Re: Current US Army rifle qual??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Etype</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A couple of people who recommend magazine on the ground- Kyle Lamb, Larry Vickers, me...
If you are pulling rearward on the mag (ie- tipping the noses of rounds up) it won't malfunction, it will actually help the rounds feed. This is actually a secret to making blanks feed better. The only time you run a chance of failure is with a severely worn out mag and tipping the rounds down.
Bottom line- Two points of contact without the mag down, three points of contact with the mag down- mag down equals 50% more stable.
Also, it lowers your position. A lower position is a more stable position.
40 round qual isn't a joke till you can shoot it 40/40 consistently, and that's a challenge for anyone with M885 and a basic training rifle. Sure, I could smoke it with my CQBR or SPR and Mk262
A beat up M16 and M885 is a 4 MOA combo at best. That's a 12" group on a 300m target, leaving you with 4 inches or a bit more than 1 MOA on each side of your group. If you can hold your point of aim inside that 1.3 MOA buffer consistently with wind, then that's darn good shooting.
A 1 MOA wind at 300 for an M885 is 3 mph... So if wind is barely felt on your face, it's going to push that bullet off the target if it's at the extreme spread of your group. It's very hard to get wind with no optic on s qual range. Wind bottlenecks and swirls over the berms and treelines, and there is sometimes a drainage ditch or two to channel gusts. </div></div>
I truly don't give a rats ass if vickers, lamb and every other high speed out there recommend putting the mag on the ground. I don't recommend it. why? because it's not needed. period.
hasty sling, supported or not = more than enough support to smoke this course.
But I'll make a deal with ya'll after my brother does it I'll report back. He is supposed to enter Jan 11, 2011.
P.S. What are you probably running in basic training............ a severely worn out mag.
Wish I could show you gents how this boy shoots. I've had him working an MP5N full auto like a pro at 16.
Being that my last qual score on the marine corps range was a 56 (expert started at 40), I'd say I'm relatively qualified to teach marksmanship.
I'll report back when this is done. Thank you all for your input. </div></div>
Hasty sling is currently advised against strongly. Since these are non-floating firearms we're talking about here, you're shifting the POI since you're inducing stress on the barrel.
It is also not recommended to rest your barrel on sandbags as have been done in the past (and likely is still advised in basic- but BRM itself hasn't changed in 20+ years). All of the SDM schools encourage using the magazine to rest the weapon on, not contacting the barrel, and not using a sling unless the weapon is free-floated (which if you have one of the purpose built SDM guns, they are- but these are in VERY limited service).
Current service standard is qualifying at least twice a year, usually once with optic and once with iron (assuming you're not a full on POG and you actually have optics). Will the above ill-advised practices have much affect on impact at 300 and less? Maybe, Maybe not. But I'll go with what the AMU and NGMTC are currently teaching as well as practices taught in sniper school.
EDIT: Some other members did bring up good points about allowing the DS's to train him. Fact of the matter is, they will want him to shoot how they train. If he shoots anything different he'll draw their unneeded attention. If you decide to depart any knowledge upon him, you would do him well to tell him very explicitly to do exactly as they instruct while he is in basic training.
