So sleepy, creepy Joe is at it again. Threatening us with F-15's because, well "you'll need more than a gun".
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The world is watching. What an embarrassment.
Those F-15’s require pilots and maintenance crews... I’d be willing to be most are not Biden fans.
Doesn’t matter. They will follow orders just as 99.9% of government workers always have and always will. If you believe this to be a false statement then you need to read a history book. Anyone who makes a living off the backs of the productive tax payer is a gov’t statist and many don’t even realize they are. A man cannot be one of 24,000,000 hired by gov’t with our stolen wages and pretend to be a small gov’t constitutionalist. Fundamentally he can not be. This is two different points and conversations in one but needs to be pointed out.
Biden yesterday: "Do you realize the bullet out of an AR-15 travels five times as rapidly as a bullet shot out of any other gun?"
Want to fight government – get F-15s, Biden tells opponents
President Joe Biden has told gun owners that if they want to defend themselves against the government, they’ll need fighter jets
I don't think you understand that even those that are paid with tax money also pay taxes.
So really, they work to pay their own wages.
not really. they are Net zero "producers" in that regard.
unless they derive some other income that isnt from taxes?
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Look it up. 1 in 9 men and women from ages 18-65 work a government job. I just threw up a little. That’s a lot of people stealing from and living off the backs of the productive.
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3 million federal workers
5 million state employees
14 million local employees
Seems your beef should be with the city you live in employing too many people to sit around and smoke cigarettes/drink coffee.
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Why you edit the not paying taxes part out? See your original post I quoted for reference.
Why does it matter. I must have ben editing why you quoted me. If you want me to speak in it I will. Government sector pays zero taxes. None. Nada zilch. Just like welfare rats except government works against us for their paycheck.
No they don’t. Their paycheck is taxes. They put their hand in the bucket and take the private sectors wages and then drop a bit back in. Your statement is false. Do you also believe welfare rats are paying sales tax? LOL
Laughs in Vietnam, afghan, and every other war we lost to a embedded angry population, most far less armed, less intelligent, and less local than the American people
Also funny to take Billy badass stance when the same political elite were scared shitless of a mear peaceful protest on Jan 6
Also funny to take Billy badass stance when the same political elite were scared shitless of a mear peaceful protest on Jan 6
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Every single one government. Correct? Some sources show higher numbers. Either way too damn many by millions upon millions. Anyone not a willing slave would have beef with government. If not then they are statists and/or stupid. You seem like you may be one of the millions and are defensive. It’s typical of a big gov employee to be especially one that works for a murderous and treasonous state.
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One can have a beef with the rogue sectors of .gov that are working hard to infringe or steal your constitutional rights without hating all .gov employees. It is possible
So what percentage are fighting to protect my rights these days?
It’s all intermingled. All gov sectors and institutions work together as a unit with very few exceptions. Feds fund states for their loyalty, states fund cites for theirs and all pay empty men for theirs.
Lets take LEO for example. The federal gov’t in it’s entirety is unconstitutional with the latest reason because of election fraud resulting in an unconstitutional president who illegally installed nearly 100 federal judges and 1 justice. The judicial system and law enforcement (DOJ) at thr highest level are unconstitutional and have NO legal authority in this country. If these criminals are sent to harass a US citizen and this cotizen defends himself from a foreign attack via Washington DC, do you think for a second that your local boys are coming to your aide? Just the opposite my friend. They will stand side by side with terrorists and aid in the murder.
We are at the point where it’s government consisting of anyone who makes a living fucking the working man and those that support it, across from the rest of us. This is how it is now and always has been. It’s just been brushed aside. Now their is too much blood on the hands of big gov to overlook.
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You’ve never been to my neck of the woods. Push come to shove, a lot of local boys will probably end up real close to where I hang my hat. Your blinded by hatred or ignorance in your assessment of all .gov employees. Not all fall into that category. You’ll disagree, but some simply don’t have a way out right now. The fear of not being able to support their family keep them working. They are not the ones you need to worry about.
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Operational SNaFU aside. There are/were plenty of men doing just that. You don’t understand some of their motivations. Most of them have/had an impeccable amount of lotalty and respect or self respect. Not to the mission at hand, but to the contract they signed and swore to abide by. Some men and women in the service have only one thing, that is their word. Most of those types don’t know how to break their word and live with themselves. They would rather die and would die inside for doing so. It’s hard to explain to a person like you that probably never truly wanted a better life so bad, the options were limited to service or prison. Life changing in either case
He doesn't have one
This... you think sheriff Grady is going to buy that shit... na. Many like him.
Also I know of a few local pilots. Definitely not down Biden’s gonna need some F-15’s rhetoric.
Yesterday driving up I-75. The smoothest trip I have ever had up 75 out of Tampa. Its amazing how one state troop checks all the shitty driver. Thanks for the escort...
It’s getting harder to support the marketing of “fighting for my freedom” vs fighting for politicians personal gains
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I have a solution. That’s easy and I’ve laid it out half a dozen times. Convincing people like you guys that most of what they know and believe isn’t real and that gov’t is evil in it’s purest form is the unclimbable wall. It’s even harder to convince those that thrive (make a living) because of this evil.
This illustration represents the solution well. See the person walking away? Be that guy. It’s impossible to be that guy and work for the state.
At least you are honest here and admit that gov’t to many on the inside is their savior and they would do anything including die to protect it.
The problem I have with the people in gov’t as a group is that they do not want a fix or solution as it makes the life they live impossible as they would no longer be able to live off the labor of others. Therefore they are part of the problem as they support the status quo by performing the duties handed down to them from the most evil and corrupt men on the planet. This is true for any country and gov’t worldwide. The gov refuses accountability and change. A couple of you here won’t acknowledge that you are aiding the gov’t in it’s theft of the working man. You want it to continue or you are jobless.
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Harder is correct, not impossible. So by your own admission there are still reasons for you to support part of it.
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I don’t currently work for .gov just for your info.
You still consistently group them all together, when there are plenty that aren’t in that group. Do I agree with all aspects of .gov, no way. There is plenty that needs to be done away with.
Most people that have never fought for their life embrace the thought of a wild west mentality and life style. Most of those embracers won’t be around long enough to live in that dream.
We need a government.
We need laws that are enforced for the good of all US citizens and taxpayers.
We need a military for defense.
But somewhere along the way instead of a government for the good of all US citizens and taxpayers, we got a government that's mainly for the good of government, while pretending to be for the good of all. It continues to grow larger and larger to the point that they have to print monopoly money to keep it afloat. It's all about feeding itself.
The citizens are tolerated because they provide some of the funding.
For sure, but the percentage is small and appears to be shrinking
For the most part fire and EMS are pretty good folks, met a few pretty cool biologists, lineguys seem good, a small percentage of the military/CG who still honestly grasps the bill of rights to the level of correlation but I’d wager they’ll ether retire or be booted soon, maybe 3 or or so politicians, and a few other niche roles.
While you don’t currently work for gov, the brainwashing you received is still 100% functional and effective. You falsely believe that without the sacrifices of so many that choose to go into the government sector not for themselves, but for the benefit of others we would live in complete chaos where good men who would otherwise be controlled and restrained by our benevolent gov and it’s righteous employees, are now murdering, raping and robbing without hesitation, thought, or care. What an ignorant perspective to have and one in which damn near every single gov man and bootlicker shares. I have seen no exceptions. The state can not legislate morality but it can damn sure legislate it away.
Gov’t organizations are responsible for over a 100 million deaths and hundreds of millions more impoverished and displaced just in the last 100 years alone. All made possible not because of the evil men at the top barking orders, but because of the willing actions of those that carry out the orders at the bottom. This is true regardless of the individual’s own personal feelings and thoughts. Most people that have blood on their hands were clueless. The results were/are the same regardless.
Most in gov have never been in a real life or death, police are like 20th most dangerous job, and outside of a few in mil that’s not too dangerous ether, so let’s not get dramatic on that front, also the private sector people in the more dangerous jobs don’t enjoy all the support and “free shit” the gov workers get
The other factor is, when the good folks in gov don’t self police and actually remove the bad actors, how good are they?
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I seem to remember you being in one of them more dangerous jobs. What was that again?
There have been exactly 0 nations without a government that are or were as good to live in as the US is right now.
The Little Man Who Wasn't There
Yesterday, upon the stair,I met a man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today,
I wish, I wish he'd go away...
When I came home last night at three,
The man was waiting there for me
But when I looked around the hall,
I couldn't see him there at all!
Go away, go away, don't you come back any more!
Go away, go away, and please don't slam the door...
Last night I saw upon the stair,
A little man who wasn't there,
He wasn't there again today
Oh, how I wish he'd go away...
William Hughes Mearns
Let me guess, you and your righteous gov buddies are responding for that being so.
I don’t believe for a second that all people who work in the government sector are bad people. Most are otherwise decent people who unknowingly are dancing with the devil.
And that is kind of a dilemma that has no really perfect answer.
(I'll use the singular tense for Person A, but it is essentially the same as a whole group of Person A)
Person A decides that being one of the King's soldiers is an honourable thing as that's what they have been taught their whole life and their parents and grandparents did and such. So Person A swears an oath to follow all the King's orders
(Now you may say they swear an oath to follow all the King's lawful orders, but since the King can make and change the law that is essentially a meaningless feel good add on).
All seems good and such for some time. But then either the King goes evil or the new King is evil and now instead of being the great heroic defender of the homeland against the wicked foreign horde of invaders, Person A is ordered to do all kinds of brutal evil & oppression and killing of Persons B,C,D and so on that are their fellow citizen.
It is an understandable fact that the King could not do ANY of their evil or cause ANY harm without Person A doing what the King said.
Then it breaks into completely incompatible philosophies:
Group 1 parrots the often used line of:
Person A is not responsible for their actions because they were just following orders and had to obey.
Group 2 stridently believes the much less well accepted philosophy of:
Person A is at least if not actually more responsible for the evil that was done than the King that ordered it as without Person A doing the evil deeds none of it would have happened and the evil King would have just been a raving lunatic and the entire evil would have never come to pass.
Group 3 is much more fatalistic and suggests:
Person A may have been wrong to keep to their vows if it meant doing what they knew or should have known to be morally wrong, but it doesn't matter anyways because if they said no, somebody else would have said yes. So while Group 2 is morally correct, Group 1 is practically correct, so let's go Group 1
(This is actually how Soros justifies his working for the Nazis in support of the genocide the Jews).
Now the evil that is done may vary from purposely killing innocent people to make a point to accidentally killing innocent people because you had the wrong information etc. It may range from rounding up and genociding people to simply ripping folks away from their houses and properties and putting them in detention camps for political reasons.
(In the interests of full disclosure, I'm firmly in the Group 2 category).
Just about every government ever firmly believes in the Group 1 philosophy MOSTLY when it applies to their own soldiers
Just about every government ever firmly believes in the Group 2 philosophy USUALLY when it applies to those on the opposing side.
So if Person A "just follows orders" is on the winning side, chances are they will be excused for anything they did, but if they are on the losing side, chances are they will be punished for what they did.
(USA history and western / allied history of WWI, WWII and other conflicts makes this an undeniably true statement).
If Person A refuses to do what they morally believe to be wrong, chances for immediate punishment are extremely high, but they better hope they are on the winning side...
Later on a generation or two down the road, Person A will probably be reviled as an evil person by at least half the group no matter which choice they made and which side they were on and if their side won or lost. If they are still alive, they may even be prosecuted and punished.
Person A could gamble that even if their side loses, the punishment for refusing to do evil would be worse for them than hopefully what the winning side dishes out (Example it worked well for the folks now being prosecuted and sent to prison for counting arrivals at the concentration camp when they were 16 or whatever because back then saying no would have meant getting shot, today it means a couple years in jail when you are already about to croak)
But many others found out the hard way that gamble didn't pay off and the winning side was just as harsh as their own side would have been.
It's a bit of an unsolvable problem, because:
1. Without people that refuse to do things they find not morally correct, pretty much most of the great evil in the world would never have happened
2. Without people that will do what they are told regardless of the morality you don't really have an actual military you can command
3. Human nature and all history shows that there will always be plenty of folks willing to follow evil orders.
For most of the history of the USA we have as a whole portrayed our military as the great noble champions of freedom and defenders of decency and protectors of the country and that is very much what those in the military thought of themselves as.
(So little things like a bit of genocide of the natives, or rounding up citizens because of their parents' place of birth, or gunning down some unarmed protesters are kind of swept under the rug of history as let's not talk about that, it's rare and well.. it was a long time ago).
However anyone who is remotely thinking ahead and watching carefully what is going on, can be pretty sure that it looks like an evil King who commands the King's Soldiers to brutalize, oppress, slaughter and repress their fellow citizens, is not a far off hypothetical maybe but a very close quite possibly.
That’s because evil men always controlled the masses using government as a tool. Power and control is the sole reason of it’s existence. Gov was never about the people under it’s spell/control. A benevolent government can never and will never exist. Those that would be best at the job don’t want to rule over others. Those that end up ruling over others shouldn’t have the job.
You say that in a thread where once again an unconstitutional puppet president is posturing against the people very few of which pretended to vote for him while commanding an army who illegally follow his orders. You also say this knowing the gov’t has murdered and impoverished it’s own people in the name of covid safety. You say that knowing thousands of young men who thought they were serving their country were sent to die in foreign wars for no benefit if their own people. Atrocities to the tune of hundreds of millions have been committed by none other than the gov’t power structure and it’s deceitfulness.
How much longer would a statement such as what you just said can even remotely ring true. We are about to get you guy’s ultimate fantasy which is the most powerful authoritative one world gov’t that rules all that w never have been possible without evil men tricking the masses into accepting centralized gov’t control in their respective countries.
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They are just getting nervous because they are about to do something that will push the limit and they want to be sure we have as little of firepower as they can hold us to.
Funny thing is, I trust RT News 10X more than our own media. It's shameful to say, but I find them more reliable than our own leftist propagandist media like CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, NYT, WaPo, etc. etc. When the Ukraine bullshit war started, and our media was basically an extension of the Ukrainian government, they were the only source to get "the other side" of the news. You sure as fuck aren't gonna get it from our disgraceful media.
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We’ll looks like your volunteering to be the 1st leader of the resistance. Once you get ready, just holler and some real pipe hitting motherfuckers will answer. Not me though, I’m just a schmuck
I'm not suggesting that we aren't sinking, and that we aren't going to get to check how cold that water really is for ourselves. Nor am I suggesting that the arrogant corruption of our government isn't going to destroy our nation in a totalitarian regime and soon.
BUT - right now the mess deck is still above the water and I'm gonna get me a steak while I can. And I'm not going to scream OH GOD THIS WATER IS COLD! when its not even above my pinky toe yet. I'll wait till it gets to my nuts to start shivering.
Our main difference is that I know that there can be no salvation in our nations future. Nothing you do, absolutely nothing whatsoever, will change the trajectory of this sinking ship even in the slightest. Our nation's hull is shattered. God is gone, our economy should say "made in china" on it, and a totalitarian police state the likes of which this world has never seen is right there looking at us through the walls of the cage.
There are no lifeboats. This was the lifeboat. So go get yourself some steak and a hot woman and settle down at the table with me instead of having an internet boxing match with all comers.
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