Dang, I don’t need another pistol, but that’s never stopped me before.
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My opinion is that even without the pin block - it's still going to be safer than a striker fire.Now for an accushadow version with the bull barrel, and throw a real safety lever on it while you're at it.
Speaking of not having a safety that blocks the firing pin.
Is this actually an issue or is this a perceived issue?
Like, can people actually find instances of this getting someone killed, in numbers much larger than normal "operating while drunk or stupid" type shit or is this actually not something to worry about that's made a bigger issue by safety babies?
Now for an accushadow version with the bull barrel, and throw a real safety lever on it while you're at it.
Speaking of not having a safety that blocks the firing pin.
Is this actually an issue or is this a perceived issue?
Like, can people actually find instances of this getting someone killed, in numbers much larger than normal "operating while drunk or stupid" type shit or is this actually not something to worry about that's made a bigger issue by safety babies?
This is kind of a tomato vs tomato sort of thing… depends on how you look at it.
Having owned both types, I don’t think the bushing and bull barrel with the Accu-Shadows means dick really. YMMV.
But having carried a Glock every day for many years and having dropped it more times than I’d like to admit, I kind of feel like a carry gun needs a firing pin block. If you were to drop a Shadow on its hammer you very well could end up leaking if you aren’t lucky.
I sure hope you’re shooting your carry guns and not just hanging in a holster lol. Not sure what holster wear has to do with the cost of the gun.I love that CZ came out with this “compact”. But IMHO, $1400 for an every day day carry is a bit much for me. The gun will be holstered most of it’s life and will probably wind up with lots of holster wear. Don’t get me wrong, I’m quite the CZ fan boy. I can see buying the compact if you don’t already have a Shadow 2 OR.
The switch from steel frame to aluminum saved 10oz. - which would put it closer to the P-07 weight - while still shooting and feeling like the P-01 with all the Custom CZ love done to it.Looks like they put a reinforced 1/4 cock in there. Almost like the “decock” position in the omega triggers.
I sure hope you’re shooting your carry guns and not just hanging in a holster lol. Not sure what holster wear has to do with the cost of the gun.
The compact has an aluminum frame and is ~30oz. If all the features are the same as the full size but it’s a pound lighter and smaller overall, it sounds like a badass carry piece.
Ya my M&P was $500 but how many people do we know that have another $500-$1000 in their carry gun in triggers, framework, milling, stippling etc.
Sadly, while cool looking and all, this thing is really kind of a knuckleheaded idea.
I think shrinking the design and then leaving the FPB out of the design was kind of a big miss (and I'm honestly surprised their lawyers even let them suggest it for a carry role). I'm not even that creeped out about carrying one hammer down on an inertial firing pin, but I can and do drop shit from time to time, and don't like the idea of putting that much trust in some 3 cent firing-pin spring.
It almost seems like someone in some Czech boardroom who doesn't know too much about guns, or carrying guns, probably thought this would be a hit.
For any kind of real carry role, an optics-ready P-01 with a Shadow hammer is really the gun most CZ-fans are waiting for (IMO).
Maybe a decocker/FPB model will see the light of day eventually..?
Agree. This pistol is dumb beyond belief.Sadly, while cool looking and all, this thing is really kind of a knuckleheaded idea.
I think shrinking the design and then leaving the FPB out of the design was kind of a big miss (and I'm honestly surprised their lawyers even let them suggest it for a carry role). I'm not even that creeped out about carrying one hammer down on an inertial firing pin, but I can and do drop shit from time to time, and don't like the idea of putting that much trust in some 3 cent firing-pin spring.
It almost seems like someone in some Czech boardroom who doesn't know too much about guns, or carrying guns, probably thought this would be a hit.
For any kind of real carry role, an optics-ready P-01 with a Shadow hammer is really the gun most CZ-fans are waiting for (IMO).
Maybe a decocker/FPB model will see the light of day eventually..?
Maybe a slightly stronger firing pin spring?
Is there any data or legitimate cases where dropping the gun set the gun off solely from the inertia on a standard firing pin spring? This would be excluding cases where the hammer was activated or all the way forward.
I'm pretty sure the hammer on the 75s (including all generations of the Shadow) rests on the firing pin when all the way downIDK..?
Part of me thinks "what's the big deal?"... With the hammer fully down it's resting on the slide and isn't going anywhere... rationally, and based on what's been tested, you'd literally need to drop the pistol from a height of 8-10ft, off a ladder onto its nose for it to go off...
...still seems creepy lol.
I'm pretty sure the hammer on the 75s (including all generations of the Shadow) rests on the firing pin when all the way down
You probably should know that I'm a huge cz fan, and I think this gun is dumb.Has anyone actually managed to make one of these Shadow 2 or modern CZ 75 pistols in original factory configuration, go off by dropping it from 6ft or less?
(Beating it repeatedly with a big hammer is NOT the same as dropping)
Most folks carrying this would be carrying it with the hammer decocked (or some really crazy folks might carry it cocked with the safety on).
I think some folks are over hyping near impossible chances to make their case about it not being as good as the Glocks they are in love with.
And I’m seeing another handgun to buy.Has anyone actually managed to make one of these Shadow 2 or modern CZ 75 pistols in original factory configuration, go off by dropping it from 6ft or less?
(Beating it repeatedly with a big hammer is NOT the same as dropping)
Most folks carrying this would be carrying it with the hammer decocked (or some really crazy folks might carry it cocked with the safety on).
I think some folks are over hyping near impossible chances to make their case about it not being as good as the Glocks they are in love with.
You probably should know that I'm a huge cz fan, and I think this gun is dumb.
Drop safe or not the lack of a decocker makes it a no go for use outside the range.
Until I learned how to do it correctly AND practiced it enough I did have several NDs while deocking my Shadow 2. The only reason nobody got hurt is because i was following the other three universsal rules.
That level of risk is unacceptable outside of a range environment and a decocker is the only acceptable solution.
There is a mistaken belief in CZ circles that a decocker gets in the way of having the best trigger pull possible.Decockers seem to be something not very popular outside of some specific models.
Agree. This pistol is dumb beyond belief.
Too light to be useful in competition. Borderline too heavy for comfortable carry. Lack of expected safety features.
All that engineering time should have been spent fixing the horrible DA stacking that comes standard with the Omega trigger and integrating the excellent OEM optic plate system into the P-07 and P-09 slides.
Or just not done at all.This gun could of been rethought on many levels.
The shadow 2 and the S2 compact are excellent pistols.Old thread - kinda surprised to see y'all crap on this.
The Shadow 2 Compact has an aluminum frameI have an itch for a steel frame 19(/20)11 that actually works, and don't want to spend 2k.
This seems perfectly comparable, plus I could shoot carry optics with it.
You can. Some of us will not carry a pistol that needs something done to it before the trigger can be pressedWhy not just carry it cocked and locked like a 1911, and consider the DA pull a bonus for dry fire practice?
I shot a whole season of USPSA Carry Optics with a S2 and never touched the safety because DA/SA pistols have to start in double action in USPSA Carry Optics. The lack of a decocker is no concern either. There is a very simple and foolproof way to lower the hammer without a decocker.I assume all the folks that shoot it's big brother in carry optics never touch the safety, hence the decocker concerns.
These are selective DA/SA pistols so you can carry it either way unless a sport's particular rules dictates one.I don't really know how folks run these manual safety da/sa guns as I've never had one.
Right, right, but ~30 ounces is roughly inline with steel commanders, weight wise. It weighs about what a steel frame staccato c2 would weigh, if that existed.The Shadow 2 Compact has an aluminum frame
In any case I'm pretty sure I'm done with the Shadow 2 as a competition pistol and am going back to polymer (P-10F to be exact) for several reasons.
Gotcha.Right, right, but ~30 ounces is roughly inline with steel commanders, weight wise. It weighs about what a steel frame staccato c2 would weigh, if that existed.
No. The Omega trigger system sucks ass and it's extremely difficult to get an acceptable DA stroke out of it. I've had three Omega CZs (two P-07s and one P-09). Only on the P-09 have I been able to get a shootable DA trigger.So no love for the p07 to mirror your shadow comp gun?
Gotcha.
No. The Omega trigger system sucks ass and it's extremely difficult to get an acceptable DA stroke out of it. I've had three Omega CZs (two P-07s and one P-09). Only on the P-09 have I been able to get a shootable DA trigger.
For me the P-10 series is the ultimate CZ. I make my decisions based on performance, not appearance price or feel.
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No. The Omega trigger system sucks ass and it's extremely difficult to get an acceptable DA stroke out of it. I've had three Omega CZs (two P-07s and one P-09). Only on the P-09 have I been able to get a shootable DA trigger.
For me the P-10 series is the ultimate CZ. I make my decisions based on performance, not appearance price or feel.
What do you think of the CZ P-09 Suppressor-Ready?
I got one and was pretty impressed with how it did out of the box.
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So why not a Glock?
I just finished reviewing a freakin’ stack of Cajun and Ghost Gun receipts.....Suppressor ready or not, would not buy again. Too much effort to make it shootable to my liking. I'd rather buy an SP-01. Or better yet another P-10F
Suppressor ready or not, would not buy again. Too much effort to make it shootable to my liking. I'd rather buy an SP-01. Or better yet another P-10F
Rami is shorter I think.So this is a Rami, without a decocker and/or a firing pin block, with a light rail and optics ready. Or am I missing something?
Rami is shorter I think.
Rami was smaller “sub compact”So this is a Rami, without a decocker and/or a firing pin block, with a light rail and optics ready. Or am I missing something?
That's a reflection of your skills not of the pistol.The P10F looks nice, but I'm just not comfortable with a striker pistol without a safety.
It is notSo this is a Rami, without a decocker and/or a firing pin block, with a light rail and optics ready. Or am I missing something?
You don't know how to dry fire thenRacking the slide 1000 times kinda gets old.
The P-10 is shootable right from the box. The minor tuning I've done to my -10F USPSA gun is really subtle.I just finished reviewing a freakin’ stack of Cajun and Ghost Gun receipts.....
It’s just too bad I couldn’t get what I wanted from the beginning.
The P-10S is such a superior replacementThe rami struggled with its weight, size, and mag capacity for a “sub compact”
That's a reflection of your skills not of the pistol.
What on earth are you afraid of anyway?
Please send me links. I'd like to see. Because I fear I might be next after thousands of times holstering a loaded striker pistol without incidentI've seen a few too many folks on video having bad oops things when some unexpected failure of holster, clothing, debris, sear malfunction, and a host of other things that never seem likely just happen to cause things to go bang at the wrong time.
Including the supposed well trained professionals and well trained and practiced competition shooters and such.
You probably shouldn't have a gun if you can't control it 100% of the timeAlso manual safety much like stick shift in a car, is something most don't expect and in the event something happens and someone gets your gun who shouldn't have it, that may prevent them from using it. (of course, that could also get you killed if you don't practice with it).
WTF? Are you letting people fondle your pistol through your clothes?Also if you are often in close physical contact with people or around kids or such.
This is utter nonsenseBut some crazy stack of events / tolerances making a thing go bang when it shouldn't could really ruin life for me in a big way.
How many gunfights have you been in? Cause I know people who actually have been in more than one and they've told me they've done complex tasks like reloading a rifle in the middle of a fight without being consciously aware of it. Because of training @Gustav7Also you can train all you want, but it's never going to be the exact same as when your body and brain goes into overdrive when you feel your life is being directly threatened
Please send me links. I'd like to see. Because I fear I might be next after thousands of times holstering a loaded striker pistol without incident
You probably shouldn't have a gun if you can't control it 100% of the time
WTF? Are you letting people fondle your pistol through your clothes?
This is utter nonsense
How many gunfights have you been in? Cause I know people who actually have been in more than one and they've told me they've done complex tasks like reloading a rifle in the middle of a fight without being consciously aware of it. Because of training @Gustav7