Daca

#3
Everyone from politicians to talking heads are always talking about immigration reform. Our immigration laws are rock solid; we simply need to enforce them as they're written. I think these next six months will be very interesting as well as being a litmus test to see where our elected officials stand.

This all really very simple. Either you have a legal immigration status or you don't. If you don't it's time to leave.
 
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#4
A) of this boils down to the fact that we spoke in the Presidential Election . This was the platform and we said yeah make it happen . What the fuck does the rest of DC not fuckin get .
You work for us get it fuckin done .
 
#5
"Dreamers" my ass.......more like "Criminals".......

break the law long enough and get rewarded.....hmmmm, i wonder if other laws work that way......" i swear officer, i always drive after drinking a bottle of vodka....been doing it for 20 years now!"
 
#6
I agree in theory but these mostly are not criminals. Other than coming here but they had little choice. I say let them pay an additionasl 5% non-deductible income tax or payroll tax for twenty years as a penalty. After which they can apply for Citizenship. Let them pay our debt down. JMHO

The Pay For Your Sins Act
 
#8
DACA was another shithole that never should have happened. It was the Obama mentality of losing legislatively and going ahead and doing what you want to do anyway.
It was illegal and a slap in the face to a system that has governed us well for 2.5 centuries.

Now, finally, we have a President who is going to force Congress to do what they are supposed to do, instead fumble-fucking immigration for another ten years.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/05/here-are-four-ways-in-which-daca-is-illegal/

[h=1]Here Are Four Ways In Which DACA Is Illegal[/h]
DALE L. WILCOX
Executive Director, Immigration Reform Law Institute
3:44 PM 09/05/2017

DACA expressly violated federal statutes which require the initiation of removal proceedings.

As critics warned at the time, our first experiment with mass amnesty, the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, led to a giant increase in our illegal alien population far higher than before it took place. In response, President Clinton created the Commission on Immigration Reform, led by civil rights-icon Barbara Jordan, to study the issue and make recommended policy changes. The Jordan Commission’s findings formed the basis of what became true comprehensive immigration reform: The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act. That legislation sought to foreclose attempts by the executive to apply amnesty by fiat, which the executive had done in years previous to small groups through administrative tools such as the parole power and extended voluntary departure.

In response to the Jordan Commission’s report, Congress made it clear that those here without our authorization would be placed in removal proceedings. They amended into Title 8 of the US Code section 1225(b)(2)(A), which reads “if the examining immigration officer determines that an alien seeking admission is not clearly and beyond a doubt entitled to be admitted, the alien shall be detained for a [removal] proceeding under section 1229a of this title.”

When DACA was challenged by members of an ICE public sector union in 2012, the Obama DOJ attempted to argue that “shall” in the above section actually meant “may.” Showing a respect for the English language, the judge in that case ruled that “shall” really did mean “shall” and would have struck down DACA but for jurisdictional problems.

DACA violated the constitutional obligation of the executive to Take Care That The Laws Are Faithfully Executed.

The DACA Directive ordered that our immigration laws would no longer be executed against a class of 1.7 million illegal aliens, or 15 per cent of what DHS estimates to be the total illegal alien population. Such an exercise of “deferred action” to such a broad group of foreign nationals who chose to unlawfully and irresponsibly violate our sovereign borders is most certainly not consistent with a president’s duty to faithfully enforce the peoples’ democratically-enacted laws.

The Take Care Clause also certainly prohibits the president from rewriting those laws under the guise of executive “discretion” or “limited resources” or because it’s simply “the right thing to do.”

And contrary to what many pro-amnesty advocates have claimed, the Take Care Clause is absolutely judicially enforceable against the President. Cases in which the Supreme Court has decided as much include Kendall v. United States and Angelus Milling Co. v. Comm’r of Internal Revenue.

DACA conferred amnesty and federal benefits under the false pretense of “Prosecutorial Discretion.”

“Prosecutorial discretion,” insofar as it is permitted by federal immigration law, is by definition the exercise of discretion not to remove; it is not the conferral of a benefit such as work-permit.

To the limited extent that any “prosecutorial discretion” is permitted by federal immigration law, such discretion is closely detailed in the immigration statute and its underlying regulations. For instance, based an illegal alien’s “extreme hardship”, ICE can seek the cancellation or withholding of a removal. There’s also Temporary Protected Status, Humanitarian Parole, or asylum, all which are granted based on a number of factors that have been set in statute for years.

The exercise of “prosecutorial discretion” does not permit any DHS employee or officer to grant unlawfully present aliens amnesty and work-permit benefits in the manner attempted by the DACA Directive. No doubt most anti-borders advocates know this by the simple fact that if such executive authority had always existed it would have been used before.

DACA conferred a benefit without promulgating a rule.

The Administrative Procedure Act (APA) requires that all agency actions be set aside when they’re taken “without observance of procedure required by law.” Like DAPA, DHS failed to put DACA through the procedures required by the APA, namely, that it be presented to the public for notice and comment. So, not only did President Obama decide to bypass the legislative route on DACA, it bypassed the regulatory one as well.

The Justice Department would later argue in the 26-state challenge against DAPA that, with that program at least, formal rulemaking procedure wasn’t necessary because it wasn’t a substantive rule, but a mere procedural one.

But DACA, like DAPA, most absolutely fulfills the APA’s definition of a substantive rule. DACA established a new class of individuals by specific eligibility criteria against whom our immigration laws requiring their removal would not be executed and who are made eligible for work permits. This makes it an agency statement of general applicability and future effect and one that’s most certainly substantive.

Strangely, then-DHS Secretary Napolitano tried to make it look as if she was going through proper procedure. Two months after DACA was announced, she issued a Federal Register Notice as part of a so-called “information collection” exercise in relation to the program. The gesture was likely an attempt to satisfy the APA’ publication requirements should they be sued.

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Congress and the President are the peoples’ servants. We vote them in based on their campaign promises and expect them to see those promises through.

By ending DACA, that’s what President Trump has done and that’s why today he’s shown himself to be a true constitutional leader. Thank you President Trump, today you have made the Constitution great again.
 
#9
Trump is a lying POS, Sessions is a lying cowardly POS, thsi is the test and he failed. He simply needs to unsign DACA, no help from anyone is needed, its an illegal unconstitutional order, he just needs to rescind it. The fact taht he isnt means he wants the invasion to continue just like the rest of the repubs (cheap, almost slave labor) and the Dems, (permanent underclass voters fir them). He is lying to you trumpkins and it seems he has thrown his hat in the ring with the DC muther fukers. No Wall, Obama Care Stands, The Invasion Coninues, he is just a louder and lighter shade Obama.

Hilary walks free, Sessions does nothing that fk.
 
#10
Tucker301 said:
DACA was another shithole that never should have happened. It was the Obama mentality of losing legislatively and going ahead and doing what you want to do anyway.
It was illegal and a slap in the face to a system that has governed us well for 2.5 centuries.

Now, finally, we have a President who is going to force Congress to do what they are supposed to do, instead fumble-fucking immigration for another ten years.

[video]http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/05/here-are-four-ways-in-which-daca-is-illegal/[/video]

[h=1]Here Are Four Ways In Which DACA Is Illegal[/h]
DALE L. WILCOX
Executive Director, Immigration Reform Law Institute
3:44 PM 09/05/2017

DACA expressly violated federal statutes which require the initiation of removal proceedings.

As critics warned at the time, our first experiment with mass amnesty, the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, led to a giant increase in our illegal alien population far higher than before it took place. In response, President Clinton created the Commission on Immigration Reform, led by civil rights-icon Barbara Jordan, to study the issue and make recommended policy changes. The Jordan Commission�s findings formed the basis of what became true comprehensive immigration reform: The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act. That legislation sought to foreclose attempts by the executive to apply amnesty by fiat, which the executive had done in years previous to small groups through administrative tools such as the parole power and extended voluntary departure.

In response to the Jordan Commission�s report, Congress made it clear that those here without our authorization would be placed in removal proceedings. They amended into Title 8 of the US Code section 1225(b)(2)(A), which reads �if the examining immigration officer determines that an alien seeking admission is not clearly and beyond a doubt entitled to be admitted, the alien shall be detained for a [removal] proceeding under section 1229a of this title.�

When DACA was challenged by members of an ICE public sector union in 2012, the Obama DOJ attempted to argue that �shall� in the above section actually meant �may.� Showing a respect for the English language, the judge in that case ruled that �shall� really did mean �shall� and would have struck down DACA but for jurisdictional problems.

DACA violated the constitutional obligation of the executive to Take Care That The Laws Are Faithfully Executed.

The DACA Directive ordered that our immigration laws would no longer be executed against a class of 1.7 million illegal aliens, or 15 per cent of what DHS estimates to be the total illegal alien population. Such an exercise of �deferred action� to such a broad group of foreign nationals who chose to unlawfully and irresponsibly violate our sovereign borders is most certainly not consistent with a president�s duty to faithfully enforce the peoples� democratically-enacted laws.

The Take Care Clause also certainly prohibits the president from rewriting those laws under the guise of executive �discretion� or �limited resources� or because it�s simply �the right thing to do.�

And contrary to what many pro-amnesty advocates have claimed, the Take Care Clause is absolutely judicially enforceable against the President. Cases in which the Supreme Court has decided as much include Kendall v. United States and Angelus Milling Co. v. Comm�r of Internal Revenue.

DACA conferred amnesty and federal benefits under the false pretense of �Prosecutorial Discretion.�

�Prosecutorial discretion,� insofar as it is permitted by federal immigration law, is by definition the exercise of discretion not to remove; it is not the conferral of a benefit such as work-permit.

To the limited extent that any �prosecutorial discretion� is permitted by federal immigration law, such discretion is closely detailed in the immigration statute and its underlying regulations. For instance, based an illegal alien�s �extreme hardship�, ICE can seek the cancellation or withholding of a removal. There�s also Temporary Protected Status, Humanitarian Parole, or asylum, all which are granted based on a number of factors that have been set in statute for years.

The exercise of �prosecutorial discretion� does not permit any DHS employee or officer to grant unlawfully present aliens amnesty and work-permit benefits in the manner attempted by the DACA Directive. No doubt most anti-borders advocates know this by the simple fact that if such executive authority had always existed it would have been used before.

DACA conferred a benefit without promulgating a rule.

The Administrative Procedure Act (APA) requires that all agency actions be set aside when they�re taken �without observance of procedure required by law.� Like DAPA, DHS failed to put DACA through the procedures required by the APA, namely, that it be presented to the public for notice and comment. So, not only did President Obama decide to bypass the legislative route on DACA, it bypassed the regulatory one as well.

The Justice Department would later argue in the 26-state challenge against DAPA that, with that program at least, formal rulemaking procedure wasn�t necessary because it wasn�t a substantive rule, but a mere procedural one.

But DACA, like DAPA, most absolutely fulfills the APA�s definition of a substantive rule. DACA established a new class of individuals by specific eligibility criteria against whom our immigration laws requiring their removal would not be executed and who are made eligible for work permits. This makes it an agency statement of general applicability and future effect and one that�s most certainly substantive.

Strangely, then-DHS Secretary Napolitano tried to make it look as if she was going through proper procedure. Two months after DACA was announced, she issued a Federal Register Notice as part of a so-called �information collection� exercise in relation to the program. The gesture was likely an attempt to satisfy the APA� publication requirements should they be sued.

�-

Congress and the President are the peoples� servants. We vote them in based on their campaign promises and expect them to see those promises through.

By ending DACA, that�s what President Trump has done and that�s why today he�s shown himself to be a true constitutional leader. Thank you President Trump, today you have made the Constitution great again.
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Amen!!!

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#11
[FS1]I agree in theory but these mostly are not criminals. Other than coming here but they had little choice. I say let them pay an additional 5% non-deductible income tax or payroll tax for twenty years as a penalty. After which they can apply for Citizenship. Let them pay our debt down. JMHO

The Pay For Your Sins Act

FS1, I respectfully disagree. These individuals are criminals as defined by the law. One thing that isn't really apparent in the news, is the act covers individuals up to 32 years of age. We hear the 'It's for the children' rhetoric, but the reality is quite different. They all, including the parents, need to be immediately deported. Once they are out of the country, they can apply for legal immigration status if, and only if, they meet all the standards imposed for immigration to this country.

Their parents are the ones who set them up for criminal status. They are all criminals.
 
#12
In order to understand the law sometimes it's necessary to use some hyperbole.
If I trespass on your property and bring my kids along, do they get to stay after I am arrested and removed? Do you have to feed, clothe, and educate them?

Now with that said, there is the issue of "prosecutorial discretion".
That's when the traffic officer decides that yes, you were driving over the speed limit, but it was only 6 mph over, and the rest of the traffic was doing the same.

There are grey areas everywhere on immigration, and those grey areas need to be dealt with. DACA was designed as a humane way of handling a problem, but its "free candy" appeal only served to open the floodgates as more tried to get in and take advantage of Obama's generosity with our money.

There needs to be a hard line drawn, and Congress is supposed to be making the laws, not the President.

A wall can be virtual and be just as effective, if not more so.

First thing to do is to identify why they are coming here and to address that issue head on.

When I was a kid, we worked the tobacco farms side by side with other laborers from the area. They were people who through lack of education, resources, and options knew that if they didn't work their families didn't eat. There were no social programs inciting more kids for more money and forcing unwed single parenting by penalizing families for having the father in the household.

By the time I was 14, we were seeing the first Mexicans showing up to work in the fields. I didn't understand at the time what was going on. Why were these people coming all the way to VA from Mexico to do this brutally hard work for damned little reward? Why did we need them?

I didn't realize that social reform was offering the poorer people, particularly those of color, incentives to not work. Free or subsidized housing. Free healthcare. Free food. Free educations, or all at greatly reduced rates. So they were leaving the farms and the fields, and flocking to the brand new apartments complexes. These places were clean and healthy, with air conditioning, cable, and most importantly, people just like them.

So a spiral begins. A cycle is born. Kids grow up in a new environment, under new morals and societal rules.
Hard work is punished with an increase in rent and a reduction in "benefits".
Kids see role models filling out forms for a living, and getting more money for having more kids.
A way of life is distilled and refined into what has now become a culture, as infrastructure around them erodes from the inside out. Slums and projects now exist where there were once budding shiny new communities, but the trap has been sprung, and there's damned little getting out.
Reform has become a prison, as people have been conditioned to live on whatever they are given. Crime is easier than hard work. It pays well and all of your clients are your neighbors, so overhead is minimal.

The spiral is whirling now. Kids of single parents are sucked into a way of life that lacks structure, depth, and morality at all levels. A few miraculously claw their way out, but so many don't.

The void left is a growing need for cheap labor, because you can't feed your dependent poor on expensive food, and you can't provide them free housing and care if labor rates to build and maintain those things are too high.
But now generation of immigrants, mostly illegal, because that's the path of least resistance, are falling into the same traps of programs and free shit, and their dynamic is shifting from that of working for a living to whining for a living.

The ONLY fix for any of this, for all of this, is to STOP doing the wrong things for the right reasons. Sadly, no one has the balls to say it, much less do it. But what we need is a vast reduction in honey pots. If a man can sneak across the border with nothing and carve out a life for himself and his family with his hands and his back, then so should a man who was born here.

Local farmers are now required to advertise their laborer jobs before bringing in the migrants. It's a damned joke. No one ever answers the ads.
They also had a program where community service was to be served by working the fields for local farmers. Someone fainted.


 
#13
Tucker301 said:
In order to understand the law sometimes it's necessary to use some hyperbole.
If I trespass on your property and bring my kids along, do they get to stay after I am arrested and removed? Do you have to feed, clothe, and educate them?

Now with that said, there is the issue of "prosecutorial discretion".
That's when the traffic officer decides that yes, you were driving over the speed limit, but it was only 6 mph over, and the rest of the traffic was doing the same.

There are grey areas everywhere on immigration, and those grey areas need to be dealt with. DACA was designed as a humane way of handling a problem, but its "free candy" appeal only served to open the floodgates as more tried to get in and take advantage of Obama's generosity with our money.

There needs to be a hard line drawn, and Congress is supposed to be making the laws, not the President.

A wall can be virtual and be just as effective, if not more so.

First thing to do is to identify why they are coming here and to address that issue head on.

When I was a kid, we worked the tobacco farms side by side with other laborers from the area. They were people who through lack of education, resources, and options knew that if they didn't work their families didn't eat. There were no social programs inciting more kids for more money and forcing unwed single parenting by penalizing families for having the father in the household.

By the time I was 14, we were seeing the first Mexicans showing up to work in the fields. I didn't understand at the time what was going on. Why were these people coming all the way to VA from Mexico to do this brutally hard work for damned little reward? Why did we need them?

I didn't realize that social reform was offering the poorer people, particularly those of color, incentives to not work. Free or subsidized housing. Free healthcare. Free food. Free educations, or all at greatly reduced rates. So they were leaving the farms and the fields, and flocking to the brand new apartments complexes. These places were clean and healthy, with air conditioning, cable, and most importantly, people just like them.

So a spiral begins. A cycle is born. Kids grow up in a new environment, under new morals and societal rules.
Hard work is punished with an increase in rent and a reduction in "benefits".
Kids see role models filling out forms for a living, and getting more money for having more kids.
A way of life is distilled and refined into what has now become a culture, as infrastructure around them erodes from the inside out. Slums and projects now exist where there were once budding shiny new communities, but the trap has been sprung, and there's damned little getting out.
Reform has become a prison, as people have been conditioned to live on whatever they are given. Crime is easier than hard work. It pays well and all of your clients are your neighbors, so overhead is minimal.

The spiral is whirling now. Kids of single parents are sucked into a way of life that lacks structure, depth, and morality at all levels. A few miraculously claw their way out, but so many don't.

The void left is a growing need for cheap labor, because you can't feed your dependent poor on expensive food, and you can't provide them free housing and care if labor rates to build and maintain those things are too high.
But now generation of immigrants, mostly illegal, because that's the path of least resistance, are falling into the same traps of programs and free shit, and their dynamic is shifting from that of working for a living to whining for a living.

The ONLY fix for any of this, for all of this, is to STOP doing the wrong things for the right reasons. Sadly, no one has the balls to say it, much less do it. But what we need is a vast reduction in honey pots. If a man can sneak across the border with nothing and carve out a life for himself and his family with his hands and his back, then so should a man who was born here.

Local farmers are now required to advertise their laborer jobs before bringing in the migrants. It's a damned joke. No one ever answers the ads.
They also had a program where community service was to be served by working the fields for local farmers. Someone fainted.
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A good distillation of the problem.

As harsh as it seems the only real fix is to remove ALL illegals and cut the programs that support the dead weight. Offer them the jobs the illegals did, or starve. When they get hungry enough, they'll work.
 
#14
Tucker301 said:
In order to understand the law sometimes it's necessary to use some hyperbole.
If I trespass on your property and bring my kids along, do they get to stay after I am arrested and removed? Do you have to feed, clothe, and educate them?

Now with that said, there is the issue of "prosecutorial discretion".
That's when the traffic officer decides that yes, you were driving over the speed limit, but it was only 6 mph over, and the rest of the traffic was doing the same.

There are grey areas everywhere on immigration, and those grey areas need to be dealt with. DACA was designed as a humane way of handling a problem, but its "free candy" appeal only served to open the floodgates as more tried to get in and take advantage of Obama's generosity with our money.

There needs to be a hard line drawn, and Congress is supposed to be making the laws, not the President.

A wall can be virtual and be just as effective, if not more so.

First thing to do is to identify why they are coming here and to address that issue head on.

When I was a kid, we worked the tobacco farms side by side with other laborers from the area. They were people who through lack of education, resources, and options knew that if they didn't work their families didn't eat. There were no social programs inciting more kids for more money and forcing unwed single parenting by penalizing families for having the father in the household.

By the time I was 14, we were seeing the first Mexicans showing up to work in the fields. I didn't understand at the time what was going on. Why were these people coming all the way to VA from Mexico to do this brutally hard work for damned little reward? Why did we need them?

I didn't realize that social reform was offering the poorer people, particularly those of color, incentives to not work. Free or subsidized housing. Free healthcare. Free food. Free educations, or all at greatly reduced rates. So they were leaving the farms and the fields, and flocking to the brand new apartments complexes. These places were clean and healthy, with air conditioning, cable, and most importantly, people just like them.

So a spiral begins. A cycle is born. Kids grow up in a new environment, under new morals and societal rules.
Hard work is punished with an increase in rent and a reduction in "benefits".
Kids see role models filling out forms for a living, and getting more money for having more kids.
A way of life is distilled and refined into what has now become a culture, as infrastructure around them erodes from the inside out. Slums and projects now exist where there were once budding shiny new communities, but the trap has been sprung, and there's damned little getting out.
Reform has become a prison, as people have been conditioned to live on whatever they are given. Crime is easier than hard work. It pays well and all of your clients are your neighbors, so overhead is minimal.

The spiral is whirling now. Kids of single parents are sucked into a way of life that lacks structure, depth, and morality at all levels. A few miraculously claw their way out, but so many don't.

The void left is a growing need for cheap labor, because you can't feed your dependent poor on expensive food, and you can't provide them free housing and care if labor rates to build and maintain those things are too high.
But now generation of immigrants, mostly illegal, because that's the path of least resistance, are falling into the same traps of programs and free shit, and their dynamic is shifting from that of working for a living to whining for a living.

The ONLY fix for any of this, for all of this, is to STOP doing the wrong things for the right reasons. Sadly, no one has the balls to say it, much less do it. But what we need is a vast reduction in honey pots. If a man can sneak across the border with nothing and carve out a life for himself and his family with his hands and his back, then so should a man who was born here.

Local farmers are now required to advertise their laborer jobs before bringing in the migrants. It's a damned joke. No one ever answers the ads.
They also had a program where community service was to be served by working the fields for local farmers. Someone fainted.
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This needs to have added, that President Roosevelt started some of this shit with the Bracero Program, signed August 4, 1942...
 
#15
I could go on & on about this subject but I digress. Enforce the law as it is written. Period. Put American citizens first. All others should leave the country & get in line to re-enter legally. If there's a wait time then so be it. I favor the merit based plan personally. Why bring a class of people into the country who will become wards of the state & at best become a drain on society? That makes no sense at all. The left has only one priority which is to expand their voting base.
 
#17
I have worked in both Canada and Mexico. The work permit process is lengthy and expensive for Canada, less so for Mexico. Without said permit in your possession when attempting to enter either country, you will not pass "Go". No exceptions. When I've told liberals of my experience, they shut right up.

Cannot imagine why that is such a tough concept here....
 
#18
WATERWALKER said:
Everyone from politicians to talking heads are always talking about immigration reform. Our immigration laws are rock solid; we simply need to enforce them as they're written. I think these next six months will be very interesting as well as being a litmus test to see where our elected officials stand.

This all really very simple. Either you have a legal immigration status or you don't. If you don't it's time to leave.
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It really is this simple.
 
#19
Threadcutter308 said:
I have worked in both Canada and Mexico. The work permit process is lengthy and expensive for Canada, less so for Mexico. Without said permit in your possession when attempting to enter either country, you will not pass "Go". No exceptions. When I've told liberals of my experience, they shut right up.

Cannot imagine why that is such a tough concept here....
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I can tell you that having lived on both the Canadian & Mexican borders, both countries have stringent immigration laws. So stringent that countries have black & white immigration laws w/ no grey areas. There are no second chances, immigration relief, parole or remedies. There is a simple situation that plays out; have your non-immigrant visa / or PP along w/ requisite paperwork in hand or they'll send back from whence you came. If you enter illegally you'll need a good attorney.

El Presidente Enrique Pena Nieto holds his nose high in the air & acts as if his countrymen have done nothing wrong. These are people who pollute our streets w/ dope, commit all sorts of heinous crimes, etc. I realize that not Mexicans who come here illegally are here to push dope or to do anything other than try to improve their lot in life. I'm not hating on Mexican citizens by any stretch. Hell, Mexican food is at the top of my list of favorite foods. But, in Mexican towns pamphlets are passed out letting Mexican citizens know that they have better opportunities to make a livable wage & raise their children in a better environment in the U.S. It becomes a little easier for the Mexican government fiscally if their citizens are living abroad vs being given a welfare entitlement at home,ie a drain on the state.

Ever wonder what happens when a simple "Oh shit! I meant to turn around" moment happens at the Mexican border? Look no further as I've provided one such example below: This is the treatment you can expect as an American citizen in Mexico.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...774-BJFEo2Lk5A

Justin Trudeau tried to pull off the "Send us your weak & weary" BS after Trump was elected by the citizens of the U.S. to enforce our laws. He offered to take in all those poor souls, blah, blah, blah.
Look at this article!
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...g0GMMzmLatjx8g

Which turned into this:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...h4HlD5WRz_ly0Q

Yet President Trump is a terrible, terrible human being because he chooses to enforce our sovereign nation's immigration laws. Both Mexico & Canada can do far worse & get away w/ this shit, but not the U.S. This debate isn't about arcane laws, or racism or anything else that Schumer & Pelosi claim it to be in the face of reality. This is nothing more than a temper tantrum led by angry Democrats that has turned into a high stakes popularity contest. Winner takes all.
 
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#20
Te problem gents is that Trump is still breaking the law here in the US, he is not enforcing shit, he has agreed to let Obamas lawbreaking continue with his name on it while giving the swamp the chance to come up with a new way to fuck American poor and endanger our citizens, the repubs want slave labor and the dems want those slaves votes. The law is still being broke with Trumps approval.
 
#21
ArmyJerry said:
Te problem gents is that Trump is still breaking the law here in the US, he is not enforcing shit, he has agreed to let Obamas lawbreaking continue with his name on it while giving the swamp the chance to come up with a new way to fuck American poor and endanger our citizens, the repubs want slave labor and the dems want those slaves votes. The law is still being broke with Trumps approval.
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Jerry, we elected Trump to the office of President not the office of Fairy Godmother, he does not have a magic wand to fix everything that is wrong. He has to work within a broken system. As for me I think he is doing a great job, the proof is how much the liberals hate him.
 
#22
stoop, his magic wand is his pen and phone, the same wand that asshole before him used to break the law, he does not need help at all to stop the law breaking, he is the chief law officer of this country. Trump owns Daca now, stop sputtering with self deceitful excuses.
 
#23
He should have ended it day one; it is absolutely in his power. Now there's talk of trading amnesty for a small portion of the wall funding. What do we need the fucking wall for if half of Central America is already here? Before anyone mentions how we almost got stuck with the commie bitch, I understand and am grateful we have Trump. But if Trump is our last chance at righting the ship, we're fucked!
 
#24
ArmyJerry said:
stoop, his magic wand is his pen and phone, the same wand that asshole before him used to break the law, he does not need help at all to stop the law breaking, he is the chief law officer of this country. Trump owns Daca now, stop sputtering with self deceitful excuses.
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There is no need for name calling.
 
#29
There's something amiss here. I've seen the Dems (and this article) stating there is no deal for a wall, or anything else. I've seen conservative pundits lamenting that we got nothing in return. That's NOT what I just heard Trump himself say just a few minutes ago. In fact he said specifically that there would be no deal without funding for the wall. This is the second time in two weeks I've seen the Dems come out of a good-faith negotiations meeting with Trump and claim complete and total victory, then Trump comes out and says NO, not going to happen. So, my gut tells me the Dems are completely lying. You don't have a good-faith negotiation with someone, then five minutes later have a press conference belittling them and crowing about how you made him cave to 100% of your demands. Any fool knows that person is going to never deal with you again. I smell BS.
 
#30
Like someone said, a virtual wall can be more effective than a concrete wall. If Trump can engineer a compromise between the DC shitbirds it could mean we finally get effective border enforcement, hopefully with smart technology instead of a multi billion dollar shiny wall that someone with a $15 extension ladder could climb over. Compromise would be more stringent immigration laws with reduced quotas, and the possibility for dacas who are paying billions of dollars in taxes and many serving the country to have a path to citizenship with stringent requirements- no convictions, no citizenship for relatives, etc. How many of us would be here if our forefathers weren't immigrants? Not me.




 
#32
Nowhere does he say he will get rid of daca like promised when running. He has put that on the table he will grant amnesty to get the alleged wall. He is a goddam lying pos. He willvfuck over 800k poor people in America to reward criminals. He is not enforcing the law right now he is no better than Obama or bush. Every American killed by one of these criminals is on trumps head now.
 
#33
Congress wouldn't give them amnesty when obama was president. Now with trump president the republicans in the house and senate can't wait to and trump signaled that's what he wanted when he set the six mo limit to end daca. I hope he's really getting off on all this democrat praise...
 
#34
So a million refugees are allowed to enter the USA every year, I heard of a proposal today of allowing 200,000 DACA types in every year for 5 years at the cost of counting them within that one million immigrant number. Chew on that.
 
#35
Like someone said, a virtual wall can be more effective than a concrete wall. The fence between East and West Germany was very effective the wall in Berlin even more so.

If Trump can engineer a compromise between the DC shitbirds it could mean we finally get effective border enforcement, hopefully with smart technology instead of a multi billion dollar shiny wall that someone with a $15 extension ladder could climb over(see above). Compromise would be more stringent immigration laws with reduced quotas, you must be young, that is exactly what they did with Reagan, the DC establishment is outsourcing and selling our citizenship.

and the possibility for dacas who are paying billions of dollars in taxes (how are children who are illegal paying taxes?) and many serving the country (how is a criminal serving our country?)
to have a path to citizenship with stringent requirements- no convictions, no citizenship for relatives, etc. This path exists its called legal immigration, million or so people do it every year

How many of us would be here if our forefathers weren't immigrants? Not me. Are you a criminal illegal?




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#36
One compromise could be allowing the people referred to as DACAs to remain inside the US & be granted some sort of residency. This would allow them to work, pay taxes & live under the US' laws & benefiting as the Dems desire. However, it would NOT give them the ability to vote in federal elections. This would most likely be a deal killer for the Dems. Many of the people allowed to stay will eventually fuck up (DUIs, DWIs, DV, assault, narcotics possession, ineligible for welfare benefits) & their legal status would be revoked, thus allowing immigration authorities to send these people back to their countries of origin.
 
#37
The issue you would run into is the repub and dems is the unfair treatment of that group vs any other criminal to get equal treatment and grant full amnesty, the courts would actually force equal treatment, hell they wont even let a president keep out Terrorist prone groups. Dont underestimate the lengths the swamp will go to to further subjugate you you, crush our poor to keep a dependent class and generally destroy our Constitution. Stop using emotion these bastards are strident control freaks with no emotion, they have this down to a science. You are being conditioned.
 
#38
America would be better off if we secured our borders, every sovereign nation should and most countries are able to do so. If we choose not to control who is allowed to enter the country most of the discussion regarding immigration reform is mute. Anyone we deport will just reenter. A majority of Americans want secure borders but big business wants the constant flow of cheap labor. Since big business wants cheap labor Congress does not enable border security. Labors share off Gross Domestic Product relative to the owners of business has declined steadily since the Immigration Reform Act of 1963. The American workers share of the pie will continue to decline. The causes of the death of the middle class are well known but corporate media will not publish the reason.
 
#39
Closing the barn door after the livestock are already roaming the landscape has always been pointless. They're here. Just what do we realistically expect to happen to them? How are we supposed to actually accomplish it? We screwed up, and resetting back to square one is not only impossible, it's downright stupid.

Legalize the ones who are here.

Start from scratch, do it right, and when the politicians squeal, use the cattle prod on them.

Or;

Keep doing what we're doing now, which is crying over the spilled milk.

Greg
 
#40
Greg Langelius * said:
Closing the barn door after the livestock are already roaming the landscape has always been pointless. They're here. Just what do we realistically expect to happen to them? How are we supposed to actually accomplish it? We screwed up, and resetting back to square one is not only impossible, it's downright stupid.

Legalize the ones who are here.

Start from scratch, do it right, and when the politicians squeal, use the cattle prod on them.

Or;

Keep doing what we're doing now, which is crying over the spilled milk.

Greg
Click to expand...

We tried amnesty in '86. The result should have been obvious (and probably was to DC). Rewarding an illegal act will result in more of the same.
 
#41
Y'all gave made several points in which I agree. I don't pretend to have all the answers. I'm not in favor of amnesty. Period. I would suggest sending all persons illegally present in the US back to their countries of origin. It'll be a long process but as we stand in favor of actually enforcing our immigration laws by deportations & holding employers of illegal aliens accountable for their actions, there will be no incentive for illegal aliens to stay in our country, nor for employers to retain said illegal aliens. The costs would far outweigh the benefits. I would also suggest following our immigration laws to the maximum allowable extent under the law. Our immigration officials could do a great job of ridding the tax payers of this illegal alien burden if their was a will to actually enforce the law as written. It would seem that whatever the fight, be it Vietnam to the Middle East / GWOT, or illegal immigration, the Dems would have us fight w/ our best hand tied behind our back. This makes no more sense than pissing into the wind.
 
#42
He hasn't done shit and he is lying, he says he will solve this issue, but he is delaying action. Its because he is trying to figue out how to get his base to agree to amnesty, he is a lying bastard who has only done one thing he promised so far, and since he didn't do DACA day one he is going to fuck over the poorest of our poor by opening the flood gates , this is eroding the middle class in our country too. WE have been betrayed by these two parties.

WATERWALKER said:
I can't believe nobody is talking about POTUS' decision in regards to this topic. It's like "Sequestration, but for Immigration."

http://dennismichaellynch.com/breaki...daca-decision/
Click to expand...

 
#43
Primary their asses. I sent a little money to a billionaire in '16. I'll try to do a little more for a couple firebrands challenging pos republicans in '18. I'm trying to be goddamn peaceful and work in the fucked system.
 
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