Anyone here suppress their 457? Would love to hear your thoughts on effectiveness of a can with supers/subs also any can specs please. Thanks
CZ 457
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I threaded the Shilen bbls on my 457 American & VPT for a SWR Spectre II that I've had for several years. Though it has just a tad bit of a '1st round pop' that my TBAC 22TD doesn't have, it's just about as quiet, and every bit as accurate (if not a bit more so) than the 22TD. Even with std vel match ammo and 22" bbls on my rifles, the suppressor still makes enough difference in the report that I prefer shooting with rather than without a suppressor on all my 22RF repeaters.
I'm thinking about a CZ 457 PV as a host for a TB 22 TD. Anyone have experience with it?
Not too concerned about the sound reduction as it should be more than adequate, but want to learn about effect on accuracy, POI shift, and fitment (ie: is the thread length 0.400" per TB thread guide spec).
Thank you for any/all information you could provide.
Not too concerned about the sound reduction as it should be more than adequate, but want to learn about effect on accuracy, POI shift, and fitment (ie: is the thread length 0.400" per TB thread guide spec).
Thank you for any/all information you could provide.
I keep a Thunderbeast 22TD on my 457 all the time. I love it. I have not noticed any issues with POI shift but then again, I don't take it off. I haven't noticed any accuracy issues but keep in mind I am not the most fundamentally sound shooter out there. I'm just barely sub moa (IE .4xx at 50 yards).
I LOVE the sound reduction. Basically, you hear the firing pin drop and then the ping down range with standard velocity ammo.
As for thread specs, I found no issues with the factory barrel. I did run into a small issue with my Bartlein. It was threaded at an AR-15 thread spec. They did take care of me though with no issues. Just be careful if you are buying a Bartlein drop in from someone other than them directly. Double check thread spec to make sure.
I LOVE the sound reduction. Basically, you hear the firing pin drop and then the ping down range with standard velocity ammo.
As for thread specs, I found no issues with the factory barrel. I did run into a small issue with my Bartlein. It was threaded at an AR-15 thread spec. They did take care of me though with no issues. Just be careful if you are buying a Bartlein drop in from someone other than them directly. Double check thread spec to make sure.
MDrimfirerookie,
Thank you for the first hand perspective. Very helpful and good to hear that the barrel and TB 22 TD are capable of sub MOA at 50 yards.
Is your barrel 16.5" or 20" ?
Cheers,
The Bartlein is 16.5" and I would venture to say it is probably a better shooter than me. My fundamentals when shooting groups is CRAP.
Diamondback Tactical for sure. If you want to spend a little more, Vortex Strike Eagle
I'm guessing he meant the Bergara B14-R, not the BXR. A BXR wouldn't be much more if any more money than a CZ.
I think I'm going to go with a Vortex strike eagle. Now I just need to find someone willing to part with theirs.
I recommend the Burris Signature XTR rings. You can use the supplied plastic shims to add more incline to your scope if you don’t have a rail or if your rail doesn’t have enough incline.
Midway has a Vortex Viper model and a Viper Diamondback HP on sale.
Here is a killer deal on a Vortex Viper.
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Are those first focal plane or second focal plane? I’d stick with first focal plane.Midway has a Vortex Viper model and a Viper Diamondback HP on sale.
Here is a killer deal on a Vortex Viper.
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I only shoot suppressed and shoot a bunch of different ammo.
Thus whole sheet is Eley action out of a 457 with a factory varmint barrel 16.5” and suppressed.
5 shot groups at 50 yards.
When shooting some SV ammo or subs it’s super quiet. It was so quiet today that a guy on the range started to walk down range as I was shooting because he couldn’t hear them with his muffs on.
At my elevation SV ammo usually breaks the sound barrier.
Accuracy seems fine with the can.
yep. He was one of the guys “teaching” a carbine course (due to fire restrictions we have very limited outdoor ranges available right now). No range officers or anything like that.
I packed it up shortly after that. Figured I didn’t want to be around if something dumb happened.
I guess it shows how quiet a suppressed 22lr can be.
I was using an aluminum SiCo sparrow with the original design baffles so it’s not the quietest can but it works fine on rifles
Oh, that’s nothing. I was at the range shooting unsupressed. Me and the guy next to me look up and the guy a few lanes down just walks down range while everyone is shooting to check his target. Not only that, but the guy is holding a locked and loaded AR pistol which he proceeds to point at everyone on the range when he turns around with it pointed right at us. The truly amazing thing was we all said something to him and explained the rules. We call a cease fire, turn on the light and go down to put up new targets. While we are down there the guy starts shooting! We all left at that point and made sure the range owners knew what was going on. Some people have no common sense.
wow that’s crazy. People need some help for sure.
One guy came over and looked at my gun and told me I had too much scope for the gun
.usually the guys I run into are super cool but I think hunting season, riots and c-19 has brought everyone out of the woodworks.
back to the CZ457
It seems my varmint barrel is shooting better than my MTR barrel with the ammo I have.
I need to see the difference in headspace one of these days but the varmint barrel is shooting well enough that I don’t want to mess with a thing till winter after hunting season
I have a 457 Lux, the thing is ridiculously good for the money. We've taken it out to 200 yards regularly and always make consistent hits using regular ol' ammo. Super fun gun.
I'm shocked even crappy ammo is really good. Took some better Federal out to 200 and was equally shocked....llving this CZ
Honestly, the most shocking part is that its just as accurate as my Anschutz 1907!
I'm not as good a shot as @Mike Casselton who also shoots an Annie everything he looks at gets plinked with that thing, but I've got to say this rifle will never hold *me* back. A golf ball is 1.68" and we both destroy them with so much boring regularity at 100 yards we are moving it out to 150 next time. I've been using Federal bulk copper plated 36g HP for this.
Same here, both the 457 and the Anschutz are more accurate than I am which is probably why I'm getting the same performance out of both. I did hit something like 0.35 MOA with the Anschutz and those Federal HPs though!
I am sure 150 will change the game for me, but Mike will probably still be bored to death!
Listening to someone babble on speaker phone.....which could have been done on a 75 word email....yet here I sit 30 minutes in she has yet to take a breath...bbbbbaaabbbbblblblblblingHey!!
Shouldn't you be getting some work done so we can shoot this week?
SubMech - nice shooting! Can you share the ammo, distance and # of shots in the groups?
cheers!
Those were all 10 shot groups at 50 yards with SK standard plus. Not just the best groups but repeatable. I tried a few different lots, and different ammo before I got those results. SK Rifle match and Lapua center X were better at 100 yards but not at 50, I could not get a solid group with Lapua X-act at 50 yards but it was great at 400, so I just stick with standard plus since it was more consistent.
That SK ammo seems really good, I slept on it when TargetSportsUSA had it a couple weeks ago and now I can't find any. I got a new barrel for my 457 that I'd like to try some higher quality ammo with.
I found a strike eagle 5-25x56 at a good price. What throw lever are you using? Seems Vortex doesn't make one for this scope...at least that i could find.
Ever since I got my Anschütz, I stopped taking the 457 quite so seriously. It's a Lux model with a couple "funny" mods on it. It has a 457 Varmint barrel with an A2 flash hider (lol), a 0 MOA picatinny rail, Reptilia 1.93" riser and green MRO. The only thing it's missing is a suppressor. The "goal" for this meme build is an extremely quiet, small caliber gun for night vision pest control. Subsonics in it should be about as loud as the clap of a hand. I realize I'll probably get shit for this one but it's entertaining to shoot.
Hey, Form Follows Function as they say! If it gets the job done....
Good for the squirrel hunting part, but I'd want more magnification on the high end for target work. I find the 4-16 range a good compromise.
You wouldn't happen to have dimensions on the stock of the 457 suppressor ready, would you? Trying to determine if the forend is wide enough and flat enough to attach an arca rail.
It’s wide enough. I make arca rails out of G10 and have mounted them on the pro Varmint model and the Boyd’s At One model. The pro Varmint is a lot wider but here is one on an AT One Boyd’s stock that I cerakoted blue.
That's pretty cool looking. Just to be clear though, I was talking about the American Synthetic Suppressor Ready, not the Pro Varmint. Is that what you were speaking of? Do you just make those rails for your own use or do you sell them? Have a website?
Hey Guys,
A little off topic but I've been searching around trying to find out if CZ gurantees sub-moa on their rifles? I figure you guys would be the right people to ask as I haven't found an answer elsewhere.
A little off topic but I've been searching around trying to find out if CZ gurantees sub-moa on their rifles? I figure you guys would be the right people to ask as I haven't found an answer elsewhere.
I've not seen anything of a guarantee but I've not seen one that wouldn't shoot well if the owner put in the time to find the ammo it likes.
That's sort of been what I have been finding. Odd that CZ wouldn't just throw a guarantee on there if this is the case. I've met a few people who went Tikka for that reason alone, when it seems the two are fairly comparable in terms of accuracy.
I guess they figure their reputation is guarantee enough. They can't make them fast enough right now as it is. I've seen some comparisons that say the Tikka edges the CZ out slightly in accuracy but I'm sure you can find just as many videos saying the opposite. It's all about finding the right ammo. Sometimes it even comes down to finding the right lot number of a certain ammo. I know Tikka has been around for a while but they are new to the rimfire market as far as I know. Maybe they felt they needed the guarantee to help launch their product. I don't know how long CZ has been in the rimfire market. I first learned of them and bought my 452 about 14 years ago. It is the American model with the standard taper barrel. It shoots everything pretty well and certain ammo exceptionally. I can usually keep it under MOA at 100 and alot of times I can hit 1 MOA targets out at 200. Seems to really start opening up after 250. At 300 on a 10" plate, I usually hit about 80% with no real group, just random hits all over the plate.
Sounds like you got quite the shooter! The 452 line seems to be quite legendary for CZ. I agree with your sentiments, the proof is in the pudding with how many of these rifles they are moving. Aside from some hiccups with some of the early 457's their rimfire track record seems to be pretty flawless given the pricepoint. Tikka is new to the rimfire market, and I do think the guarantee makes some difference in sales, even if it's marginal. They have always guaranteed sub-moa on their center-fire rifles as well.
I own a T1X and am very happy with it, I could see myself buying a 457 at some point, it's just interesting to compare the two, but the more I read, the more it seems like you could flip a coin between the two when it comes to accuracy and action.
I think CZ may have stumbled a bit with the 455. I'm sure there are some good ones out there but I've always heard the 452 was a better rifle. Always hear good things about the 457. My cousin just bought a Tikka T1X and I am looking to get a 457 once I figure out which variation I want and what is available. I should get to compare them personally some day.
