Not sure if you knew this, but the ATF does more than just firearms. It's in the name, BATFE, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.
Wasn't sure if you knew that or not.
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Trump won’t abolish the ATF
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Wasn't sure if you knew that or not.
Yeah no it doesn't work that way. He can fire the heads of depts but without the reorganizational act via congress he can't do much to them. W Bush and Reagan both tried but Congress refused to vote on it.
They have to get their quotas in before Jan 20. So the Christmas rush is on!Man... between this thread and Scorched Earth thread the glowies are out in-force today...
What's easier and less violent than a belt fed?
Voting.
You can be a cool "I don't want to interfere libertarian" all you want. You didn't vote which makes you one of the biggest fucking morons. And this is the Bear Pit. That's a fucking high bar.
I also note you said "my hole"
If you are a "fellow gun entusiast" its YOUR HOLE TOO!
You so deserve this:
It’s almost impossible to abolish a government agency or program, the tentacles just reach everything, I believe it was Reagan who said the closest thing to internal is a government program. The good news is the ATF is effectively neutered for the next 4 years, possibly the next 12 if things go well and Vance takes over. While it’s not like I like that the ATF exists but during Trump’s first term the ATF affect on anything was minimal at best and applications were processed in a few weeks. I have utter confidence the calling everything a machine gun nonsense is over and we have the real possibility of getting suppressors removed from the naughty list. I do see the real chance of passing legislation of limiting the ATF to a very small box which is realistically the best we can hope for unless we somehow get a super majority in 2026 or 2028.
Well, we already knew the part above about your personal characteristics.
As for not voting, that’s your right to abdicate your responsibility as a citizen. IMO, contemptible but it is your right.
But, as a result, you have zero standing to say anything about elections and federal policy.
You want to bail out….no problem but I, for one, have no interest in anything you have to say about our government or its policies.
Disbanding the ATF probably isn't realistic, BUT I would be ok if they were put on an EXTREMELY short leash....
Yup, gay retard communist is in some type of glowie position:
Probably trying for an end of contract bonus before it gets terminated...
Probably trying for an end of contract bonus before it gets terminated...
That's a good question. However, this thread isn't as gay as the thread about deodorant.
really 3 issues here. 1) lib party-that it has become a bunch of gay dopers is a bit overstated,but not by much. their focus on nothing but less recreational drug enforcement has merit IMHO but is very open to debate about should,would,could,how,why. is an important issue but well down the need to do list. saying you don't vote because libertarian is total BS. they run candidates and have for years. said before,was a member in past til i got a good look at what the party influencers were all about and saying. their stated and hinted at program was very left. subtle but left for sure. that and running a gay pres candidate puts them well into the woke range. reinforces their truly left wing agenda. ron paul would not fit in there now and he really started whole the thing.
2) abolish ATF? seems like a good idea,but pres just can't abolish a fed agency and there are a whole bunch that need to go. am not a fed law expert but i think there are ways. repeal civ service act and just fire them; get house to defund them during budget time; trump prev tried to get a lot of these agencies made answerable to pres. that effort didn't succeed and i don't recall all the details. all the bureaucracy's rules could just be denied enforcement by exec order. they are not laws and should have no weight anyway. mission statements could be severely curtailed. open positions could just be closed. is ATF needed? tobacco and etoh have no business being fed issues. that shit all started with the volstead act & needs deleting. guns and explosives? a whole long & involved discussion and i need to shut up.
2) abolish ATF? seems like a good idea,but pres just can't abolish a fed agency and there are a whole bunch that need to go. am not a fed law expert but i think there are ways. repeal civ service act and just fire them; get house to defund them during budget time; trump prev tried to get a lot of these agencies made answerable to pres. that effort didn't succeed and i don't recall all the details. all the bureaucracy's rules could just be denied enforcement by exec order. they are not laws and should have no weight anyway. mission statements could be severely curtailed. open positions could just be closed. is ATF needed? tobacco and etoh have no business being fed issues. that shit all started with the volstead act & needs deleting. guns and explosives? a whole long & involved discussion and i need to shut up.
There are actual crimes with firearms by actual criminals, actual arsons and illegal liquor that still could use some attention. If these idiots focused on actual crimes instead of screwing with law abiding citizens the guys in F-Troop might actually have something to contribute to actual law enforcement.
Don't get me wrong, I think most of them are straight up fucking idiots, but if managed correctly they could be turned into a useful agency.
Don't get me wrong, I think most of them are straight up fucking idiots, but if managed correctly they could be turned into a useful agency.
He may not be able to abolish the agency, but he could announce that it is being relocated to Asshole, NM, or to somewhere inside the Arctic Circle, and anyone who wants to keep their job will have to relocate outside the Beltway.
There are numerous ways to remove the outer surface covering of a feline. Not all are the traditional method.
There are numerous ways to remove the outer surface covering of a feline. Not all are the traditional method.
Relocating the main office of the ATF to Solen, ND, (Population 70), and requiring in-office a minimum of 4 days each week (Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday) would probably lead virtually all of the ATF employees to resign, even though they could work remotely on Wednesdays.
Being required to complete 4 coloring books each day in addition to their other tasks would encourage the remainder to consider other options.
Y'all just ain't devious enough for the strategery required to get rid of unnecessary agencies.
Being required to complete 4 coloring books each day in addition to their other tasks would encourage the remainder to consider other options.
Y'all just ain't devious enough for the strategery required to get rid of unnecessary agencies.
...central illinois...... Illinois, ahem, Deutschland über alles....
In the United States, however, laws are made by the Senate and the House of Representatives, with the President approving or vetoing those proposed laws.
Given that the ATF was enacted by Congress.... That means that he gets to ask them to do something, and then can approve or veto what they send him.
If you want the ATF abolished, call your congressman or senator. ...or do what the rest of us have been doing: support organizations that are suing the crap out of them, which brings in the 3rd branch of government to to determine what laws are constitutional or being implemented outside of their legal purview.
The only thing two things Trump will do to solve the ATF issue: Send another supreme court justice to the high court, and tell the ATF lead to stop fucking with Americans. Otherwise, it's congress...
Whoa whoa whoa, leave white lightning out of this discussion, I got some cousins to go visit in the hills I need to go visit
HSNARC=
High School
NARC
Do they even use that term anymore?
Snitches get stitches seems to be more popular.
yah what about all three letters?
"we make our own whiskey and our own smoke too"
"we make our own whiskey and our own smoke too"
No matter how I date it or represent the enormous list of facts, this libtard will just keep arguing and attacking everyone on here. He admits he doesn’t vote yet bitches about politics. He doesn’t remove his hat for the Nation Anthem , doesn’t care about pledge of allegiance. He’s either non American or he’s only here to stir shit in the pit.
Fuck out of here with this bullshit.
Anything Trump does can be undone by the next president. I want Congress to grow a set and act. But they have abdicated their power to get reelected.
All those things don't require a federal agency.
Illegal liquor? So pay the king and then it's good to go?
Yes, they still say that….
I posted that more for general reference, cause people tend to not think about how things really work. (Aside from all the back room politics nonsense.)
It’s almost like the high school narcs aren’t being taught government and ethics are no longer being taught in high school school.
Dump the "F" part and it's actually a pretty useful federal agency.
I don't want high drive dynamite being tossed around by 80iq droolers..
Gotta be the faggot with the mid-rise black socks in the middle.
Froman? As in "Abe Froman?" The Sausage King of Chicago?
Look man, I'm a low poster but 5 posts since 2013? Mmm-kay.
you are libertarian and didnt even vote for the libertarian candidate that was on the ballot?
that just seems crazy.
Sorry your girl lost.
What the fuck is he going to put in his rot pocket if ATF Fluid is abolished?
More showboating. It's worthless when the Democrats are in control of the house. Let's see if they put it out there after the republicants are in control after January
Introduced and moved to committee in Jan 2023. And, surprise, no movement. Only 10 cosponsors? This is a nothing-burger. The most common political comfort food. Not very filling, but at least it’s unsatisfying…
Yes .gov shouldn’t be involved in them anyway
Also. Apologizing for the kings men in 2024. Wow
Meh, see it how you want. I'm not apologizing for anyone. But make no mistake, remove the .gov from them and they'll become as radicalized as the state will let them get.
For one, it's not entirely up to him. You can piss and moan about how Trump won't do this or that but at the end of the day he has to convince almost 300 other key people to do it as well.
As for a more generic comment, no one likes a pessimistic, defeatist whiner. Just saying.
Vivek literally said:
“The first 4 agencies I would disband are FBI, ATF, CDC, and Dept of Education."
We don’t know what Trump and team are going to do, but there is going to be a lot of momentum to at least shut down the ATF. They have no enumerated power mentioned, and are tasked with violating the Bill or Rights and interstate commerce, so they’re an easy decision for judicial interpretation.
Either way, I’ve been an advocate for States just declaring them banished from within their borders, for the above reasons, with huge penalties covered in USC 18 Sec 241 and 242.
The only legitimate thing the Bureau does is counterintelligence, and they suck at it, with along track record of continual failure there since the 1930s. Soviets had their number out of the gate practically, with the Hoover and Mafia compromises.
Repurpose it to an advocacy agency to help find ways to produce more alcohol, tobacco, and firearms.
Real dynamite hasn’t been widely-manufactured and distributed for commercial and military purposes for generations. It has been replaced with other, very stable explosive compounds that also have excellent shelf life.
ATF doesn’t do much of anything in that space other than their bomb squad, which has been in a constant turf war with the Bureau’s bomb squad.
ATF was created by the Mafia, not Congress. ATU was a Mafia outfit with badges meant to squeeze out small-time bootleggers during Prohibition, who were trying to encroach on the Family’s existing market.
The 1970s evolution of this agency was to counter “peckerwood” motorcycle gangs, since the Italians/Sicilians/Irish didn’t like competition in that space. Look at ATF SAC and ASAC last names. It’s a Mafia front through-and-through.
There was always something that bothered me about them and the Bureau with the last names that was right in our faces, but seemed too obvious to connect to anything until it just didn’t make any other sense.
Even the whistle-blowers are either Italian or Irish. What are the odds mathematically for that to be true?
Then look at their organizational culture. Loyalty to the bosses is priority #1, and those bosses are generally no-show guys who are connected to somebody that gave them the power to land such a gig.
The biggest problem in the gun community is we treat the ATF like a legitimate law enforcement agency, even though they have zero authority in our laws to exist. They do have power, but there are only so few of them.
Excellent!
You have identified your problem, and have accepted that have a problem. This is huge, as most folks spend years in therapy to come to these honest conclusions.
I think maybe you are well on your way to recovery. Unfortunately there is no cure for your crippling stupidity, but hey....gives you room to focus on that other shit.
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