Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
I swear that post was not on the page when I read every post from his up! Oops... Lol
I swear that post was not on the page when I read every post from his up! Oops... Lol
Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
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Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
How many times? None!
Do I look like a guy who would let some cat do that?
Primarily because the only way that would happen is if I were standing in line asleep. </div></div>
I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying you have the worlds fastest reaction time and no one could possibly land a shot on you?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
How many times? None!
Do I look like a guy who would let some cat do that?
Primarily because the only way that would happen is if I were standing in line asleep. </div></div>
I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying you have the worlds fastest reaction time and no one could possibly land a shot on you?
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It's just all so silly. This 'duke it out' rubbish.
I played a lot of rugby, I was part of the 'forwards', that means I played most of the game with my face and then the fun stuff with the shaven headed brigade... I've taken hits, sucker punches and given a few as well. If I have a CCW on me and some dude punches me, he'll be seeing the business end of the gun and a one time invitation to calm the fuck down.
I find QQ's position to be baffling. In response to someone pulling a gun defending themselves you'd be ready to shoot them with YOUR CCW? And if they should miss in the course of defending themselves and hit you/loved one you'd open fire on them?... so what if YOU miss? You're open season by your own logic. Meanwhile the original attacker is thinking, "sweet, he shot the dude I attacked...!" yeah, a real win-win...
Just dumb. Why not pull your CCW and stop the assault before it escalates? It's to preserve life, not exact vengeance on the wrong guy.
It's just all so silly. This 'duke it out' rubbish.
I played a lot of rugby, I was part of the 'forwards', that means I played most of the game with my face and then the fun stuff with the shaven headed brigade... I've taken hits, sucker punches and given a few as well. If I have a CCW on me and some dude punches me, he'll be seeing the business end of the gun and a one time invitation to calm the fuck down.
I find QQ's position to be baffling. In response to someone pulling a gun defending themselves you'd be ready to shoot them with YOUR CCW? And if they should miss in the course of defending themselves and hit you/loved one you'd open fire on them?... so what if YOU miss? You're open season by your own logic. Meanwhile the original attacker is thinking, "sweet, he shot the dude I attacked...!" yeah, a real win-win...
Just dumb. Why not pull your CCW and stop the assault before it escalates? It's to preserve life, not exact vengeance on the wrong guy.
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After thinking this over a bit, I believe the man with the gun was in the wrong. He should be arrested for thoughtcrime and be reprimanded by the Ministry of Love. That'll teach him to not think about shooting someone ever again.
After thinking this over a bit, I believe the man with the gun was in the wrong. He should be arrested for thoughtcrime and be reprimanded by the Ministry of Love. That'll teach him to not think about shooting someone ever again.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's sweet that you guys are 'friends'.
I support your right to marry and have same sex benefits.
I don't retract, change or backpeddle on anything I've said. You and Slap are more concerned about your self interest and imposition of personal views through the mis-use of the authority given to you by the public. People like Broker are unfortunately a dime a dozen - the sheep mentality is not exclusive to the entitlement class, it's also amongst those who have 'uniform fever'.
Broker already showed his ignorance by calling me out only to be told he himself was wrong. I've no interest in changing his or your mind. You're irrelevant. What's important is for others to know that your views are wrong, there is a better one and it happens to be the truth. In this case, the LE on the scene of the incident also saw the truth, one that you and your friends were uncomfortable with and tried very hard to suggest was wrong.
As for your insults, I find them hilarious that they come from the same people who suggested my insults to them were a sign of immaturity. </div></div>
WHAT FUCKING MIS-USE OF AUTHORITY??????? WHERE DID I SHOW DISCOMFORT IN THE DECISION OF THE POLICE?????? FACTS, PRESENT THEM OR SHUT THE FUCK UP! You are an immature moron, a dullard, nit-wit, dip shit, liar, retard, misguided, biased, hypocritical and self centered asshole all rolled into one single, FACTLESS tub of shit in front of a PC. If I were to no longer an officer, if I never was to begin with, you would still be all that! It has nothing to do with the news article, it has nothing to do with my profession. My so-called authority you claim I abuse has no bearing here, nor does it influence or skew how I look at you. Get it? LE has nothing to do with that. In your eyes it does. There are no sheep here. Broker, and I am sure a few others, are just as baffled as I am as to how you reach the thoughts and conclusions you have. I can honestly say I have never felt the need to convey a statement like this to a person on the web, but your ignorance has peaked to levels that I have yet to see. (and I tolerate some real ignorant people)
To the mods, I will apologize for putting this on here, I usually don't go this far and opt out of escalating most of these conflicts, but I had to get this out. If some time on the beach is in order, I understand, and take responsibility for it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's sweet that you guys are 'friends'.
I support your right to marry and have same sex benefits.
I don't retract, change or backpeddle on anything I've said. You and Slap are more concerned about your self interest and imposition of personal views through the mis-use of the authority given to you by the public. People like Broker are unfortunately a dime a dozen - the sheep mentality is not exclusive to the entitlement class, it's also amongst those who have 'uniform fever'.
Broker already showed his ignorance by calling me out only to be told he himself was wrong. I've no interest in changing his or your mind. You're irrelevant. What's important is for others to know that your views are wrong, there is a better one and it happens to be the truth. In this case, the LE on the scene of the incident also saw the truth, one that you and your friends were uncomfortable with and tried very hard to suggest was wrong.
As for your insults, I find them hilarious that they come from the same people who suggested my insults to them were a sign of immaturity. </div></div>
WHAT FUCKING MIS-USE OF AUTHORITY??????? WHERE DID I SHOW DISCOMFORT IN THE DECISION OF THE POLICE?????? FACTS, PRESENT THEM OR SHUT THE FUCK UP! You are an immature moron, a dullard, nit-wit, dip shit, liar, retard, misguided, biased, hypocritical and self centered asshole all rolled into one single, FACTLESS tub of shit in front of a PC. If I were to no longer an officer, if I never was to begin with, you would still be all that! It has nothing to do with the news article, it has nothing to do with my profession. My so-called authority you claim I abuse has no bearing here, nor does it influence or skew how I look at you. Get it? LE has nothing to do with that. In your eyes it does. There are no sheep here. Broker, and I am sure a few others, are just as baffled as I am as to how you reach the thoughts and conclusions you have. I can honestly say I have never felt the need to convey a statement like this to a person on the web, but your ignorance has peaked to levels that I have yet to see. (and I tolerate some real ignorant people)
To the mods, I will apologize for putting this on here, I usually don't go this far and opt out of escalating most of these conflicts, but I had to get this out. If some time on the beach is in order, I understand, and take responsibility for it.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
WHAT FUCKING MIS-USE OF AUTHORITY??????? WHERE DID I SHOW DISCOMFORT IN THE DECISION OF THE POLICE?????? FACTS, PRESENT THEM OR SHUT THE FUCK UP! You are an immature moron, a dullard, nit-wit, dip shit, liar, retard, misguided, biased, hypocritical and self centered asshole all rolled into one single, FACTLESS tub of shit in front of a PC. If I were to no longer an officer, if I never was to begin with, you would still be all that! It has nothing to do with the news article, it has nothing to do with my profession. My so-called authority you claim I abuse has no bearing here, nor does it influence or skew how I look at you. Get it? LE has nothing to do with that. In your eyes it does. There are no sheep here. Broker, and I am sure a few others, are just as baffled as I am as to how you reach the thoughts and conclusions you have. I can honestly say I have never felt the need to convey a statement like this to a person on the web, but your ignorance has peaked to levels that I have yet to see. (and I tolerate some real ignorant people)
To the mods, I will apologize for putting this on here, I usually don't go this far and opt out of escalating most of these conflicts, but I had to get this out. If some time on the beach is in order, I understand, and take responsibility for it. </div></div>
Holy cow. Grow up. If forum posts get you this worked up, you should probably seek some professional help. I dunno why that Roadhouse scene comes to mind when I read this post..What if he's calls my mother a whore?! Is she?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
WHAT FUCKING MIS-USE OF AUTHORITY??????? WHERE DID I SHOW DISCOMFORT IN THE DECISION OF THE POLICE?????? FACTS, PRESENT THEM OR SHUT THE FUCK UP! You are an immature moron, a dullard, nit-wit, dip shit, liar, retard, misguided, biased, hypocritical and self centered asshole all rolled into one single, FACTLESS tub of shit in front of a PC. If I were to no longer an officer, if I never was to begin with, you would still be all that! It has nothing to do with the news article, it has nothing to do with my profession. My so-called authority you claim I abuse has no bearing here, nor does it influence or skew how I look at you. Get it? LE has nothing to do with that. In your eyes it does. There are no sheep here. Broker, and I am sure a few others, are just as baffled as I am as to how you reach the thoughts and conclusions you have. I can honestly say I have never felt the need to convey a statement like this to a person on the web, but your ignorance has peaked to levels that I have yet to see. (and I tolerate some real ignorant people)
To the mods, I will apologize for putting this on here, I usually don't go this far and opt out of escalating most of these conflicts, but I had to get this out. If some time on the beach is in order, I understand, and take responsibility for it. </div></div>
Holy cow. Grow up. If forum posts get you this worked up, you should probably seek some professional help. I dunno why that Roadhouse scene comes to mind when I read this post..What if he's calls my mother a whore?! Is she?
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You have something to contribute? You're the last person that should pass judgement based on an emotional reaction on the web.
You have something to contribute? You're the last person that should pass judgement based on an emotional reaction on the web.
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Ok I'll contribute.
http://www.vitals.com/specialists/child-psychiatrists/nevada/las-vegas
http://local.yahoo.com/NV/North+Las+Vegas/Professional+Services/Sex/Escort+Services
Dunno which therapy would be most productive for you.
Ok I'll contribute.
http://www.vitals.com/specialists/child-psychiatrists/nevada/las-vegas
http://local.yahoo.com/NV/North+Las+Vegas/Professional+Services/Sex/Escort+Services
Dunno which therapy would be most productive for you.
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Wonder why it is that every thread like this ends with the rat getting all crazy defensive and begging people to "prove" their opinions. He always finds some way to make it all about him and his chronies.... I know 12 year old girls that are more secure with themselves.
Wonder why it is that every thread like this ends with the rat getting all crazy defensive and begging people to "prove" their opinions. He always finds some way to make it all about him and his chronies.... I know 12 year old girls that are more secure with themselves.
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I promise. A gun hater will google "crazy gun toters" and some of this stuff will pop up, and she'll write an article with quotes from a thread like this. Want to see the shtf? Watch what happens then.
Guys. This stuff is on the web forever. Think about that before pecking at keys please.
I promise. A gun hater will google "crazy gun toters" and some of this stuff will pop up, and she'll write an article with quotes from a thread like this. Want to see the shtf? Watch what happens then.
Guys. This stuff is on the web forever. Think about that before pecking at keys please.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Immorteq</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
WHAT FUCKING MIS-USE OF AUTHORITY??????? WHERE DID I SHOW DISCOMFORT IN THE DECISION OF THE POLICE?????? FACTS, PRESENT THEM OR SHUT THE FUCK UP! You are an immature moron, a dullard, nit-wit, dip shit, liar, retard, misguided, biased, hypocritical and self centered asshole all rolled into one single, FACTLESS tub of shit in front of a PC. If I were to no longer an officer, if I never was to begin with, you would still be all that! It has nothing to do with the news article, it has nothing to do with my profession. My so-called authority you claim I abuse has no bearing here, nor does it influence or skew how I look at you. Get it? LE has nothing to do with that. In your eyes it does. There are no sheep here. Broker, and I am sure a few others, are just as baffled as I am as to how you reach the thoughts and conclusions you have. I can honestly say I have never felt the need to convey a statement like this to a person on the web, but your ignorance has peaked to levels that I have yet to see. (and I tolerate some real ignorant people)
To the mods, I will apologize for putting this on here, I usually don't go this far and opt out of escalating most of these conflicts, but I had to get this out. If some time on the beach is in order, I understand, and take responsibility for it. </div></div>
Holy cow. Grow up. If forum posts get you this worked up, you should probably seek some professional help. I dunno why that Roadhouse scene comes to mind when I read this post..What if he's calls my mother a whore?! Is she? </div></div>
Maybe you should quit stalking DR and showing up every time to simply talk shit. You might not be getting "worked up" as him but judging by your numerous follow-up posts to his you seem to have some issues of your own. He's right. You're not really contributing anything except commenting to someones character who did not comment at you here in this thread.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Immorteq</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
WHAT FUCKING MIS-USE OF AUTHORITY??????? WHERE DID I SHOW DISCOMFORT IN THE DECISION OF THE POLICE?????? FACTS, PRESENT THEM OR SHUT THE FUCK UP! You are an immature moron, a dullard, nit-wit, dip shit, liar, retard, misguided, biased, hypocritical and self centered asshole all rolled into one single, FACTLESS tub of shit in front of a PC. If I were to no longer an officer, if I never was to begin with, you would still be all that! It has nothing to do with the news article, it has nothing to do with my profession. My so-called authority you claim I abuse has no bearing here, nor does it influence or skew how I look at you. Get it? LE has nothing to do with that. In your eyes it does. There are no sheep here. Broker, and I am sure a few others, are just as baffled as I am as to how you reach the thoughts and conclusions you have. I can honestly say I have never felt the need to convey a statement like this to a person on the web, but your ignorance has peaked to levels that I have yet to see. (and I tolerate some real ignorant people)
To the mods, I will apologize for putting this on here, I usually don't go this far and opt out of escalating most of these conflicts, but I had to get this out. If some time on the beach is in order, I understand, and take responsibility for it. </div></div>
Holy cow. Grow up. If forum posts get you this worked up, you should probably seek some professional help. I dunno why that Roadhouse scene comes to mind when I read this post..What if he's calls my mother a whore?! Is she? </div></div>
Maybe you should quit stalking DR and showing up every time to simply talk shit. You might not be getting "worked up" as him but judging by your numerous follow-up posts to his you seem to have some issues of your own. He's right. You're not really contributing anything except commenting to someones character who did not comment at you here in this thread.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I played a lot of rugby, I was part of the 'forwards', that means I played most of the game with my face and then the fun stuff with the shaven headed brigade... I've taken hits, sucker punches and given a few as well. If I have a CCW on me and some dude punches me, he'll be seeing the business end of the gun and a one time invitation to calm the fuck down.
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Why is it you constantly feel the need to quantify your statements with your past exploits? And being one of the "forwards" doesn't mean you're always taking the hits. I find it odd that you call it "forwards" when everyone I've ever played Rugby with states their actual position.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I played a lot of rugby, I was part of the 'forwards', that means I played most of the game with my face and then the fun stuff with the shaven headed brigade... I've taken hits, sucker punches and given a few as well. If I have a CCW on me and some dude punches me, he'll be seeing the business end of the gun and a one time invitation to calm the fuck down.
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Why is it you constantly feel the need to quantify your statements with your past exploits? And being one of the "forwards" doesn't mean you're always taking the hits. I find it odd that you call it "forwards" when everyone I've ever played Rugby with states their actual position.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Immorteq</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
WHAT FUCKING MIS-USE OF AUTHORITY??????? WHERE DID I SHOW DISCOMFORT IN THE DECISION OF THE POLICE?????? FACTS, PRESENT THEM OR SHUT THE FUCK UP! You are an immature moron, a dullard, nit-wit, dip shit, liar, retard, misguided, biased, hypocritical and self centered asshole all rolled into one single, FACTLESS tub of shit in front of a PC. If I were to no longer an officer, if I never was to begin with, you would still be all that! It has nothing to do with the news article, it has nothing to do with my profession. My so-called authority you claim I abuse has no bearing here, nor does it influence or skew how I look at you. Get it? LE has nothing to do with that. In your eyes it does. There are no sheep here. Broker, and I am sure a few others, are just as baffled as I am as to how you reach the thoughts and conclusions you have. I can honestly say I have never felt the need to convey a statement like this to a person on the web, but your ignorance has peaked to levels that I have yet to see. (and I tolerate some real ignorant people)
To the mods, I will apologize for putting this on here, I usually don't go this far and opt out of escalating most of these conflicts, but I had to get this out. If some time on the beach is in order, I understand, and take responsibility for it. </div></div>
Holy cow. Grow up. If forum posts get you this worked up, you should probably seek some professional help. I dunno why that Roadhouse scene comes to mind when I read this post..What if he's calls my mother a whore?! Is she? </div></div>
Maybe you should quit stalking DR and showing up every time to simply talk shit. You might not be getting "worked up" as him but judging by your numerous follow-up posts to his you seem to have some issues of your own. He's right. You're not really contributing anything except commenting to someones character who did not comment at you here in this thread. </div></div>
which is precisely what you've done.
On a broader note, I'm actually rather happy with DR's post. He's finally acknowledged that the victim did nothing wrong as evidenced by his denial that he's uncomfortable with the decision of the LE on the scene. In reference to the rant, well, we all need to blow off steam, I've been called worse by people who actually know me.
What's important to note, is that this isn't personal, I don't really care what the individuals think, what's important is the broader message - <span style="font-weight: bold">it's ok to defend yourself against physical assault with your legal CCW. </span>It's not overly 'sensitive' to think being punched in the manner this shopper was is potentially lethal - it's in fact sensible and LEGAL. The fact that the shopper merely pointed his firearm at the ground showed great awareness and judgement - he de-escalated the situation, no-one got hurt and everyone went home. He should be commended for doing just only enough to stop the violence.
Now, if DR and Slap would stop twisting the facts of the matter into fear-mongering with remarks such as 'draw down on a crowd of shoppers' and asking loaded questions in the manner of 'how would you like it if you were out shopping and this happened?'. We'd be getting even more progress achieved.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Immorteq</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
WHAT FUCKING MIS-USE OF AUTHORITY??????? WHERE DID I SHOW DISCOMFORT IN THE DECISION OF THE POLICE?????? FACTS, PRESENT THEM OR SHUT THE FUCK UP! You are an immature moron, a dullard, nit-wit, dip shit, liar, retard, misguided, biased, hypocritical and self centered asshole all rolled into one single, FACTLESS tub of shit in front of a PC. If I were to no longer an officer, if I never was to begin with, you would still be all that! It has nothing to do with the news article, it has nothing to do with my profession. My so-called authority you claim I abuse has no bearing here, nor does it influence or skew how I look at you. Get it? LE has nothing to do with that. In your eyes it does. There are no sheep here. Broker, and I am sure a few others, are just as baffled as I am as to how you reach the thoughts and conclusions you have. I can honestly say I have never felt the need to convey a statement like this to a person on the web, but your ignorance has peaked to levels that I have yet to see. (and I tolerate some real ignorant people)
To the mods, I will apologize for putting this on here, I usually don't go this far and opt out of escalating most of these conflicts, but I had to get this out. If some time on the beach is in order, I understand, and take responsibility for it. </div></div>
Holy cow. Grow up. If forum posts get you this worked up, you should probably seek some professional help. I dunno why that Roadhouse scene comes to mind when I read this post..What if he's calls my mother a whore?! Is she? </div></div>
Maybe you should quit stalking DR and showing up every time to simply talk shit. You might not be getting "worked up" as him but judging by your numerous follow-up posts to his you seem to have some issues of your own. He's right. You're not really contributing anything except commenting to someones character who did not comment at you here in this thread. </div></div>
which is precisely what you've done.
On a broader note, I'm actually rather happy with DR's post. He's finally acknowledged that the victim did nothing wrong as evidenced by his denial that he's uncomfortable with the decision of the LE on the scene. In reference to the rant, well, we all need to blow off steam, I've been called worse by people who actually know me.
What's important to note, is that this isn't personal, I don't really care what the individuals think, what's important is the broader message - <span style="font-weight: bold">it's ok to defend yourself against physical assault with your legal CCW. </span>It's not overly 'sensitive' to think being punched in the manner this shopper was is potentially lethal - it's in fact sensible and LEGAL. The fact that the shopper merely pointed his firearm at the ground showed great awareness and judgement - he de-escalated the situation, no-one got hurt and everyone went home. He should be commended for doing just only enough to stop the violence.
Now, if DR and Slap would stop twisting the facts of the matter into fear-mongering with remarks such as 'draw down on a crowd of shoppers' and asking loaded questions in the manner of 'how would you like it if you were out shopping and this happened?'. We'd be getting even more progress achieved.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">which is precisely what you've done.</div></div>
Right... Because I've been following DR and Slap around... Lol...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">which is precisely what you've done.</div></div>
Right... Because I've been following DR and Slap around... Lol...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The fact that the shopper merely pointed his firearm at the ground showed great awareness and judgement - he de-escalated the situation, no-one got hurt and everyone went home. He should be commended for doing just only enough to stop the violence.
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So you know for a FACT that he "pointed his weapon at the ground"? Were you there to witness this or is it more of your made up bullshit that spew in order to support your pathetic arguments?
If it is fact provide a source to prove it. If not, I still think the guy used poor judgement.
By the way, Broker doesn't follow me or anyone around that I'm aware of but since he thinks for himself and doesn't agree with your nonsense you feel the need to attack him. Typical of your type.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The fact that the shopper merely pointed his firearm at the ground showed great awareness and judgement - he de-escalated the situation, no-one got hurt and everyone went home. He should be commended for doing just only enough to stop the violence.
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So you know for a FACT that he "pointed his weapon at the ground"? Were you there to witness this or is it more of your made up bullshit that spew in order to support your pathetic arguments?
If it is fact provide a source to prove it. If not, I still think the guy used poor judgement.
By the way, Broker doesn't follow me or anyone around that I'm aware of but since he thinks for himself and doesn't agree with your nonsense you feel the need to attack him. Typical of your type.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
On a broader note, I'm actually rather happy with DR's post. He's finally acknowledged that the victim did nothing wrong as evidenced by his denial that he's uncomfortable with the decision of the LE on the scene. In reference to the rant, well, we all need to blow off steam, I've been called worse by people who actually know me.
What's important to note, is that this isn't personal, I don't really care what the individuals think, what's important is the broader message - <span style="font-weight: bold">it's ok to defend yourself against physical assault with your legal CCW. </span>It's not overly 'sensitive' to think being punched in the manner this shopper was is potentially lethal - it's in fact sensible and LEGAL. The fact that the shopper merely pointed his firearm at the ground showed great awareness and judgement - he de-escalated the situation, no-one got hurt and everyone went home. He should be commended for doing just only enough to stop the violence.
Now, if DR and Slap would stop twisting the facts of the matter into fear-mongering with remarks such as 'draw down on a crowd of shoppers' and asking loaded questions in the manner of 'how would you like it if you were out shopping and this happened?'. We'd be getting even more progress achieved.</div></div>
I have no idea where you are getting your info. I never made those posts, you have to be mentaly challenged to think there was some hidden message. You cannot provide proof of fear mongering, and your shit word is all we have to go by? FAIL.
ATHHUD, let me as you a question. What do you purpose when someone makes up shit about you in a depserate attempt to look like you have a point? Something I might add, that you have done.
I mean, in previous posts, you said its ok for soldiers to rape women as long as its wartime, and that as long as you have a gun, and your neighbor doesnt, you should be able to take his property, and you had no problem backing that up. Why is it when you and EH draw wild and factless conlusions and put words in my mouth, you choose to dance around it when you are called out?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
On a broader note, I'm actually rather happy with DR's post. He's finally acknowledged that the victim did nothing wrong as evidenced by his denial that he's uncomfortable with the decision of the LE on the scene. In reference to the rant, well, we all need to blow off steam, I've been called worse by people who actually know me.
What's important to note, is that this isn't personal, I don't really care what the individuals think, what's important is the broader message - <span style="font-weight: bold">it's ok to defend yourself against physical assault with your legal CCW. </span>It's not overly 'sensitive' to think being punched in the manner this shopper was is potentially lethal - it's in fact sensible and LEGAL. The fact that the shopper merely pointed his firearm at the ground showed great awareness and judgement - he de-escalated the situation, no-one got hurt and everyone went home. He should be commended for doing just only enough to stop the violence.
Now, if DR and Slap would stop twisting the facts of the matter into fear-mongering with remarks such as 'draw down on a crowd of shoppers' and asking loaded questions in the manner of 'how would you like it if you were out shopping and this happened?'. We'd be getting even more progress achieved.</div></div>
I have no idea where you are getting your info. I never made those posts, you have to be mentaly challenged to think there was some hidden message. You cannot provide proof of fear mongering, and your shit word is all we have to go by? FAIL.
ATHHUD, let me as you a question. What do you purpose when someone makes up shit about you in a depserate attempt to look like you have a point? Something I might add, that you have done.
I mean, in previous posts, you said its ok for soldiers to rape women as long as its wartime, and that as long as you have a gun, and your neighbor doesnt, you should be able to take his property, and you had no problem backing that up. Why is it when you and EH draw wild and factless conlusions and put words in my mouth, you choose to dance around it when you are called out?
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Were you there to witness this or is it more of your made up bullshit that spew in order to support your pathetic arguments? </div></div>
Like your nonsense regarding "pervasiveness"?
Easy to talk tough when you and your brethren are the only ones who're able legally carry in your locale.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Were you there to witness this or is it more of your made up bullshit that spew in order to support your pathetic arguments? </div></div>
Like your nonsense regarding "pervasiveness"?
Easy to talk tough when you and your brethren are the only ones who're able legally carry in your locale.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The fact that the shopper merely pointed his firearm at the ground showed great awareness and judgement - he de-escalated the situation, no-one got hurt and everyone went home. He should be commended for doing just only enough to stop the violence.
</div></div>
So you know for a FACT that he "pointed his weapon at the ground"? Were you there to witness this or is it more of your made up bullshit that spew in order to support your pathetic arguments?
If it is fact provide a source to prove it. If not, I still think the guy used poor judgement.
By the way, Broker doesn't follow me or anyone around that I'm aware of but since he thinks for himself and doesn't agree with your nonsense you feel the need to attack him. Typical of your type. </div></div>
It's referenced in several news articles that the Sgt. on the scene noted the victim pointed it at the ground. However, I've put in a request to the SA Police Dept. Records Unit for the actual police report. I figure that should be enough.
If you feel the need, you could call them yourself and get a copy of the record as well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The fact that the shopper merely pointed his firearm at the ground showed great awareness and judgement - he de-escalated the situation, no-one got hurt and everyone went home. He should be commended for doing just only enough to stop the violence.
</div></div>
So you know for a FACT that he "pointed his weapon at the ground"? Were you there to witness this or is it more of your made up bullshit that spew in order to support your pathetic arguments?
If it is fact provide a source to prove it. If not, I still think the guy used poor judgement.
By the way, Broker doesn't follow me or anyone around that I'm aware of but since he thinks for himself and doesn't agree with your nonsense you feel the need to attack him. Typical of your type. </div></div>
It's referenced in several news articles that the Sgt. on the scene noted the victim pointed it at the ground. However, I've put in a request to the SA Police Dept. Records Unit for the actual police report. I figure that should be enough.
If you feel the need, you could call them yourself and get a copy of the record as well.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
On a broader note, I'm actually rather happy with DR's post. He's finally acknowledged that the victim did nothing wrong as evidenced by his denial that he's uncomfortable with the decision of the LE on the scene. In reference to the rant, well, we all need to blow off steam, I've been called worse by people who actually know me.
What's important to note, is that this isn't personal, I don't really care what the individuals think, what's important is the broader message - <span style="font-weight: bold">it's ok to defend yourself against physical assault with your legal CCW. </span>It's not overly 'sensitive' to think being punched in the manner this shopper was is potentially lethal - it's in fact sensible and LEGAL. The fact that the shopper merely pointed his firearm at the ground showed great awareness and judgement - he de-escalated the situation, no-one got hurt and everyone went home. He should be commended for doing just only enough to stop the violence.
Now, if DR and Slap would stop twisting the facts of the matter into fear-mongering with remarks such as 'draw down on a crowd of shoppers' and asking loaded questions in the manner of 'how would you like it if you were out shopping and this happened?'. We'd be getting even more progress achieved.</div></div>
I have no idea where you are getting your info. I never made those posts, you have to be mentaly challenged to think there was some hidden message. You cannot provide proof of fear mongering, and your shit word is all we have to go by? FAIL.
ATHHUD, let me as you a question. What do you purpose when someone makes up shit about you in a depserate attempt to look like you have a point? Something I might add, that you have done.
I mean, in previous posts, you said its ok for soldiers to rape women as long as its wartime, and that as long as you have a gun, and your neighbor doesnt, you should be able to take his property, and you had no problem backing that up. Why is it when you and EH draw wild and factless conlusions and put words in my mouth, you choose to dance around it when you are called out? </div></div>
Just re-read your own posts man, I'm not going to re-hash it all for you. As to putting anything in your mouth... no thanks.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
On a broader note, I'm actually rather happy with DR's post. He's finally acknowledged that the victim did nothing wrong as evidenced by his denial that he's uncomfortable with the decision of the LE on the scene. In reference to the rant, well, we all need to blow off steam, I've been called worse by people who actually know me.
What's important to note, is that this isn't personal, I don't really care what the individuals think, what's important is the broader message - <span style="font-weight: bold">it's ok to defend yourself against physical assault with your legal CCW. </span>It's not overly 'sensitive' to think being punched in the manner this shopper was is potentially lethal - it's in fact sensible and LEGAL. The fact that the shopper merely pointed his firearm at the ground showed great awareness and judgement - he de-escalated the situation, no-one got hurt and everyone went home. He should be commended for doing just only enough to stop the violence.
Now, if DR and Slap would stop twisting the facts of the matter into fear-mongering with remarks such as 'draw down on a crowd of shoppers' and asking loaded questions in the manner of 'how would you like it if you were out shopping and this happened?'. We'd be getting even more progress achieved.</div></div>
I have no idea where you are getting your info. I never made those posts, you have to be mentaly challenged to think there was some hidden message. You cannot provide proof of fear mongering, and your shit word is all we have to go by? FAIL.
ATHHUD, let me as you a question. What do you purpose when someone makes up shit about you in a depserate attempt to look like you have a point? Something I might add, that you have done.
I mean, in previous posts, you said its ok for soldiers to rape women as long as its wartime, and that as long as you have a gun, and your neighbor doesnt, you should be able to take his property, and you had no problem backing that up. Why is it when you and EH draw wild and factless conlusions and put words in my mouth, you choose to dance around it when you are called out? </div></div>
Just re-read your own posts man, I'm not going to re-hash it all for you. As to putting anything in your mouth... no thanks.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The fact that the shopper merely pointed his firearm at the ground showed great awareness and judgement - he de-escalated the situation, no-one got hurt and everyone went home. He should be commended for doing just only enough to stop the violence.
</div></div>
So you know for a FACT that he "pointed his weapon at the ground"? Were you there to witness this or is it more of your made up bullshit that spew in order to support your pathetic arguments?
If it is fact provide a source to prove it. If not, I still think the guy used poor judgement.
By the way, Broker doesn't follow me or anyone around that I'm aware of but since he thinks for himself and doesn't agree with your nonsense you feel the need to attack him. Typical of your type. </div></div>
It's referenced in several news articles that the Sgt. on the scene noted the victim pointed it at the ground. However, I've put in a request to the SA Police Dept. Records Unit for the actual police report. I figure that should be enough.
If you feel the need, you could call them yourself and get a copy of the record as well. </div></div>
Well when you get that report feel free to post it here. Or post a link to one of your news "sources" Till then I call bullshit. Not just gonna take your word for it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The fact that the shopper merely pointed his firearm at the ground showed great awareness and judgement - he de-escalated the situation, no-one got hurt and everyone went home. He should be commended for doing just only enough to stop the violence.
</div></div>
So you know for a FACT that he "pointed his weapon at the ground"? Were you there to witness this or is it more of your made up bullshit that spew in order to support your pathetic arguments?
If it is fact provide a source to prove it. If not, I still think the guy used poor judgement.
By the way, Broker doesn't follow me or anyone around that I'm aware of but since he thinks for himself and doesn't agree with your nonsense you feel the need to attack him. Typical of your type. </div></div>
It's referenced in several news articles that the Sgt. on the scene noted the victim pointed it at the ground. However, I've put in a request to the SA Police Dept. Records Unit for the actual police report. I figure that should be enough.
If you feel the need, you could call them yourself and get a copy of the record as well. </div></div>
Well when you get that report feel free to post it here. Or post a link to one of your news "sources" Till then I call bullshit. Not just gonna take your word for it.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The fact that the shopper merely pointed his firearm at the ground showed great awareness and judgement - he de-escalated the situation, no-one got hurt and everyone went home. He should be commended for doing just only enough to stop the violence.
</div></div>
So you know for a FACT that he "pointed his weapon at the ground"? Were you there to witness this or is it more of your made up bullshit that spew in order to support your pathetic arguments?
If it is fact provide a source to prove it. If not, I still think the guy used poor judgement.
By the way, Broker doesn't follow me or anyone around that I'm aware of but since he thinks for himself and doesn't agree with your nonsense you feel the need to attack him. Typical of your type. </div></div>
It's referenced in several news articles that the Sgt. on the scene noted the victim pointed it at the ground. However, I've put in a request to the SA Police Dept. Records Unit for the actual police report. I figure that should be enough.
If you feel the need, you could call them yourself and get a copy of the record as well. </div></div>
Well when you get that report feel free to post it here. Or post a link to one of your news "sources" Till then I call bullshit. Not just gonna take your word for it. </div></div>
here's a link to the first hit on a simple google search
Gun pointed at the ground according to police sgt. at the scene
I suppose it's something that after you've reached your conclusion on the incident you're asking for evidence. I'm just glad you're not a judge...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The fact that the shopper merely pointed his firearm at the ground showed great awareness and judgement - he de-escalated the situation, no-one got hurt and everyone went home. He should be commended for doing just only enough to stop the violence.
</div></div>
So you know for a FACT that he "pointed his weapon at the ground"? Were you there to witness this or is it more of your made up bullshit that spew in order to support your pathetic arguments?
If it is fact provide a source to prove it. If not, I still think the guy used poor judgement.
By the way, Broker doesn't follow me or anyone around that I'm aware of but since he thinks for himself and doesn't agree with your nonsense you feel the need to attack him. Typical of your type. </div></div>
It's referenced in several news articles that the Sgt. on the scene noted the victim pointed it at the ground. However, I've put in a request to the SA Police Dept. Records Unit for the actual police report. I figure that should be enough.
If you feel the need, you could call them yourself and get a copy of the record as well. </div></div>
Well when you get that report feel free to post it here. Or post a link to one of your news "sources" Till then I call bullshit. Not just gonna take your word for it. </div></div>
here's a link to the first hit on a simple google search
Gun pointed at the ground according to police sgt. at the scene
I suppose it's something that after you've reached your conclusion on the incident you're asking for evidence. I'm just glad you're not a judge...
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
Well seems like the very article you sourced has conflicting information. Witnesses at the scene say he had the weapon out and aimed it at the the perp. The Sgt said he only pointed the weapon at the ground so I guess we're back at square one.
Well seems like the very article you sourced has conflicting information. Witnesses at the scene say he had the weapon out and aimed it at the the perp. The Sgt said he only pointed the weapon at the ground so I guess we're back at square one.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well seems like the very article you sourced has conflicting information. Witnesses at the scene say he had the weapon out and aimed it at the the perp. The Sgt said he only pointed the weapon at the ground so I guess we're back at square one. </div></div>
Agreed. Hence the request being sent in for the police record.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well seems like the very article you sourced has conflicting information. Witnesses at the scene say he had the weapon out and aimed it at the the perp. The Sgt said he only pointed the weapon at the ground so I guess we're back at square one. </div></div>
Agreed. Hence the request being sent in for the police record.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As to putting anything in your mouth... no thanks. </div></div>
You really need to come out of the closet already. Is it possible for you to respond with something other than a homosexual reference?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As to putting anything in your mouth... no thanks. </div></div>
You really need to come out of the closet already. Is it possible for you to respond with something other than a homosexual reference?
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As to putting anything in your mouth... no thanks. </div></div>
You really need to come out of the closet already. Is it possible for you to respond with something other than a homosexual reference? </div></div>
Broker - if it were possible for me to give any less of a fuck what you think, do and post, the universe and all parallels therein, would implode into the resultant vacuum.
Have a nice day, or don't, I really couldn't give a fuck.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As to putting anything in your mouth... no thanks. </div></div>
You really need to come out of the closet already. Is it possible for you to respond with something other than a homosexual reference? </div></div>
Broker - if it were possible for me to give any less of a fuck what you think, do and post, the universe and all parallels therein, would implode into the resultant vacuum.
Have a nice day, or don't, I really couldn't give a fuck.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
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Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As to putting anything in your mouth... no thanks. </div></div>
You really need to come out of the closet already. Is it possible for you to respond with something other than a homosexual reference? </div></div>
Broker - if it were possible for me to give any less of a fuck what you think, do and post, the universe and all parallels therein, would implode into the resultant vacuum.
Have a nice day, or don't, I really couldn't give a fuck. </div></div>
Does this mean you won't be sending me a Christmas card this year?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As to putting anything in your mouth... no thanks. </div></div>
You really need to come out of the closet already. Is it possible for you to respond with something other than a homosexual reference? </div></div>
Broker - if it were possible for me to give any less of a fuck what you think, do and post, the universe and all parallels therein, would implode into the resultant vacuum.
Have a nice day, or don't, I really couldn't give a fuck. </div></div>
Does this mean you won't be sending me a Christmas card this year?
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's just all so silly. This 'duke it out' rubbish.
I played a lot of rugby, I was part of the 'forwards', that means I played most of the game with my face and then the fun stuff with the shaven headed brigade... I've taken hits, sucker punches and given a few as well. If I have a CCW on me and some dude punches me, he'll be seeing the business end of the gun and a one time invitation to calm the fuck down.
<span style="color: #FF6666">I find QQ's position to be baffling. In response to someone pulling a gun defending themselves you'd be ready to shoot them with YOUR CCW? And if they should miss in the course of defending themselves and hit you/loved one you'd open fire on them?... so what if YOU miss? You're open season by your own logic. Meanwhile the original attacker is thinking, "sweet, he shot the dude I attacked...!" yeah, a real win-win...
</span>
Just dumb. Why not pull your CCW and stop the assault before it escalates? It's to preserve life, not exact vengeance on the wrong guy. </div></div>
How are you baffled? If I, a family member or someone who I just happen to take a shining to is injured by an errant shot by someone who fired at someone else, I am going to be very motivated to get "satisfaction".
I am inclined to believe, as I suggested earlier, that a man has a duty to not be a pussy. The ark of this thread has covered every remote possibility amply: The MMA fighter, the one punch KO, the infirmed victim unable to defend himself, the completely surrounded CCW guy in the middle of Injun territory (this is paraphrasing for all those in literal-ville) and on and on... While I suggest another highly likely probability; that the dude in question may be like some of those I have seen and spoken to who don't train, rarely practice, have little grasp of physics and are indifferent to the consequences of FIRING ONE OR MORE BULLETS AT SOMEONE COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY OTHER PEOPLE!
We all, (CCW license holders) have a duty to be cautious and use the utmost in good judgement. I admit that I am somewhat biased toward someone who would go to a black Friday sale in the first place: I think it's a scam and one needlessly exposes himself to crowds of people including too many who are rude, indifferent, assholes. Thus it becomes tantamount to entering an area of nuisance. Not literally but damn close.
I won't be caught dead in a Black Friday sale and I rarely go to malls. But I have attended gun shows where the cartoon-like CCW "classes" are conducted and the grueling two shots they must fire for qualification, in the trailer out behind the pavilion, is very reassuring...
Yes, you are right, I baffled myself: I should always conclude that anytime someone draws a weapon on another person, in a people packed environment; one where imbeciles and assholes are highly likely to be present, I will immediately conclude it was justified so long as he was not arrested immediately.
Additionally, I'm a member at two gun clubs which are both well staffed with range officers. Nevertheless, the stupid shit that occurs every day at the pistol ranges is stunning. I have no doubt some of these people shooting the target hangers, the partitions, the roof, sweeping their friends (And the rest of the line) with their loaded handguns, clearing their pistols while leaving the magazine in place, are also CCW license holders. This does not predispose me to a feeling of reasonable probability that a armed dude, drawing down on some asshole in a store, is my friend.
And I don't know how you could conclude any incongruity in my statement that if one of mine gets hurt in such a situation I will be making an accounting.
Anyone who hurts one of mine is my enemy regardless of their motivation.
Of course all of "mine" are law abiding, hardworking, well mannered, reasonable people
Merry Christmas!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's just all so silly. This 'duke it out' rubbish.
I played a lot of rugby, I was part of the 'forwards', that means I played most of the game with my face and then the fun stuff with the shaven headed brigade... I've taken hits, sucker punches and given a few as well. If I have a CCW on me and some dude punches me, he'll be seeing the business end of the gun and a one time invitation to calm the fuck down.
<span style="color: #FF6666">I find QQ's position to be baffling. In response to someone pulling a gun defending themselves you'd be ready to shoot them with YOUR CCW? And if they should miss in the course of defending themselves and hit you/loved one you'd open fire on them?... so what if YOU miss? You're open season by your own logic. Meanwhile the original attacker is thinking, "sweet, he shot the dude I attacked...!" yeah, a real win-win...
</span>
Just dumb. Why not pull your CCW and stop the assault before it escalates? It's to preserve life, not exact vengeance on the wrong guy. </div></div>
How are you baffled? If I, a family member or someone who I just happen to take a shining to is injured by an errant shot by someone who fired at someone else, I am going to be very motivated to get "satisfaction".
I am inclined to believe, as I suggested earlier, that a man has a duty to not be a pussy. The ark of this thread has covered every remote possibility amply: The MMA fighter, the one punch KO, the infirmed victim unable to defend himself, the completely surrounded CCW guy in the middle of Injun territory (this is paraphrasing for all those in literal-ville) and on and on... While I suggest another highly likely probability; that the dude in question may be like some of those I have seen and spoken to who don't train, rarely practice, have little grasp of physics and are indifferent to the consequences of FIRING ONE OR MORE BULLETS AT SOMEONE COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY OTHER PEOPLE!
We all, (CCW license holders) have a duty to be cautious and use the utmost in good judgement. I admit that I am somewhat biased toward someone who would go to a black Friday sale in the first place: I think it's a scam and one needlessly exposes himself to crowds of people including too many who are rude, indifferent, assholes. Thus it becomes tantamount to entering an area of nuisance. Not literally but damn close.
I won't be caught dead in a Black Friday sale and I rarely go to malls. But I have attended gun shows where the cartoon-like CCW "classes" are conducted and the grueling two shots they must fire for qualification, in the trailer out behind the pavilion, is very reassuring...
Yes, you are right, I baffled myself: I should always conclude that anytime someone draws a weapon on another person, in a people packed environment; one where imbeciles and assholes are highly likely to be present, I will immediately conclude it was justified so long as he was not arrested immediately.
Additionally, I'm a member at two gun clubs which are both well staffed with range officers. Nevertheless, the stupid shit that occurs every day at the pistol ranges is stunning. I have no doubt some of these people shooting the target hangers, the partitions, the roof, sweeping their friends (And the rest of the line) with their loaded handguns, clearing their pistols while leaving the magazine in place, are also CCW license holders. This does not predispose me to a feeling of reasonable probability that a armed dude, drawing down on some asshole in a store, is my friend.
And I don't know how you could conclude any incongruity in my statement that if one of mine gets hurt in such a situation I will be making an accounting.
Anyone who hurts one of mine is my enemy regardless of their motivation.
Of course all of "mine" are law abiding, hardworking, well mannered, reasonable people
Merry Christmas!
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
Well if there was ever a reason that we should lose our rights to own and bear arms this thread is it. Gun owners who don't trust other gun owners. We're are our own worst enemy when we don't trust each other. When we argue and fight with each other all the anti's have to do is sit back, watch and enjoy the show (Ya your doing their work for them). I would like to thank the pricks here don't support out right to carry (what the fucks wrong with some of you people?)
Well if there was ever a reason that we should lose our rights to own and bear arms this thread is it. Gun owners who don't trust other gun owners. We're are our own worst enemy when we don't trust each other. When we argue and fight with each other all the anti's have to do is sit back, watch and enjoy the show (Ya your doing their work for them). I would like to thank the pricks here don't support out right to carry (what the fucks wrong with some of you people?)
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
I find the best way to avoid the entire situation is to stay home all of the Friday after Thanksgiving.
I find the best way to avoid the entire situation is to stay home all of the Friday after Thanksgiving.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
While I don't agree with everything QQ says, I think everyone can agree that Black Friday shoppers and Walmart shoppers in general are the real problem here
While I don't agree with everything QQ says, I think everyone can agree that Black Friday shoppers and Walmart shoppers in general are the real problem here
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if there was ever a reason that we should lose our rights to own and bear arms this thread is it. Gun owners who don't trust other gun owners. We're are our own worst enemy when we don't trust each other. When we argue and fight with each other all the anti's have to do is sit back, watch and enjoy the show (Ya your doing their work for them). I would like to thank the pricks here don't support out right to carry (what the fucks wrong with some of you people?) </div></div>
This. The idiocy on display here far outweighs a black Friday sale, and is an embarrassment to the gun community.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if there was ever a reason that we should lose our rights to own and bear arms this thread is it. Gun owners who don't trust other gun owners. We're are our own worst enemy when we don't trust each other. When we argue and fight with each other all the anti's have to do is sit back, watch and enjoy the show (Ya your doing their work for them). I would like to thank the pricks here don't support out right to carry (what the fucks wrong with some of you people?) </div></div>
This. The idiocy on display here far outweighs a black Friday sale, and is an embarrassment to the gun community.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if there was ever a reason that we should lose our rights to own and bear arms this thread is it. Gun owners who don't trust other gun owners. We're are our own worst enemy when we don't trust each other. When we argue and fight with each other all the anti's have to do is sit back, watch and enjoy the show (Ya your doing their work for them). I would like to thank the pricks here don't support out right to carry (what the fucks wrong with some of you people?) </div></div>
This. The idiocy on display here far outweighs a black Friday sale, and is an embarrassment to the gun community. </div></div>
Yea you should be ashamed of yourself. You're actually comparing dissenting opinions on an Internet forum to people trampling each other to death over a tv or iPhone? They actually let you fly jets?
Where in this thread has anyone said they were anti gun, anti 2nd or anti CCW? Making up yet more shit in order to spin nonsense.
From the very beginning I stated that based on the OP it was my opinion that the guy made a bad decision by drawing down in a crowded store for merely being punched in the face. Nothing more, nothing less. Immediately the usual clowns turn it into something it's not. "Abuse of authority, corruption, doughnuts, law enforcement". The only thing Event left out was a tirade on unions.
Calling someone an idiot because they don't agree with your POV doesn't make you very smart. Try to get off the "everyone who doesn't agree with the guy who CCWs is a retard" bandwagon and think for yourself.
What the fuck did some of you guys did before you we're able to carry? How did y'all survive? <--------- Serious question.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if there was ever a reason that we should lose our rights to own and bear arms this thread is it. Gun owners who don't trust other gun owners. We're are our own worst enemy when we don't trust each other. When we argue and fight with each other all the anti's have to do is sit back, watch and enjoy the show (Ya your doing their work for them). I would like to thank the pricks here don't support out right to carry (what the fucks wrong with some of you people?) </div></div>
This. The idiocy on display here far outweighs a black Friday sale, and is an embarrassment to the gun community. </div></div>
Yea you should be ashamed of yourself. You're actually comparing dissenting opinions on an Internet forum to people trampling each other to death over a tv or iPhone? They actually let you fly jets?
Where in this thread has anyone said they were anti gun, anti 2nd or anti CCW? Making up yet more shit in order to spin nonsense.
From the very beginning I stated that based on the OP it was my opinion that the guy made a bad decision by drawing down in a crowded store for merely being punched in the face. Nothing more, nothing less. Immediately the usual clowns turn it into something it's not. "Abuse of authority, corruption, doughnuts, law enforcement". The only thing Event left out was a tirade on unions.
Calling someone an idiot because they don't agree with your POV doesn't make you very smart. Try to get off the "everyone who doesn't agree with the guy who CCWs is a retard" bandwagon and think for yourself.
What the fuck did some of you guys did before you we're able to carry? How did y'all survive? <--------- Serious question.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if there was ever a reason that we should lose our rights to own and bear arms this thread is it. Gun owners who don't trust other gun owners. We're are our own worst enemy when we don't trust each other. When we argue and fight with each other all the anti's have to do is sit back, watch and enjoy the show (Ya your doing their work for them). I would like to thank the pricks here don't support out right to carry (what the fucks wrong with some of you people?) </div></div>
Along with our rights come a reasonable expectation of prudence. Trust is earned, as is respect.
The Anti's are also well served by those willing to rubber stamp any and all actions by those who are armed, in even the most ambiguous situations.
Thus far it appears the actions and explanation of the subject of this post remain unimpeached and I am willing to defer to the judgement of those in possession of the facts pertaining to the circumstances of that event.
But come on ToughGuy; you trust every CCW Holder?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if there was ever a reason that we should lose our rights to own and bear arms this thread is it. Gun owners who don't trust other gun owners. We're are our own worst enemy when we don't trust each other. When we argue and fight with each other all the anti's have to do is sit back, watch and enjoy the show (Ya your doing their work for them). I would like to thank the pricks here don't support out right to carry (what the fucks wrong with some of you people?) </div></div>
Along with our rights come a reasonable expectation of prudence. Trust is earned, as is respect.
The Anti's are also well served by those willing to rubber stamp any and all actions by those who are armed, in even the most ambiguous situations.
Thus far it appears the actions and explanation of the subject of this post remain unimpeached and I am willing to defer to the judgement of those in possession of the facts pertaining to the circumstances of that event.
But come on ToughGuy; you trust every CCW Holder?
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if there was ever a reason that we should lose our rights to own and bear arms this thread is it. Gun owners who don't trust other gun owners. We're are our own worst enemy when we don't trust each other. When we argue and fight with each other all the anti's have to do is sit back, watch and enjoy the show (Ya your doing their work for them). I would like to thank the pricks here don't support out right to carry (what the fucks wrong with some of you people?) </div></div>
Along with our rights come a reasonable expectation of prudence. Trust is earned, as is respect.
The Anti's are also well served by those willing to rubber stamp any and all actions by those who are armed, in even the most ambiguous situations.
Thus far it appears the actions and explanation of the subject of this post remain unimpeached and I am willing to defer to the judgement of those in possession of the facts pertaining to the circumstances of that event.
But come on ToughGuy; you trust every CCW Holder?
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This is the point well missed. It's not up to whether or not you trust them or respect them. How is a stranger to earn either one?! How do you earn theirs?
The ease with which condemnation was reached, despite the opposite view being taken by the LE on the scene, is what Toughguy is referring to I think.
As to the idiocy, yeah - mea culpa, but man was I in good company. Suggesting firing amongst a crowd is bad but then in the same post saying you'd do the exact same thing not for self-defence but vengeance...
I'll post the police report when I get in the mail. It won't be for at least 10 days and given the time of year, perhaps longer. If anyone can possibly get it quicker then please post it up here.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if there was ever a reason that we should lose our rights to own and bear arms this thread is it. Gun owners who don't trust other gun owners. We're are our own worst enemy when we don't trust each other. When we argue and fight with each other all the anti's have to do is sit back, watch and enjoy the show (Ya your doing their work for them). I would like to thank the pricks here don't support out right to carry (what the fucks wrong with some of you people?) </div></div>
Along with our rights come a reasonable expectation of prudence. Trust is earned, as is respect.
The Anti's are also well served by those willing to rubber stamp any and all actions by those who are armed, in even the most ambiguous situations.
Thus far it appears the actions and explanation of the subject of this post remain unimpeached and I am willing to defer to the judgement of those in possession of the facts pertaining to the circumstances of that event.
But come on ToughGuy; you trust every CCW Holder?
</div></div>
This is the point well missed. It's not up to whether or not you trust them or respect them. How is a stranger to earn either one?! How do you earn theirs?
The ease with which condemnation was reached, despite the opposite view being taken by the LE on the scene, is what Toughguy is referring to I think.
As to the idiocy, yeah - mea culpa, but man was I in good company. Suggesting firing amongst a crowd is bad but then in the same post saying you'd do the exact same thing not for self-defence but vengeance...
I'll post the police report when I get in the mail. It won't be for at least 10 days and given the time of year, perhaps longer. If anyone can possibly get it quicker then please post it up here.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if there was ever a reason that we should lose our rights to own and bear arms this thread is it. Gun owners who don't trust other gun owners. We're are our own worst enemy when we don't trust each other. When we argue and fight with each other all the anti's have to do is sit back, watch and enjoy the show (Ya your doing their work for them). I would like to thank the pricks here don't support out right to carry (what the fucks wrong with some of you people?) </div></div>
This. The idiocy on display here far outweighs a black Friday sale, and is an embarrassment to the gun community. </div></div>
Where did anyone in here state anything not agreeing with the right to carry? Seriously you guys are trying to spin it into something that was never said to begin with and it's not necessary as EH does plenty of that already.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if there was ever a reason that we should lose our rights to own and bear arms this thread is it. Gun owners who don't trust other gun owners. We're are our own worst enemy when we don't trust each other. When we argue and fight with each other all the anti's have to do is sit back, watch and enjoy the show (Ya your doing their work for them). I would like to thank the pricks here don't support out right to carry (what the fucks wrong with some of you people?) </div></div>
This. The idiocy on display here far outweighs a black Friday sale, and is an embarrassment to the gun community. </div></div>
Where did anyone in here state anything not agreeing with the right to carry? Seriously you guys are trying to spin it into something that was never said to begin with and it's not necessary as EH does plenty of that already.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if there was ever a reason that we should lose our rights to own and bear arms this thread is it. Gun owners who don't trust other gun owners. We're are our own worst enemy when we don't trust each other. When we argue and fight with each other all the anti's have to do is sit back, watch and enjoy the show (Ya your doing their work for them). I would like to thank the pricks here don't support out right to carry (what the fucks wrong with some of you people?) </div></div>
Along with our rights come a reasonable expectation of prudence. Trust is earned, as is respect.
The Anti's are also well served by those willing to rubber stamp any and all actions by those who are armed, in even the most ambiguous situations.
Thus far it appears the actions and explanation of the subject of this post remain unimpeached and I am willing to defer to the judgement of those in possession of the facts pertaining to the circumstances of that event.
But come on ToughGuy; you trust every CCW Holder?
</div></div>
This is the point well missed. It's not up to whether or not you trust them or respect them. How is a stranger to earn either one?! How do you earn theirs?
The ease with which condemnation was reached, despite the opposite view being taken by the LE on the scene, is what Toughguy is referring to I think.
As to the idiocy, yeah - mea culpa, but man was I in good company. Suggesting firing amongst a crowd is bad but then in the same post saying you'd do the exact same thing not for self-defence but vengeance...
I'll post the police report when I get in the mail. It won't be for at least 10 days and given the time of year, perhaps longer. If anyone can possibly get it quicker then please post it up here. </div></div>
I'll have to review my three or four posts in this thread but I don't recall saying I would shoot into a crowd to get the person who errantly shot me or mine. An accounting, as I euphemistically refer, takes many forms. It is precisely the avoidance of seeing red (As I have alluded to in the instance of seeing innocents injured or killed) that one may take note of possible irony or inconsistency.
Perhaps the Costas episode regarding the spoiled, thug, momma's boy who shot his girlfriend 9 times and then, after balling like a little bitch to his coach, killed himself, that leaves some nerves here raw. Raw to the point of saying stupid things about those who would scrutinize a CCW licensee for drawing his firearm in a crowded store over a scuffle.
I, and my wife, have had CCW licenses since 1996. And we take it very seriously. We are unwavering supporters of this basic right of self defense. But we also feel a duty to those around us and recognize the enormous liability we face if we screw up with our weapons.
I think we have neglected the pleasure of pummeling our enemies. Honestly, have you ever broken someone's jaw with your fist before? Busted their head through a wall?
These are both very satisfying things to do to a deserving asshole.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if there was ever a reason that we should lose our rights to own and bear arms this thread is it. Gun owners who don't trust other gun owners. We're are our own worst enemy when we don't trust each other. When we argue and fight with each other all the anti's have to do is sit back, watch and enjoy the show (Ya your doing their work for them). I would like to thank the pricks here don't support out right to carry (what the fucks wrong with some of you people?) </div></div>
Along with our rights come a reasonable expectation of prudence. Trust is earned, as is respect.
The Anti's are also well served by those willing to rubber stamp any and all actions by those who are armed, in even the most ambiguous situations.
Thus far it appears the actions and explanation of the subject of this post remain unimpeached and I am willing to defer to the judgement of those in possession of the facts pertaining to the circumstances of that event.
But come on ToughGuy; you trust every CCW Holder?
</div></div>
This is the point well missed. It's not up to whether or not you trust them or respect them. How is a stranger to earn either one?! How do you earn theirs?
The ease with which condemnation was reached, despite the opposite view being taken by the LE on the scene, is what Toughguy is referring to I think.
As to the idiocy, yeah - mea culpa, but man was I in good company. Suggesting firing amongst a crowd is bad but then in the same post saying you'd do the exact same thing not for self-defence but vengeance...
I'll post the police report when I get in the mail. It won't be for at least 10 days and given the time of year, perhaps longer. If anyone can possibly get it quicker then please post it up here. </div></div>
I'll have to review my three or four posts in this thread but I don't recall saying I would shoot into a crowd to get the person who errantly shot me or mine. An accounting, as I euphemistically refer, takes many forms. It is precisely the avoidance of seeing red (As I have alluded to in the instance of seeing innocents injured or killed) that one may take note of possible irony or inconsistency.
Perhaps the Costas episode regarding the spoiled, thug, momma's boy who shot his girlfriend 9 times and then, after balling like a little bitch to his coach, killed himself, that leaves some nerves here raw. Raw to the point of saying stupid things about those who would scrutinize a CCW licensee for drawing his firearm in a crowded store over a scuffle.
I, and my wife, have had CCW licenses since 1996. And we take it very seriously. We are unwavering supporters of this basic right of self defense. But we also feel a duty to those around us and recognize the enormous liability we face if we screw up with our weapons.
I think we have neglected the pleasure of pummeling our enemies. Honestly, have you ever broken someone's jaw with your fist before? Busted their head through a wall?
These are both very satisfying things to do to a deserving asshole.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Just re-read your own posts man, I'm not going to re-hash it all for you. As to putting anything in your mouth... no thanks.</div></div>
You could just simply be a man and just admit that you can't prove it. You know you can't re-hash anything, because there is nothing there to re-hash. What you have stated about me is not in my charachter, so therefore I know I never typed anything to contradict that.
I agree with Broker. I really think that you are either uncomfortable with your own sexuality or there is just something in your subconscious that you need to address in regards to homosexuality. Perhaps you should re-read your own posts, as there are at least 3 references to homosexuality, when the topic was nowhere near that. Hey, its 2012, I don't discriminate. Any preferences another man has are his choice. So go ahead and let your flag fly.
I am done with this topic. There is no need to push it further and I am positive that there will be another, and EH and ATHHUD will make every opportunity to spin it into something that its not with wild accusations and assumptions.
Oh, and as I have stated in the past. I support the owning of guns by ALL law abiding citizens. I am against any new law to control them, as the current laws do very little in the first place. BUT, even though you are a law abiding gun owner, you are not absolved from making yourself aware of existing laws, safe operation, and using sound judgement in the use of a firearm.(does not apply to this topic) Those who actually read my posts know that I will not support a LEO if they have done wrong. The same applies to any gun owner. There is no blind following FOR ANYONE. You are either right or wrong, and I will not pass final judgement until I have all the facts.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Just re-read your own posts man, I'm not going to re-hash it all for you. As to putting anything in your mouth... no thanks.</div></div>
You could just simply be a man and just admit that you can't prove it. You know you can't re-hash anything, because there is nothing there to re-hash. What you have stated about me is not in my charachter, so therefore I know I never typed anything to contradict that.
I agree with Broker. I really think that you are either uncomfortable with your own sexuality or there is just something in your subconscious that you need to address in regards to homosexuality. Perhaps you should re-read your own posts, as there are at least 3 references to homosexuality, when the topic was nowhere near that. Hey, its 2012, I don't discriminate. Any preferences another man has are his choice. So go ahead and let your flag fly.
I am done with this topic. There is no need to push it further and I am positive that there will be another, and EH and ATHHUD will make every opportunity to spin it into something that its not with wild accusations and assumptions.
Oh, and as I have stated in the past. I support the owning of guns by ALL law abiding citizens. I am against any new law to control them, as the current laws do very little in the first place. BUT, even though you are a law abiding gun owner, you are not absolved from making yourself aware of existing laws, safe operation, and using sound judgement in the use of a firearm.(does not apply to this topic) Those who actually read my posts know that I will not support a LEO if they have done wrong. The same applies to any gun owner. There is no blind following FOR ANYONE. You are either right or wrong, and I will not pass final judgement until I have all the facts.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if there was ever a reason that we should lose our rights to own and bear arms this thread is it. Gun owners who don't trust other gun owners. We're are our own worst enemy when we don't trust each other. When we argue and fight with each other all the anti's have to do is sit back, watch and enjoy the show (Ya your doing their work for them). I would like to thank the pricks here don't support out right to carry (what the fucks wrong with some of you people?) </div></div>
Along with our rights come a reasonable expectation of prudence. Trust is earned, as is respect.
The Anti's are also well served by those willing to rubber stamp any and all actions by those who are armed, in even the most ambiguous situations.
Thus far it appears the actions and explanation of the subject of this post remain unimpeached and I am willing to defer to the judgement of those in possession of the facts pertaining to the circumstances of that event.
<span style="font-weight: bold">But come on ToughGuy; you trust every CCW Holder? </span>
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Until one of them gives me a reason not to... YES I do trust them. They went through the same training I did. Walk up to a police officer some time and ask him if he trusts other police officers.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if there was ever a reason that we should lose our rights to own and bear arms this thread is it. Gun owners who don't trust other gun owners. We're are our own worst enemy when we don't trust each other. When we argue and fight with each other all the anti's have to do is sit back, watch and enjoy the show (Ya your doing their work for them). I would like to thank the pricks here don't support out right to carry (what the fucks wrong with some of you people?) </div></div>
Along with our rights come a reasonable expectation of prudence. Trust is earned, as is respect.
The Anti's are also well served by those willing to rubber stamp any and all actions by those who are armed, in even the most ambiguous situations.
Thus far it appears the actions and explanation of the subject of this post remain unimpeached and I am willing to defer to the judgement of those in possession of the facts pertaining to the circumstances of that event.
<span style="font-weight: bold">But come on ToughGuy; you trust every CCW Holder? </span>
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Until one of them gives me a reason not to... YES I do trust them. They went through the same training I did. Walk up to a police officer some time and ask him if he trusts other police officers.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if there was ever a reason that we should lose our rights to own and bear arms this thread is it. Gun owners who don't trust other gun owners. We're are our own worst enemy when we don't trust each other. When we argue and fight with each other all the anti's have to do is sit back, watch and enjoy the show (Ya your doing their work for them). I would like to thank the pricks here don't support out right to carry (what the fucks wrong with some of you people?) </div></div>
Along with our rights come a reasonable expectation of prudence. Trust is earned, as is respect.
The Anti's are also well served by those willing to rubber stamp any and all actions by those who are armed, in even the most ambiguous situations.
Thus far it appears the actions and explanation of the subject of this post remain unimpeached and I am willing to defer to the judgement of those in possession of the facts pertaining to the circumstances of that event.
<span style="font-weight: bold">But come on ToughGuy; you trust every CCW Holder? </span>
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Until one of them gives me a reason not to... YES I do trust them. They went through the same training I did. Walk up to a police officer some time and ask him if he trusts other police officers. </div></div>
ToughGuy, it <span style="font-style: italic">just doesn't equate.</span> In most states the training for licensed carriers is <span style="font-style: italic">shit,</span> nothing more than a morning and a half an afternoon of dog and pony about what makes revolvers and semi-automatics different and what the most important aspects are of laws concerning force in the state of issue. FL only requires one shot, ONE SHOT, to demonstrate range proficiency. The only reason that I'm not more adamant in my concern and disgust with the status quo is that the alternative is letting state governments be overly informed by members of the law enforcement community, some of whom might be less than nonprejudicial in their approach to helping shape practices and standards.
Face it. In shall-issue states we have only our prior lack of criminal and psychological/psychiatric antecedents and (in some places) our public reputation to go on in making yes/no issue decisions. We get no obligatory retention training, which really should be part of the process of getting a state carry license/permit, and we get none of the rest of training in situational awareness to aid us in going about our daily business while strapped. And don't even get me started on open carry ...
I've been around people who were new to carry. I even let the infamous "soccer mom" try my P-229 at an informal gathering, and I can tell you that at that juncture in her tenure on the planet, she was damned dangerous to herself and others. I'm sorry, but I choose to disagree with you. Not everyone with a gun is trustworthy in my eyes, especially simply because they've been granted a privilege of good citizenship without as many prerequisites as they might need in getting a driver's license.
I recognize that they're kosher in the eyes of the law, but I still exercise a healthy distrust of them and am the first, after the better part of three decades of doing this gun shit, to brace their dumb asses when they do stupid human tricks on the range and on the street. We've got too much to lose to willingly suffer fools among us.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if there was ever a reason that we should lose our rights to own and bear arms this thread is it. Gun owners who don't trust other gun owners. We're are our own worst enemy when we don't trust each other. When we argue and fight with each other all the anti's have to do is sit back, watch and enjoy the show (Ya your doing their work for them). I would like to thank the pricks here don't support out right to carry (what the fucks wrong with some of you people?) </div></div>
Along with our rights come a reasonable expectation of prudence. Trust is earned, as is respect.
The Anti's are also well served by those willing to rubber stamp any and all actions by those who are armed, in even the most ambiguous situations.
Thus far it appears the actions and explanation of the subject of this post remain unimpeached and I am willing to defer to the judgement of those in possession of the facts pertaining to the circumstances of that event.
<span style="font-weight: bold">But come on ToughGuy; you trust every CCW Holder? </span>
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Until one of them gives me a reason not to... YES I do trust them. They went through the same training I did. Walk up to a police officer some time and ask him if he trusts other police officers. </div></div>
ToughGuy, it <span style="font-style: italic">just doesn't equate.</span> In most states the training for licensed carriers is <span style="font-style: italic">shit,</span> nothing more than a morning and a half an afternoon of dog and pony about what makes revolvers and semi-automatics different and what the most important aspects are of laws concerning force in the state of issue. FL only requires one shot, ONE SHOT, to demonstrate range proficiency. The only reason that I'm not more adamant in my concern and disgust with the status quo is that the alternative is letting state governments be overly informed by members of the law enforcement community, some of whom might be less than nonprejudicial in their approach to helping shape practices and standards.
Face it. In shall-issue states we have only our prior lack of criminal and psychological/psychiatric antecedents and (in some places) our public reputation to go on in making yes/no issue decisions. We get no obligatory retention training, which really should be part of the process of getting a state carry license/permit, and we get none of the rest of training in situational awareness to aid us in going about our daily business while strapped. And don't even get me started on open carry ...
I've been around people who were new to carry. I even let the infamous "soccer mom" try my P-229 at an informal gathering, and I can tell you that at that juncture in her tenure on the planet, she was damned dangerous to herself and others. I'm sorry, but I choose to disagree with you. Not everyone with a gun is trustworthy in my eyes, especially simply because they've been granted a privilege of good citizenship without as many prerequisites as they might need in getting a driver's license.
I recognize that they're kosher in the eyes of the law, but I still exercise a healthy distrust of them and am the first, after the better part of three decades of doing this gun shit, to brace their dumb asses when they do stupid human tricks on the range and on the street. We've got too much to lose to willingly suffer fools among us.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
I like pizza and beer and guns and women and hotsauce and I dont like the neighbors or their cats or the other neighbors bright motion detector that shines in our bedroom, or the fact that babies die when you shoot them down the shower drain every morning, but hey, shit happens.
I like pizza and beer and guns and women and hotsauce and I dont like the neighbors or their cats or the other neighbors bright motion detector that shines in our bedroom, or the fact that babies die when you shoot them down the shower drain every morning, but hey, shit happens.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StanwoodSpartan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like pizza and beer and guns and women and hotsauce and I dont like the neighbors or their cats or the other neighbors bright motion detector that shines in our bedroom, or the fact that babies die when you shoot them down the shower drain every morning, but hey, shit happens. </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StanwoodSpartan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like pizza and beer and guns and women and hotsauce and I dont like the neighbors or their cats or the other neighbors bright motion detector that shines in our bedroom, or the fact that babies die when you shoot them down the shower drain every morning, but hey, shit happens. </div></div>
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Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think we have neglected the pleasure of pummeling our enemies. Honestly, have you ever broken someone's jaw with your fist before? Busted their head through a wall?
These are both very satisfying things to do to a deserving asshole. </div></div>
This thread is loaded with some Batshit crazy nonsense.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think we have neglected the pleasure of pummeling our enemies. Honestly, have you ever broken someone's jaw with your fist before? Busted their head through a wall?
These are both very satisfying things to do to a deserving asshole. </div></div>
This thread is loaded with some Batshit crazy nonsense.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">But come on ToughGuy; you trust every CCW Holder? </span></div></div>
Until one of them gives me a reason not to... YES I do trust them. They went through the same training I did. Walk up to a police officer some time and ask him if he trusts other police officers. </div></div>
Just an FYI... Washington does not require any training whatsoever. Requirements are just 21 years of age, fingerprinting, and a background check.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">But come on ToughGuy; you trust every CCW Holder? </span></div></div>
Until one of them gives me a reason not to... YES I do trust them. They went through the same training I did. Walk up to a police officer some time and ask him if he trusts other police officers. </div></div>
Just an FYI... Washington does not require any training whatsoever. Requirements are just 21 years of age, fingerprinting, and a background check.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think we have neglected the pleasure of pummeling our enemies. Honestly, have you ever broken someone's jaw with your fist before? Busted their head through a wall?
These are both very satisfying things to do to a deserving asshole. </div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">This thread is loaded with some Batshit crazy nonsense.</span>
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Sorry miss. Hope you didn't spill your cosmo.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think we have neglected the pleasure of pummeling our enemies. Honestly, have you ever broken someone's jaw with your fist before? Busted their head through a wall?
These are both very satisfying things to do to a deserving asshole. </div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">This thread is loaded with some Batshit crazy nonsense.</span>
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Sorry miss. Hope you didn't spill your cosmo.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think we have neglected the pleasure of pummeling our enemies. Honestly, have you ever broken someone's jaw with your fist before? Busted their head through a wall?
These are both very satisfying things to do to a deserving asshole. </div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">This thread is loaded with some Batshit crazy nonsense.</span>
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Sorry miss. Hope you didn't spill your cosmo. </div></div>
You're clearly a real toughguy.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think we have neglected the pleasure of pummeling our enemies. Honestly, have you ever broken someone's jaw with your fist before? Busted their head through a wall?
These are both very satisfying things to do to a deserving asshole. </div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">This thread is loaded with some Batshit crazy nonsense.</span>
</div></div>
Sorry miss. Hope you didn't spill your cosmo. </div></div>
You're clearly a real toughguy.
Re: Controlling the Christmas shopping bully
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think we have neglected the pleasure of pummeling our enemies. Honestly, have you ever broken someone's jaw with your fist before? Busted their head through a wall?
These are both very satisfying things to do to a deserving asshole. </div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">This thread is loaded with some Batshit crazy nonsense.</span>
</div></div>
Sorry miss. Hope you didn't spill your cosmo. </div></div>
You're clearly a real toughguy.
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Nah. He plays third base.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think we have neglected the pleasure of pummeling our enemies. Honestly, have you ever broken someone's jaw with your fist before? Busted their head through a wall?
These are both very satisfying things to do to a deserving asshole. </div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">This thread is loaded with some Batshit crazy nonsense.</span>
</div></div>
Sorry miss. Hope you didn't spill your cosmo. </div></div>
You're clearly a real toughguy.
</div></div>
Nah. He plays third base.
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<span style="font-weight: bold">ToughGuy, it <span style="font-style: italic">just doesn't equate.</span> In most states the training for licensed carriers is <span style="font-style: italic">shit,</span> nothing more than a morning and a half an afternoon of dog and pony about what makes revolvers and semi-automatics different and what the most important aspects are of laws concerning force in the state of issue.</span> FL only requires one shot, ONE SHOT, to demonstrate range proficiency. The only reason that I'm not more adamant in my concern and disgust with the status quo is that the alternative is letting state governments be overly informed by members of the law enforcement community, some of whom might be less than nonprejudicial in their approach to helping shape practices and standards.
After hearing what you just said I find it rather obvious that you have no CCW and have not gone to a CCW class. Your a parrot who is talking about things you have read about but have no experience with. This is why it doesn't equate for you. Many police departments only require their officers to qualify with their weapons once a year. A lot of CCW people go out to the range every month, it's their hobby as well as their safeguard. The reason this thread went south is because people who don't know shit about CCW decided to talk shit rather than talking from experience.
<span style="font-weight: bold">ToughGuy, it <span style="font-style: italic">just doesn't equate.</span> In most states the training for licensed carriers is <span style="font-style: italic">shit,</span> nothing more than a morning and a half an afternoon of dog and pony about what makes revolvers and semi-automatics different and what the most important aspects are of laws concerning force in the state of issue.</span> FL only requires one shot, ONE SHOT, to demonstrate range proficiency. The only reason that I'm not more adamant in my concern and disgust with the status quo is that the alternative is letting state governments be overly informed by members of the law enforcement community, some of whom might be less than nonprejudicial in their approach to helping shape practices and standards.
After hearing what you just said I find it rather obvious that you have no CCW and have not gone to a CCW class. Your a parrot who is talking about things you have read about but have no experience with. This is why it doesn't equate for you. Many police departments only require their officers to qualify with their weapons once a year. A lot of CCW people go out to the range every month, it's their hobby as well as their safeguard. The reason this thread went south is because people who don't know shit about CCW decided to talk shit rather than talking from experience.
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I'm more concerned with dl holders than I am ccl holders.... If trust had a hill of beans to do with anything, I'd have you fuckers walking everywhere.
I'm more concerned with dl holders than I am ccl holders.... If trust had a hill of beans to do with anything, I'd have you fuckers walking everywhere.
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