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anyone have anything good or bad to say about a 3rd gen Colt SAA? looking for one thats in good condition and a good shooter. doesnt need to be perfect. trying to stay out of the older reload-only calibers like 38 WCF etc. In my pricerange and out of the fully antique collectible ranges leaves me with late model 2nd gens in 45 Colt and 3rd Gens in whatever caliber i generally want to find.

any advice on what to hunt for?
 
Could also try calling Pack and Post, Lancaster, MA 978-368-0910

Tell whoever answers Phil the fired Trooper suggested you call and ask what they have in inventory.

If Erin answers she probably won't be able to help. You really want to speak with Joe.
 
Could also try calling Pack and Post, Lancaster, MA 978-368-0910

Tell whoever answers Phil the fired Trooper suggested you call and ask what they have in inventory.

If Erin answers she probably won't be able to help. You really want to speak with Joe.

thanks, bud. still have their contact from when we talked about a Winchester before. i didnt end up pulling the trigger on that one, but if he knows Colts, i am all ears.
 
thanks, bud. still have their contact from when we talked about a Winchester before. i didnt end up pulling the trigger on that one, but if he knows Colts, i am all ears.

He usually has a half dozen or more in stock.

Period guns.

I'll see if I have pictures of what has been there in the past....stand by.
 
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anyone have anything good or bad to say about a 3rd gen Colt SAA? looking for one thats in good condition and a good shooter. doesnt need to be perfect. trying to stay out of the older reload-only calibers like 38 WCF etc. In my pricerange and out of the fully antique collectible ranges leaves me with late model 2nd gens in 45 Colt and 3rd Gens in whatever caliber i generally want to find.

any advice on what to hunt for?
What is your price range?
 
Under $2375
Larry’s pistol and pawn in Huntsville, AL had a couple of them, new production NIB, for $2400. A little high, but brand spanking new.

You should have no issues finding a good, used 2nd or 3rd generation for under your price. You’ll just need a bit of patience. A lot of safe queens out there so it’s easy to find unfired used guns for sale. To me, a gun is considered used once it is transferred from the FFL to the purchaser.
 
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Larry’s pistol and pawn in Huntsville, AL had a couple of them, new production NIB, for $2400. A little high, but brand spanking new.

You should have no issues finding a good, used 2nd or 3rd generation for under your price. You’ll just need a bit of patience. A lot of safe queens out there so it’s easy to find unfired used guns for sale. To me, a gun is considered used once it is transferred from the FFL to the purchaser.

Ok good, I think I can find a gently used 3rd generation under $2k pretty easy.

I need a companion for my Ruger 3 screw flattop and I'm craving that C-O-L-T clicking
 
Ok good, I think I can find a gently used 3rd generation under $2k pretty easy.

I need a companion for my Ruger 3 screw flattop and I'm craving that C-O-L-T clicking
Under 2k is doable. Will take patience though, lol. I’d also ask for an inspection period on used guns of buying online. Also, my preference would be 3rs Generation. Avoid guns made during the strike years.
 
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I'd probably avoid most of the 3rd gen stuff made before about 1993 or so. Ive got a 2007 SAA made for a custom order (has the "Z" suffix on model number).

What many don't realize is that the SAA can often be a regular production line gun...meaning that the same people who slap their mass produced pistols together can also assemble the SAA. Not exactly what one wants to hear when prices exceed $2K. One used to be able to ensure that the pistol went through the custom shop at Colt by making a custom order (consecutive serial numbers, special features even as simple as wood/ivory grips etc...). Those guns received a "Z" suffix. It eliminated having to guess which side of the factory made your gun. The "white box" or "blue box" association with the custom shop is not an accurate method all of the time.

I wouldn't say that all of the early 3rd generation guns are junk. Its just that some of the parts were modernized, like one-piece cylinder bushings. Plus the fitment can be hit or miss...but usually the guns work fine. Again though, when prices edge past the $2K mark, do you really want a gun that is fit together no different or better than a Uberti?

.357s, followed by .45 are usually the least expensive too.

While they aren't as refined, all of my three screw Blackhawks have four distinct clicks to them too, even though the design is different. If you have fewer, I'd guess there was a good chance at conversion to a transfer bar. I really love the old model (and unconverted) Blackhawk. Until two years ago when they finally caught the attention of collectors, they were the best deal going for many years...still are a great gun for the money IMO.

For around or a bit north of $2K, you might find a gently used Freedom Arms model 83. I have an 83 and 97, and while the 97 is a superb piece, the action design on the 83 (no transfer bar) lends to a smoother gun.

I saw a suggestion for a Standard Manufacturing above...might not be a bad option either, but I have zero first hand experience with one.

Best of luck.
 
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I'd probably avoid most of the 3rd gen stuff made before about 1993 or so. Ive got a 2007 SAA made for a custom order (has the "Z" suffix on model number).

What many don't realize is that the SAA can often be a regular production line gun...meaning that the same people who slap their mass produced pistols together can also assemble the SAA. Not exactly what one wants to hear when prices exceed $2K. One used to be able to ensure that the pistol went through the custom shop at Colt by making a custom order (consecutive serial numbers, special features even as simple as wood/ivory grips etc...). Those guns received a "Z" suffix. It eliminated having to guess which side of the factory made your gun. The "white box" or "blue box" association with the custom shop is not an accurate method all of the time.

I wouldn't say that all of the early 3rd generation guns are junk. Its just that some of the parts were modernized, like one-piece cylinder bushings. Plus the fitment can be hit or miss...but usually the guns work fine. Again though, when prices edge past the $2K mark, do you really want a gun that is fit together no different or better than a Uberti?

.357s, followed by .45 are usually the least expensive too.

While they aren't as refined, all of my three screw Blackhawks have four distinct clicks to them too, even though the design is different. If you have fewer, I'd guess there was a good chance at conversion to a transfer bar. I really love the old model (and unconverted) Blackhawk. Until two years ago when they finally caught the attention of collectors, they were the best deal going for many years...still are a great gun for the money IMO.

For around or a bit north of $2K, you might find a gently used Freedom Arms model 83. I have an 83 and 97, and while the 97 is a superb piece, the action design on the 83 (no transfer bar) lends to a smoother gun.

I saw a suggestion for a Standard Manufacturing above...might not be a bad option either, but I have zero first hand experience with one.

Best of luck.

My Ruger had the transfer bar done. I still have the original parts too so it could go back to original
 
My Ruger had the transfer bar done. I still have the original parts too so it could go back to original

I remember reading all those notices in field and stream when I was a kid.....It was like "If you own this Ruger it will kill you. send it to us and we will stop it from killing you!"
 
Those birds head grip models are the lightning, thunderer, and rainmaker series. They are fairly small pistols and do not generally make good shooters. They are prone to breaking if fired in double action(they were colts first attempt at a Sa/Da revolver in the late 1870s. You see more lightning models than any other. Neat little blasters for sure
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I'd probably avoid most of the 3rd gen stuff made before about 1993 or so. Ive got a 2007 SAA made for a custom order (has the "Z" suffix on model number).

What many don't realize is that the SAA can often be a regular production line gun...meaning that the same people who slap their mass produced pistols together can also assemble the SAA. Not exactly what one wants to hear when prices exceed $2K. One used to be able to ensure that the pistol went through the custom shop at Colt by making a custom order (consecutive serial numbers, special features even as simple as wood/ivory grips etc...). Those guns received a "Z" suffix. It eliminated having to guess which side of the factory made your gun. The "white box" or "blue box" association with the custom shop is not an accurate method all of the time.

I wouldn't say that all of the early 3rd generation guns are junk. Its just that some of the parts were modernized, like one-piece cylinder bushings. Plus the fitment can be hit or miss...but usually the guns work fine. Again though, when prices edge past the $2K mark, do you really want a gun that is fit together no different or better than a Uberti?

.357s, followed by .45 are usually the least expensive too.

While they aren't as refined, all of my three screw Blackhawks have four distinct clicks to them too, even though the design is different. If you have fewer, I'd guess there was a good chance at conversion to a transfer bar. I really love the old model (and unconverted) Blackhawk. Until two years ago when they finally caught the attention of collectors, they were the best deal going for many years...still are a great gun for the money IMO.

For around or a bit north of $2K, you might find a gently used Freedom Arms model 83. I have an 83 and 97, and while the 97 is a superb piece, the action design on the 83 (no transfer bar) lends to a smoother gun.

I saw a suggestion for a Standard Manufacturing above...might not be a bad option either, but I have zero first hand experience with one.

Best of luck.
I came to post the same. I find the 97 a more comfortable gun to shoot than the 83, but if this is a shooter and not a collector, it's pretty ard to do better than Freedom Arms.
 
If your heart is after a Genuine Colt, with 4 clicks, then get it.

If you just want for clicks then a spaghetti Colt will get you that for another $600. I’d get one of the ones that come factory tuned.

Transfer bar guns will not scratch the itch.

My Colt’s are all shooters now. Keep a set of screw drivers on you though, lol.
 
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What about USFA? They seem to be quality
They are very high quality. Especially the all U.S. made ones, but you’re going to pay the same for a high condition USFA as you are for a Colt’s. Once you start to get in the price bracket of a USFA or Standard, you might as well get the real deal and buy the Colt’s.

Shoot it and enjoy. They aren’t fragile.
 
Get @Bigfatcock to fix you up with some manstocks.

@Charger442 when you make your buy, know we have a resident SAA grip maker..

He made me some sweet knife scales. Plain Jane and full of testosterone...the way I asked them to be.

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Hopefully they are still holding up well!

I’ve always preferred the factory hard rubber stocks that come with Colt’s. Their walnut one piece and two piece stocks are usually poorly finished.

One thing to check on two piece grips is to ensure they weren’t over tightened. This can cause cracking in both the hard rubber and really any natural grip material.

I’m pretty sure the lady they use to over tighten 1911 grip screws also attaches the SAA two piece grips, lol.
 
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Hopefully they are still holding up well!

I’ve always preferred the factory hard rubber stocks that come with Colt’s. Their walnut one piece and two piece stocks are usually poorly finished.

One thing to check on two piece grips is to ensure they weren’t over tightened. This can cause cracking in both the hard rubber and really any natural grip material.

I’m pretty sure the lady they use to over tighten 1911 grip screws also attaches the SAA two piece grips, lol.

I'm not going to argue with this. My factory Colt wood stocks were poorly fitted and the finish left some to be desired.

Not wanting to alter the way anything looked due to collector value, I refiit and refinished the grips with just enough layers of boiled linseed oil to get it back to the factory-level shine. I doubt anyone could ever tell that it's been screwed with if I kept my mouth shut...and I want it that way.

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There should be no gap between the cylinder frame and the grip.

I started seeing it about 10 years ago. Grips seemed to be finished with just one coat of thinned varnish. They just looked and felt bone dry and thirsty. I’m sure it wasn’t all that came out in that period, but it’s been the majority of ones I’ve seen in person in the last decade.

Perspective though. You might only see 1 or you might see over 5 BNIB Colt’s SAA in a given year.

Best thing they did was take them out of a custom shop only item and put them on faster pipeline. Colt’s lost the majority of the market not because of cost, but because of availability.

ETA:Below is a Ruger Vaquero, but the fitment is the same.

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They are very high quality. Especially the all U.S. made ones, but you’re going to pay the same for a high condition USFA as you are for a Colt’s. Once you start to get in the price bracket of a USFA or Standard, you might as well get the real deal and buy the Colt’s.

Shoot it and enjoy. They aren’t fragile.

Pop quiz, hot shot......... 44 special, 45 colt, or 357 magnum? the more i read and keep looking around, the more im very tempted on either 44 special or 45 colt, much better selection in barrel lengths and different generations.
 
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I have a lot of Colt SAAs. My father was a collector, and I have not parted with a single one.

Honestly, if you are going to shoot it and not keep it as a gold coin an early Ruger Vaquero is a much more affordable and better (to shoot) gun IMO, and if you are intent on spending thousands of dollars and want the superlative then find a used Texas Longhorn Arms, Grover Improved. I've been close to buying one several times over the years, but the timing always wasn't right for me to drop that much on a six shooter.


 
can you expand on that and any reasons in that over the 44 special? just personal preference? would really like to hear your thoughts on that caliber.
45 Colt is my preference.

You’ll usually find accuracy easier with the 44 special and 357/38 special cartridges.

45 Colt tends to have 454-456 chamber mouths. Normally shoot best with .454 diameter cast bullets. Also, the cylinders tend to taper towards the chamber mouth. Can be hell on sizing brass, lol. The guns are also normally regulated for aim at 75 yards, lol.

Even with those flies, 45 Colt is my hands down favorite. It’s a historic caliber responsible for dirt napping many people.
 
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45 Colt SAA revolvers are perfectly safe with any SAAMI loads. The original load of 250 gr bullet over 40 gr black powder is nothing to sneeze at. It was dialed back to 35 grains and even 28 grains in some loads.

The original 45 Colt load feels like shooting a magnum. Have to use a drop tube a good bit of compression to fit 40 gr in a current cases with a 255 gr bullet. 37 gr black powder is my go to load.

Metallurgy is much better since Elmer was blowing up revolvers.

If you want to hot rod the 45 Colt, buy a Large frame vaquero, Blackhawk, redhawk, etc.

357 balances weird due to the amount of metal in the barrel.

A 255 gr lead bullet at 900-950 Will dirt nap just about anything you want.

The RCBS 45-270-SAA is a real heavy hitter and actually made for the SAA. Hits high though due to the heavier weight.

There is a ton more to it between the lines of what I wrote, but don’t feel like typing a history lesson on my phone.
 
I love the shit out of people NOT reading my posts after the first line. To quote

“This really has nothing to do with Kieth or stouter loads, but has a lot to do with an extra measure of safety.”

And that’s why I made a recommendation that was asked for. Nothing more nothing less.
I don’t think I disparaged anything you posted.