Sidearms & Scatterguns concealed carry VS. open carry ????????

[Veer_G]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I guess once a year its a necessary evil to have a repeat debate. </div></div>

Coming soon, the quarterly meeting of the 9MM vs. .45 ACP Forensic Society ...

 

[pdogsbeware]

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Ok Veer, that was pretty damn funny haha But hey, it's better than "What scope is best for 1000 yards? I have 300 dollars to spend."

 

[Veer_G]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pdogsbeware</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok Veer, that was pretty damn funny haha But hey, it's better than "What scope is best for 1000 yards? I have 300 dollars to spend." </div></div>

Yeah, because that's just the typically pathetic stuff you read here on a regular basis.

By the way, the answer is binary: a Bushnell 3200 10X and steadfast prayer.

 

[Strykervet]

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I always carry. It is pretty popular up here in WA actually. Hell, even my wife carries. We both conceal, open carry is too much trouble. You have to, well you SHOULD, keep a constant vigil on it if you open carry. Anyone can walk up and take it from behind. It amazes me how many open carry and wear non-retention rigs too. Such as open top holsters without even so much as a strap, and in crowded public places. Stupid. Only time I open carry is when I attend a protest, and that is usually with a retention holster and an unloaded pistol. Such as in that Starbucks incident that made it real big a year or so ago --cops got called on a guy for open carrying. They ran him off with threats. But they didn't run off the thirty or so that showed up the next week open carrying. So for protests, open carry is the way to go.

For real defensive carry, concealed is the way to go. Element of surprise, blending in, not attracting attention, all that goes in your favor. See, if you are confronted open carry, you have a bigger problem. That person likely saw your weapon prior to confronting you and they are either stupid or have a trick up their sleeve. Either way, that situation doesn't sound pleasant.

Open carry attracts people. Drunks wanting to start shit because "you think you are so badass you walk around armed" or cops that the sheeple called because you, openly armed, HAVE to be a terrorist, or you could simply just run across a dick cop that knows nothing about the law yet enforces it anyway. No shortage of those. Or kids that want to know all about you piece. Or department store clerks that ask you to leave because everyone knows open carry is illegal. Or any of the other numerous assholes you have to deal with that know shit about carry.

Yeah, unless you are protesting anti-gun shit, concealed is the way to go. If confrontation is what you are trying to avoid, then open carry is the last thing you want to do.

 

[Twisted .308]

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I would like to see Texas pass Open Carry .
why ?
I like to carry my 1911 , and there are times I leave it at home or in the vehicle due to clothing I am wearing will not conceal without Profiling ...
Open Carry Law .... & still using concealment when appropriate would make things alot easier

 

[csi:cyberspace]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pdogsbeware</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why don't CIA operatives wear t-shirts that say "CIA" on them? Shouldn't that be a deterrent letting people know that they are highly trained professionals? Yes I know, not a completely fair analogy, but you get the point.

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Using that logic, clear presence of uniformed officers is not a deterrent to crime either.... and I think we all know that's not the case.

To preface further comments, I <span style="font-weight: bold">choose</span> concealed carry for myself. However, I have serious issues with those who are against open carry. The thing is, when it comes to legislation, the masses get their way. Politicians do what's popular. When we as responsible gun owners allow the general public to view guns as "evil" or instruments of crime, we ultimately get a society of gun-fearing wusses. My point, if gays, lesbians, atheists, [insert ANY other special interest group you choose here] gains public acceptance by "coming out of the closet", why are so many hell-bent on putting their guns IN the closet? If you choose to carry concealed for a "tactical" advantage, or just because you don't want someone to see your $1000 gun and drool over it - fine. That's YOUR choice, for YOUR reasons. But just because open carry isn't right for YOU, leave the other guy who finds it the correct choice for THEM the hell alone.

Oh, and veer, when you can find time between fondling your Glock, fill out your profile per the rules around here before you attack other members.

 

[bmk]

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I think it depends. Personally, I prefer concealed carry. I think I would get some wierd looks if I walked around with my stainless 1911 on my hip, open carry style.

On the other hand, for certain people, in certain occupations, open carry makes more sense. While I was in college, I worked for an armored car and security company. Although those boys were not officers of the law, they wore uniforms and always open carried.

The difference, I think, is that a doctor, lawyer, car salesman is less desirable to his customers if he is open carrying a handgun. However, an armored car driver or security contractor is more desirable to his customers and clients if he is open carrying.

Open carry would obviously be more effective at deturring threats, and would allow a person to carry a more effective weapon, but the wierd looks aren't worth it for me.

 

[Longshot38]

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Since everyone has expressed the their thoughts both for and against open carry (again). I'll put my two cents in here. I'll start by saying I neither endorse nor condone either method. Both have a place and time and we can sit here and make up hypotheticals all day. However I will make this perfectly clear in the beginning, I despise and hate any mandate from the government that dictates the method which one must carry their firearm, it simply isn't the place of the government to dictate this. With that being said on to the topic at hand.

Open carry is one of those things that has as many stanch advocates as disbelievers. And as with all other things it has a time and place. However most states simply can't see past the urban environment. And most people have no experience beyond that environment either. Hints the attitudes towards this. So lets look at things from this perspective. I take multiday adventures into undeveloped areas on a regular basis and while on these adventures I carry at minimum a side arm. So in this instance concealed carry is completely pointless and I'd rather have my sidearm in a drop leg due how my pack rides. However due to state regulations around here I can't, it must be concealed. And for what reason? Is the state concerned about my raising panic and alarm with all half dozen people I might make contact with during that time? No, rather it is because if you are in an urban environment CC makes more sense. And one more example/scenario for good measure. When I lived local to my grandparents farm it was common place for me to be out doing run-n-gun scenarios and multi-gun drills during which I spent most of time utilizing a chest rig and drop leg. When I left the farm what would be wrong with me leaving a drop leg on and stopping by a store for a Gatorade on the way home? Nothing, but again state law did not allow for open carry. However when laws such as this are passed the squeaky wheel gets the grease and the most squeaking comes from urban area due to population density. Hints the law is made to conform to the standards of polite society in these instances and not the few that prefer to live away from people.

As for concealed carry. It is the most common method of carry in the US by far. And in many cases it makes sense for numerous reasons. But does this mean that it is the only correct method? Absolutely not. It only means that it is the most appropriate method most of the time. And to this point I do not disagree. However one of the most common arguments you hear is a scenario where a BG bust into business and starts shooting all the open carry guys before getting on with his business. All while the concealed carry guys end the scenario because they were not made. Well this scenario carries some merit but not to the extent that CC proponents make it out to be. First off we have to understand that the majority of criminals are stupid and have no concept tactics, thus only the pros are going to bust into their target building and start checking for armed resistance. Secondly lets say the BG does start checking for armed resistance when they enter the target business. What do you suppose the reaction will be when they realize that everyone in the business is armed? I'd bet a months pay that the BG would quickly reconsider their actions. But enough about this scenario back the issue of CC. Why is it we think that the state needs to mandate our method of carry? This should be a decision based up the person with the firearm(s), not someone in an office who does not spend any time the life of the individual. And why is it that some believe CC to the only viable method?

So enough rambling. My point is that this debate is not about which method is correct all the time. Rather it is a debate about which method is correct for the situation and why we are allowing states the dicated the method(s) in which we choice to carry.

 

[Force_Multiplier]

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^^^ AMEN

 

[robbf213]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twisted .308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would like to see Texas pass Open Carry .
why ?
I like to carry my 1911 , and there are times I leave it at home or in the vehicle due to clothing I am wearing will not conceal without Profiling ...
Open Carry Law .... & still using concealment when appropriate would make things alot easier </div></div>

So what, if it prints some. As long as its done without "cause to alarm" there's no problem.

 

[opshin556]

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The concept of concealed carry is just that, "concealed".
The element of surprise is huge in a gunfight, especially at average distances in which a LE officer or CCW carry sitrap will engage a badguy.
The average gunfight per FBI stats who keep track of all this, was 3.5 yards and the gunfight ended with an average of 3 rounds being fired.
Being that close, 3.5 yards/10.5 feet, you are at a huge advantage if the badguy who is presumed armed with blade, blunt force object or firearm, does not know you are armed.
Most untrained combatants can cover 10.5' in less time than it takes most trained combatants time to deploy weapon system.
Which translates into an open carry situation being a liability to the wearer.
Yes, it may discourage some less bold types, but there are some who train in America's modern gladiator camps, (PRISON), on how to disarm a LE officer up close and have done just that at bad breath distances.
Therefore a logical conclusion would be unless you are wearing a badge with a partner, your best chances of carrying and deploying a handgun as a weapon system is concealed.
Its elementary my dear Watson.

 

[kimberseries1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bornhunter04</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Would OC be easier in terms of wardrobe/no printing? Hell yes. </div></div>

This is what I'd prefer. I'd CC, but I don't want to buy a new wardrobe, so if my Govt. 1911 prints or shows when I bend over, an open carry law keeps the greif off me, the better off for all. If someone wants to open carry a Magnum Research .44 with scope & suppressor attached, more power to 'em, hehehe.

<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">This is what Liberty is all about. The "Option" for someone to OC if they want, or CC if they want.</span></span>

BTW, didn't everyone Open Carry until we became "civilized"?

"Check your guns at the Sheriff's office on the way into town" for some towns. "Wear 'em on 'yer hip" in other towns.

"Don't take your guns to town, son".

 

[Longshot38]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: opshin556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The concept of concealed carry is just that, "concealed".
The element of surprise is huge in a gunfight, especially at average distances in which a LE officer or CCW carry sitrap will engage a badguy.
The average gunfight per FBI stats who keep track of all this, was 3.5 yards and the gunfight ended with an average of 3 rounds being fired.
Being that close, 3.5 yards/10.5 feet, you are at a huge advantage if the badguy who is presumed armed with blade, blunt force object or firearm, does not know you are armed.
Most untrained combatants can cover 10.5' in less time than it takes most trained combatants time to deploy weapon system.
Which translates into an open carry situation being a liability to the wearer.
Yes, it may discourage some less bold types, but there are some who train in America's modern gladiator camps, (PRISON), on how to disarm a LE officer up close and have done just that at bad breath distances.
Therefore a logical conclusion would be unless you are wearing a badge with a partner, your best chances of carrying and deploying a handgun as a weapon system is concealed.
Its elementary my dear Watson. </div></div>

So what you are saying is that in order to protect people from themselves we should have the government mandate concealed carry? This is a debate that has been had over and over. And it seems that people believe we should legislate stupidity rather then allow people to be stupid. This train of thought is contradictory to the principals of Freedom and Liberty.

Also you are throwing out statistics without context, and very dangerous thing. Remember that the situation dictates the tactics. Hints my previous post. Like I said before I support the right to carry but a government mandate on method is not appropriate. And we can sit here and come up with scenarios all day long about what can happen, what will likely happen, and what we plan to happen, but none of it does us any good until something does happen.

So yes, it most cases CC is the best method of carry, but it DOES NOT fit every and all situations. And situation my friend is what dictates tactics, not the other way around.

 

[Infinity]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i conceal carry the dildo of death, but open carry the chain that affixes to it to retrofit it into the dildo mace of death </div></div>
Sir, you're ridiculous and I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts.

 

[marduk185]

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ak's are better than m16's