Sidearms & Scatterguns Custom by Winslow Intro and 1911 torture test

There are a plethora of custom 1911 shops out there, with even more semi-custom makers putting their spin on the 1911 design. Most of these makers pride themselves on how accurately they shoot because of their tight slide to frame fit. This is a great thing when talking about bullseye guns, but these makers market them as being self defense pistols. Having owned a number of semi-custom pistols from the big three, I can tell you that they are good pistols that will run if you keep them relatively clean, and well lubed. So what happens when you introduce mud, sand, and other harsh elements into the equation? How about just running them plain dry? In my experience with these pistols, they give up reliability for "match grade" accuracy. Not something you want from a self defense/ fighting pistol.


I am located in Utah, and did all my testing on the shores of the Great Salt Lake. The GSL is a hard place to keep a firearm working properly. The water is 8 times more salty than the ocean and is the second saltiest lake in the world. This would also be interesting to see how the Cerakote held up to the nasty, salty, water.
In testing I used a pistol I had just barely finished the day prior, and had only a couple rounds fired through it to make sure it was functioning properly. No lube was used throughout testing, and at no time was this pistol field stripped and cleaned.

I found a nice ditch that contained about a foot of water and threw the pistol with a round chambered and loaded magazine into the water. I was surprised when I went to grab it, because the water was deeper than I thought, and the pistol was tangled in the mud and weeds. It took me a good 30 seconds to find it. I then pulled the pistol out of the water and fired all rounds without a malfunction. This didn't surprise me however, since my other pistols from the big three passed this test as well. I then locked the slide back and threw it back into the drink. Again, I retrieved it and fired all rounds without a malfunction. I did this test two more times and let the pistol air dry. So far: Zero malfunctions. This picture shows how nasty the water is:

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Directly adjacent to the pond was a big mud pit. This would be the next challenger to the pistol. The pistol was dropped with the slide locked back from a distance of 6 feet in the air. As you can see in the pictures, it is almost completely covered in mud.

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When I pulled out the pistol from the mud, I was surprised to see how much of it was actually on it. The magwell contained a good deal of mud, as did the frame rails, and slide rails.
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I inserted the same metalform magazine that I had previously used and fired all 7 rounds without a malfunction. I would like to say it was "uneventful", but the first round fired sent sludge all over your's truly. At least it knocked enough mud of the slide so I could actually use the sights.
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I did the mud test two more times with the slide locked back to the rear and had no malfunctions to show for it.

I let the pistol bake in the sun for about 15 minutes while searched for our next place to abuse the pistol. I like torture testing the pistols using the actual environment the pistol will be operating in, not just dumping baby powder and other synthetic items all over it and calling it good.

We decided that dry dirt would be the next meal. I hope this pistol has a big appetite!

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Once again, the slide was locked back to the rear, and dirt was dumped all over the pistol. Then for good measure, I kicked more dirt into the disconnector timing groove and the slide rails. I picked up the pistol, inserted the metalform magazine, and release the slide stop. The slide stopped a quarter inch short from going fully into batter. I easily pushed the slide forward with my weak hand, and chambered the round. The sound of the slide crunching the dirt along the way made me want to cry. I fired all round in the magazine without a malfunction. Again, I was spewed with flying debris.
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The first round not chambering fully puzzled me, so I looked at my trusty metalform magazine. The blued finish was completely rusted on the inside and compressing the spring left me cringing. All magazines will be Cerakoted now. This salt water is nasty!

I again covered the pistol in dirt and inserted a unmolested metalform magazine. I released the slide stop and the round chambered just fine. I then fired every round without malfunction. This is a true testament to keeping your magazines somewhat clean.

My cousin and brother were helping me out with the photography and videography, so I only thought it fair to let them blow through a couple hundred rounds. The pistol now has dried mud, salt water, and dirt caked all over it.

Setting up a steel target at about 25 yards away, my brother and cousin unleased a couple hundred rounds at the plate. Both of them, having never shot a 1911, made me think of a possibility of a malfunction due to limp wristing or not slingshotting the slide. I was pleasantly surprised at their general ability to hit the plate as well as my pistols ability to chug through all rounds with no malfunctions.

This is what the pistol looks like after the testing.
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In my opinion, reliability trumps match grade accuracy any day of the week when your talking about fighting/ carry weapons.

I was very happy with the corrosion resistance of the Cerakote. I dumped clean, bottled water over the pistol when I was done with the tests. The only places that rusted were the blued recoil spring plug, magazine, and recoil spring plug. Basically, the places that weren't Cerakoted. To see more pictures of the pistol unmolested, check out the gallery on my site.
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When it starts to snow here, I will be doing another torture test, so if you have any ideas, let me know. Once the HD video is done getting edited, I will post it on here. Thanks!
 
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No posts for two days so I'll bite.

That's a fine looking 1911. Truly a testament that any well-built, quality pistol will be bet-your-life reliable.
 
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So exposure to the salty water was actually rusting the Metalforms inside of an hour or so?

Just as an aside - the gallery section of your website is in an interesting format, but overall the crazy Javascript format is somewhat distracting. Not all of the photo links work either, such as the sample images under the pricing page.

Neat stuff though!
 
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If you're advertising your work here and trying to sell it, you'd probably better get signed up as a hide vendor before someone busts your balls. You'll get a cool colored name!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Saito</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you're advertising your work here and trying to sell it, you'd probably better get signed up as a hide vendor before someone busts your balls. You'll get a cool colored name! </div></div> And is probably why there hasn't been more activity on this thread.

Matt, just so you know the guys on this forum are passionately dedicated to the sponsors, so what Saito is suggesting would probably be a good idea.

Beautiful pistols and I can vouch for the GSL being harsh on equipment as I've done some duck hunting on the flats when I was younger, especially when the winds kick up and you start getting a salt haze on everything around you.
 
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Thanks for the heads up gents. I have no intention of advertising for free on this form and edited my post so it does not reflect that. I have contacted snipers hide and have asked to become a sponsor.
I have never had a problem with blued finishes rusting on firearms in Utah, but that salt water is another beast. By the end of testing, the metal form may would only load 5 rounds because it got so bad. Cerakoting the mags should solve the problem.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: M. Winslow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the heads up gents. I have no intention of advertising for free on this form and edited my post so it does not reflect that. I have contacted snipers hide and have asked to become a sponsor.
I have never had a problem with blued finishes rusting on firearms in Utah, but that salt water is another beast. By the end of testing, the metal form may would only load 5 rounds because it got so bad. Cerakoting the mags should solve the problem.</div></div>

What was total elapsed time involved?
 
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have you ever tried Ionbond? i've heard amazing things about it. winter torture test.... freeze the pistol in ice for a extended period of time maybe?
 
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Matt,

I have a winter/marine torture test for you. Send one of those babys up here to Kodiak island and I will give it the salt/drizzle/freeze test for you. I have a range a mile or two from a good duck hunting spot, the weather here will cripple most auto loading shotguns, rem 1100s lock up to about useless status quickly. The test of all tests.

I would love to run one through the paces, I'd even send it back with a good write up if it could function. Besides I really need to see how much better than my Kimber a $3700 custom 1911 really is. I have never shot anything in that class. I am guessing its something like the old Timex/Rolex analogy, it would probably drive me to connoisseur grade guns.
 
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Drifter be carefull what you ask for, i went from having a plain jain kimber to having three colts at the gunsmith. custom 1911's are addicting.
 
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Drifter, not a bad idea. I'll get a pistol made up with some artic designs I've wanted to implement and give you a shout. If it will work in Alaska, there isn't much other places in the world it won't work. I get a lot of people asking what's the difference between a $3700 pistol and their box stock 1911. Once you've handled one, you will never ask that question again.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: M. Winslow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">. I get a lot of people asking what's the difference between a $3700 pistol and their box stock 1911. Once you've handled one, you will never ask that question again. </div></div>

Most people couldn't tell the difference between a $20,000 gun and a $600 gun by handling. If they could, the guns at the $1500 price point would probably sell a whole lot better.

I'd much rather see you shoot a few thousand rounds through a gun than throw it on the ground a few times. While I don't throw my guns in the dirt, I did shoot almost 1,500 rounds last week.
 
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While on a normal day, I try not to throw them in the dirt, sometimes, the worst happens. While my (pick one of the big three semi custom I've owned) would shoot all day long at the range, malfunctions would occur when subjected to elements. I do agree that a pistol should fire thousands of rounds with no problems, but if it can do that plus fire when an "oh crap" moment happens, than even better. Again, at the price point a custom pistol demands, the difference is not just "handling".
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: M. Winslow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">. I get a lot of people asking what's the difference between a $3700 pistol and their box stock 1911. Once you've handled one, you will never ask that question again. </div></div>

Most people couldn't tell the difference between a $20,000 gun and a $600 gun by handling. If they could, the guns at the $1500 price point would probably sell a whole lot better.

I'd much rather see you shoot a few thousand rounds through a gun than throw it on the ground a few times. While I don't throw my guns in the dirt, I did shoot almost 1,500 rounds last week. </div></div>

The man's 1911s are nice....a quality 1911 feels worlds different than a cheap one. And secondly, do you think that you shooting 1500 rounds last week makes you an expert? Thats always your argument, which is a different form of my dad can beat up your dad.

Man I so wish I could be like you and have all my answers from the internet and I aspire one day to have your shooting prowess........
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: M. Winslow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">. I get a lot of people asking what's the difference between a $3700 pistol and their box stock 1911. Once you've handled one, you will never ask that question again. </div></div>

Most people couldn't tell the difference between a $20,000 gun and a $600 gun by handling. If they could, the guns at the $1500 price point would probably sell a whole lot better.

I'd much rather see you shoot a few thousand rounds through a gun than throw it on the ground a few times. While I don't throw my guns in the dirt, I did shoot almost 1,500 rounds last week. </div></div>

The man's 1911s are nice....a quality 1911 feels worlds different than a cheap one. And secondly, do you think that you shooting 1500 rounds last week makes you an expert? Thats always your argument, which is a different form of my dad can beat up your dad.

Man I so wish I could be like you and have all my answers from the internet and I aspire one day to have your shooting prowess........
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As a fellow 0311, I know you understand that "shit happens" more often than not.
 
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Matt,

You will soon find that Downzero is the resident pistol expert in his mind....his greatest accomplishment is saying how many rounds he has shot in a year and saying its more than you.....I wouldn't put much creditability in what the window licker has to say..\


On a second note, which coast were you on?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Matt,

You will soon find that Downzero is the resident pistol expert in his mind....his greatest accomplishment is saying how many rounds he has shot in a year and saying its more than you.....I wouldn't put much creditability in what the window licker has to say..\


On a second note, which coast were you on? </div></div>

Thanks for the info. Before posting, I got the feeling that I would have a couple internet sneaky squirrels poking their heads around.

I was in Horno at Pendleton. I deployed with several "Bhama Boys". Awesome guys.