiable, and repeatable neck tension value for every loading.
I do not jam bullets into the rifling, either.
This reduces neck/bullet contact area to the point where the interior finish is immaterial.
The unsized portion of the neck remains expanded to chamber diameter, centering the neck in the chamber better.
This also leaves the lower portion of the case wall fully expanded, centering it better, too. That portion of the case wall receives a bunch less work hardening, and may reduce tendencies toward case head separations.
Yes, shoulders occasionally need bumping; in my case, 5-6 reloadings apart or so. This will decrease with hotter loads.
Greg
I do none of these.
My case resizing technique is a throwback to original BR techniques, whereby I back off my F/L die until it's only resizing about 1/16" to 1/8" of the end of the neck.
This technique only works best when rounds are singly hand fed.
Each loading cycle, I start out by adjusting the dies upward until a seated bullet can be rotated in the case neck with thumb and forefinger, then readjust back down just to the point where it can't. This gives a controllable, verifiable, and repeatable neck tension value for every loading.
I do not jam bullets into the rifling, either.
This reduces neck/bullet contact area to the point where the interior finish is immaterial.
The unsized portion of the neck remains expanded to chamber diameter, centering the neck in the chamber better.
This also leaves the lower portion of the case wall fully expanded, centering it better, too. That portion of the case wall receives a bunch less work hardening, and may reduce tendencies toward case head separations.
Yes, shoulders occasionally need bumping; in my case, 5-6 reloadings apart or so. This will decrease with hotter loads.
Greg
Re: Clean inside of neck with Nylon brush on Drill?
I use whatever is on sale at the time. After I wear one out, I buy what is on sale. I don't notice a difference. I like the bronze better, because I like metal more than plastic. Just a personal thing though.
I use whatever is on sale at the time. After I wear one out, I buy what is on sale. I don't notice a difference. I like the bronze better, because I like metal more than plastic. Just a personal thing though.
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My techniques are for F Class and other controlled target shooting applications.
For hunting I would rarely even be considering using anything but a commercial hunting load. No sense in reinventing my own personal version of a whole bunch of perfectly good wheels.
Greg
My techniques are for F Class and other controlled target shooting applications.
For hunting I would rarely even be considering using anything but a commercial hunting load. No sense in reinventing my own personal version of a whole bunch of perfectly good wheels.
Greg
Re: Clean inside of neck with Nylon brush on Drill?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
For hunting I would rarely even be considering using anything but a commercial hunting load. No sense in reinventing my own personal version of a whole bunch of perfectly good wheels.
Greg </div></div>
There are LOTS of hunters who wouldn't even dream of using commercial loads for hunting and are perfectly happy tailoring a load to their rifle...I'm one of 'em.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
For hunting I would rarely even be considering using anything but a commercial hunting load. No sense in reinventing my own personal version of a whole bunch of perfectly good wheels.
Greg </div></div>
There are LOTS of hunters who wouldn't even dream of using commercial loads for hunting and are perfectly happy tailoring a load to their rifle...I'm one of 'em.
Re: Clean inside of neck with Nylon brush on Drill?
I have nothing against that.
I just don't do enough hunting to make the load development process pay off. I have never had a commercial load that failed to do what I needed from it.
Mostly I use Rem 150gr Core-Lokt Express .30-'06. Tried 165's and 180's too, but the 150's did the job and my light rifle handled it better. Win CXP and Hornady Custom have also delivered nicely for me.
Ammo companies make their bread and butter on hunting loads. The thing that keeps them afloat is repeat business from satisfied customers.
Folks want to improve on that, I can get behind that too. I just don't have a personal need is all.
Greg
I have nothing against that.
I just don't do enough hunting to make the load development process pay off. I have never had a commercial load that failed to do what I needed from it.
Mostly I use Rem 150gr Core-Lokt Express .30-'06. Tried 165's and 180's too, but the 150's did the job and my light rifle handled it better. Win CXP and Hornady Custom have also delivered nicely for me.
Ammo companies make their bread and butter on hunting loads. The thing that keeps them afloat is repeat business from satisfied customers.
Folks want to improve on that, I can get behind that too. I just don't have a personal need is all.
Greg
Re: Clean inside of neck with Nylon brush on Drill?
To the op, I use nylon exclusively on the inside of my necks. I have used bronze while they worked well, after some use the bristles started to fall out and would end up in the case. I use a nylon brush that has been retired from bore cleaning and find they will be good until the next brush gets retired from bore cleaning. I have found the brand is very important in terms of quality, I like the Montana Extreme brand. I think the bronze starts to fall apart b/c the material is not as malleable as the nylon and when you turn the brush around in the neck it will eventually break the bristles. Its usually the bottom 1/3 of the bristles that fall out. I was using the brushes in a drill motor but have found its just as easy and effective to do it by hand on a RCBS handle (as stated above).
To the op, I use nylon exclusively on the inside of my necks. I have used bronze while they worked well, after some use the bristles started to fall out and would end up in the case. I use a nylon brush that has been retired from bore cleaning and find they will be good until the next brush gets retired from bore cleaning. I have found the brand is very important in terms of quality, I like the Montana Extreme brand. I think the bronze starts to fall apart b/c the material is not as malleable as the nylon and when you turn the brush around in the neck it will eventually break the bristles. Its usually the bottom 1/3 of the bristles that fall out. I was using the brushes in a drill motor but have found its just as easy and effective to do it by hand on a RCBS handle (as stated above).
Re: Clean inside of neck with Nylon brush on Drill?
Greg,
SACRILEGE!!
Sorry, I couldn't help myself. The only reason I handload is for hunting. I agree there are a lot of good loads out there, but being a "never-satisfied-accuracy-perfectionist-gun-nut", I have to squeeze every bit out for that once in a lifetime shoot. Thanks for the info.
Greg,
SACRILEGE!!
Sorry, I couldn't help myself. The only reason I handload is for hunting. I agree there are a lot of good loads out there, but being a "never-satisfied-accuracy-perfectionist-gun-nut", I have to squeeze every bit out for that once in a lifetime shoot. Thanks for the info.
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I consider hunting to be one of the more potentially hazardous applications of firearms. The opportunity for unintended consequences is not the same as when shooting on a range under more controlled conditions. Once the trigger is pulled; that bullet is going to hit something; every time. There's more out there in the bush then any of us ever get to see.
Should mishap occur, I would not want to be sitting ugly on a witness stand trying to explain to a hostile trial lawyer that my homemade ammunition played no part in his client(s') injuries.
Terms like "never-satisfied-accuracy-perfectionist-gun-nut" could play out counter to my best interests.
I appreciate the zeal of the aficionado and the pride of accomplishment. I also understand that my crystal ball tends to be cloudy in some important areas. In areas of doubt, I cling to the "prudent man" rule. At least with commercial ammunition, there's one less burden of proof to shoulder. "Liability; it's not just for Snipers anymore...".
To each his own...
Greg
I consider hunting to be one of the more potentially hazardous applications of firearms. The opportunity for unintended consequences is not the same as when shooting on a range under more controlled conditions. Once the trigger is pulled; that bullet is going to hit something; every time. There's more out there in the bush then any of us ever get to see.
Should mishap occur, I would not want to be sitting ugly on a witness stand trying to explain to a hostile trial lawyer that my homemade ammunition played no part in his client(s') injuries.
Terms like "never-satisfied-accuracy-perfectionist-gun-nut" could play out counter to my best interests.
I appreciate the zeal of the aficionado and the pride of accomplishment. I also understand that my crystal ball tends to be cloudy in some important areas. In areas of doubt, I cling to the "prudent man" rule. At least with commercial ammunition, there's one less burden of proof to shoulder. "Liability; it's not just for Snipers anymore...".
To each his own...
Greg
