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Danish mask study
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If the masks worked, then the governors in the states that have had mandatory mask usage since the summer wouldn't have to keep extending said mandates.
This is a great article explaining the theory behind masking up.
If the mask nazis had a study showing that the masks work we would have heard about it long ago. This is the next global warming, not one shred of evidence and “you shall comply!”
If masks worked there wouldn't be any need for lock downs.
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The only reason for mask mandates is to create Conformity and submission. It's the reason why when you take hostages or prisoners you cover their head. Once that covering goes on people are almost immediately submissive. It's the same reason certain culture has women cover their faces... Keeps them submissive.
And it might get really ugly. Just wait till the first person is shot for not wearing a mask and the ticketing officer claims they were scared.
If you're an asymptomatic carrier of covid, then wearing a mask will lower the degree in which you infect places and people. Super simple stuff.
No it wont
My observation. Regardless of your position on the mask issue...
Wayyyy more people are wearing masks than not. Hell in my smallish completely red AO, I put mask use at about 85-90%.
Yet cases are skyrocketing.
Pretty much shows me, how effective masks are...
But all you hear is how americans are not doing their part. The fuck. Well here they are and its making a incredibly small, if no noticeable difference.
So, i then have to ask myself. Why are we still being shamed. A vast majority are wearing masks, yet somehow the media says this aint so. Why would they do this?
Btw, where the fuck are all the n95s?
Wayyyy more people are wearing masks than not. Hell in my smallish completely red AO, I put mask use at about 85-90%.
Yet cases are skyrocketing.
Pretty much shows me, how effective masks are...
But all you hear is how americans are not doing their part. The fuck. Well here they are and its making a incredibly small, if no noticeable difference.
So, i then have to ask myself. Why are we still being shamed. A vast majority are wearing masks, yet somehow the media says this aint so. Why would they do this?
Btw, where the fuck are all the n95s?
As critical as I am of some people I can't really blame them for having the mask up point of view. Everywhere they turn their hearing the same thing mask up, people not wearing masks are evil vile creatures. It's in sports, all your commercials are turning to masks now, social distancing blah, blah, blah.
The problem is people of lost critical thinking skills and don't question anything. You can watch multiple news channels and literally hear the exact same thing. That is transferred into commercials, periodicals, TV shows, Hollywood.
Worse off is when you go talk to some people all they do is just regurgitate bogus BS. And worse yet, listening to the news, if there's somebody that doesn't carry the narrative they're cut off.
The problem is people of lost critical thinking skills and don't question anything. You can watch multiple news channels and literally hear the exact same thing. That is transferred into commercials, periodicals, TV shows, Hollywood.
Worse off is when you go talk to some people all they do is just regurgitate bogus BS. And worse yet, listening to the news, if there's somebody that doesn't carry the narrative they're cut off.
Does anyone remember what verse it was from the bible, that says we are being controlled. That only by having the mark could we be free to buy & sell, etc.
For the slow ones in class.
The mask is an equivalent to a red flag law.
By assumption alone you'd like to make me abide.
I.E., I assume you're sick/ assume you're dangerous.
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The mask is an equivalent to a red flag law.
By assumption alone you'd like to make me abide.
I.E., I assume you're sick/ assume you're dangerous.
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The mask thing is dumb.
It's an extraordinary measure (like others recently implemented), without the extraordinary evidence to back it up. Media and politicians keep throwing terms around like "the science is settled, wear a mask", when really that's not the truth.
We don't really have any idea of what the efficacy is of mandatory mask use in mitigating community spread of this virus. Seeing as how COVID-19 cases are on the rise, I doubt masks work beyond any sort of marginal measure.
I get why some people think they work (and maybe they do to some small degree). The thought is that large droplets are the main method of transmission, and it makes sense that if you put something in front of your droplet hole that it will mitigate some of the spread of the droplets. However, there's more to it then just that. While we have a high degree of compliance, we are not, and never will be at 100% compliance. They also aren't accounting for how everyone is going to be constantly touching their face and masks all the time to adjust them. Not only that, but how often are people re-using masks before sanitizing? I bet 99+% of people aren't handling or sanitizing their masks correctly. Then there's the whole pesky aersol transmission part, of which we don't know how much that occurs.
In short, to say that "masks work" or "the science is settled" is incorrect and misleading. There are no studies to my knowledge on mandatory non-medical mask use and their efficacy in mitigating transmission of COVID-19. They've done other studies in the past with other airborne respiratory virus and non-medical mask use, and the results show that masks essentially do nothing.
I think the mask policies are overly simplistic, and more of a reactionary measure then one based in proper science. What really concerns me is the morality assigned to mask use now - as if all of a sudden us as individuals are responsible for the spread of a virus that's completely out of our control.
I've found that those that believe masks work are looking at the problem from an overly simplified (and some times emotional) standpoint, rather then an objective and pragmatic one that recognizes all the hurdles and potential consequences of mask use.
It's an extraordinary measure (like others recently implemented), without the extraordinary evidence to back it up. Media and politicians keep throwing terms around like "the science is settled, wear a mask", when really that's not the truth.
We don't really have any idea of what the efficacy is of mandatory mask use in mitigating community spread of this virus. Seeing as how COVID-19 cases are on the rise, I doubt masks work beyond any sort of marginal measure.
I get why some people think they work (and maybe they do to some small degree). The thought is that large droplets are the main method of transmission, and it makes sense that if you put something in front of your droplet hole that it will mitigate some of the spread of the droplets. However, there's more to it then just that. While we have a high degree of compliance, we are not, and never will be at 100% compliance. They also aren't accounting for how everyone is going to be constantly touching their face and masks all the time to adjust them. Not only that, but how often are people re-using masks before sanitizing? I bet 99+% of people aren't handling or sanitizing their masks correctly. Then there's the whole pesky aersol transmission part, of which we don't know how much that occurs.
In short, to say that "masks work" or "the science is settled" is incorrect and misleading. There are no studies to my knowledge on mandatory non-medical mask use and their efficacy in mitigating transmission of COVID-19. They've done other studies in the past with other airborne respiratory virus and non-medical mask use, and the results show that masks essentially do nothing.
I think the mask policies are overly simplistic, and more of a reactionary measure then one based in proper science. What really concerns me is the morality assigned to mask use now - as if all of a sudden us as individuals are responsible for the spread of a virus that's completely out of our control.
I've found that those that believe masks work are looking at the problem from an overly simplified (and some times emotional) standpoint, rather then an objective and pragmatic one that recognizes all the hurdles and potential consequences of mask use.
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I like hell there's a narrative going around that healthy people are transmitting this. There is zero evidence of that which means we were burnt back to historically what the public knows about various viruses.
I wonder how many people online telling people masks work, who accuse those people of not being infectious disease experts, are themselves, not infectious disease experts. Answer, all of them.
If you think COVID is staking bodies like cordwood anywhere. You need to stop watching the fear mongering and go look at the data.
So you only listen to doctors the news tells you to. Why not the others, that say those doctors are lying? Do you trust the news?
If you think COVID is staking bodies like cordwood anywhere. You need to stop watching the fear mongering and go look at the data.
So you only listen to doctors the news tells you to. Why not the others, that say those doctors are lying? Do you trust the news?
Right?...
All people who disagree with a mask mandate are mouth breathers...
It could never be those who take a benevolent governments word on it.
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It's 100% about placing the blame for any virus transmission over zero on the public and not on the fucktarded politicians making up idiotic tyrannical rules as they go along. Everything is blamed on the tiny percentage of people not wearing masks and routinely being in close proximity to people (because remember, although they just keep making up new things, it was supposed to be wear a mask if you CAN'T socially distance...and now it's wear masks 100% of the time even when alone outside).
The ones I love are the ones restricting alcohol sales...like the only way to stop Covid is eliminating all fun and enjoyment from life.
There is no longer living, only existing. The absence of Covid is the only definition of public health.
Fuck I'm so tired of all this shit and mainly just further disappointed in humanity for accepting all this over a risk that we would have scoffed at for the previous million years of human history.
The ones I love are the ones restricting alcohol sales...like the only way to stop Covid is eliminating all fun and enjoyment from life.
There is no longer living, only existing. The absence of Covid is the only definition of public health.
Fuck I'm so tired of all this shit and mainly just further disappointed in humanity for accepting all this over a risk that we would have scoffed at for the previous million years of human history.
The masks are about fear and control.
In the beginning, if I remember correctly, the CDC said that non n95+ masks (what 99.99% of people are currently wearing) don't do anything and therefore a mandate wont do anything.
Then people panicked, "OMG the virus is unstoppable, we can't protect our selves with masks"
Then magically things reversed course and mask mandates abounded. The simpletons relaxed, now they are safe, the mask will save them.
Fear abounded, fear of the non-mask wearers, the fear that springs from everyone around you having a mask on, the signs everywhere.
And at the root of it all, people did what they were told without questioning it, without a second thought.
All of that comes from someone who will when meeting with elderly clients put a mask on, because the mask MAY do something to help protect them.
Like others have said if masks were a magic bullet certain countries and states would be doing drastically better then others but there not.
In the beginning, if I remember correctly, the CDC said that non n95+ masks (what 99.99% of people are currently wearing) don't do anything and therefore a mandate wont do anything.
Then people panicked, "OMG the virus is unstoppable, we can't protect our selves with masks"
Then magically things reversed course and mask mandates abounded. The simpletons relaxed, now they are safe, the mask will save them.
Fear abounded, fear of the non-mask wearers, the fear that springs from everyone around you having a mask on, the signs everywhere.
And at the root of it all, people did what they were told without questioning it, without a second thought.
All of that comes from someone who will when meeting with elderly clients put a mask on, because the mask MAY do something to help protect them.
Like others have said if masks were a magic bullet certain countries and states would be doing drastically better then others but there not.
It's kinda like the folks that have a hard time wearing PPE on a job site. Sure, you might not need that particular piece of gear on at a given moment, ideally you pop it on or off depending on the hazards. Know what happens when you give people that leeway? Dumb shit. A hazard shows up, they don't have their lid on, and someone gets wrecked. Now you've got a rule that everyone needs their hardhat on as soon as they're past the fence and god help you if you're caught with it off. It's annoying, over the top, and everyone hates it, but it's also not much of a bother unless you're in the mood for a recreational moan - then it might be the worst thing ever. Get a few buddies on board and warm up your vocal chords to start the chorus of braying jackasses.
Same deal with COVID and asymptomatic carriers. Is wearing a mask a useful layer for a combination of imperfect strategies? Yea. Clearly. Might you end up wearing a mask a whole bunch when its totally unnecessary? Obviously. Would having smarter and more targeted approaches be better? Yup. Can communities effectively self police to take appropriate precautions when the situation actually merits it? Sometimes, but if you've got enough individuals skipping out on being proactive in all situations it falls apart pretty quickly.
Anecdotally, I've been running risk management this year for about 1,000,000 man hours by small teams operating throughout the country and have plenty of examples of the effectiveness of stacking imperfect mitigation strategies. Shit works. It's not rocket science. Beyond COVID infection, general disease rates for things like colds, flus, and norovirus have plummeted in those teams. All time lows. So no, I'm not an epidemiologist, but I have been successfully managing this shit for tons of people. How about you?
I agree that the gov't has totally dropped the ball on managing things at the federal, state, and local levels. I agree there's a balance to be struck between requiring something in all situations and requiring it in ones that more clearly merit it. I agree that all of this sucks ass and has highlighted a lot of things that aren't working well in our society or might be moving in a bad direction. But masks work, kinda, at least when there's a situation for them to be working in. They work way better combined with other things than alone.
At the end of the day it's all about cheese anyway.
Same deal with COVID and asymptomatic carriers. Is wearing a mask a useful layer for a combination of imperfect strategies? Yea. Clearly. Might you end up wearing a mask a whole bunch when its totally unnecessary? Obviously. Would having smarter and more targeted approaches be better? Yup. Can communities effectively self police to take appropriate precautions when the situation actually merits it? Sometimes, but if you've got enough individuals skipping out on being proactive in all situations it falls apart pretty quickly.
Anecdotally, I've been running risk management this year for about 1,000,000 man hours by small teams operating throughout the country and have plenty of examples of the effectiveness of stacking imperfect mitigation strategies. Shit works. It's not rocket science. Beyond COVID infection, general disease rates for things like colds, flus, and norovirus have plummeted in those teams. All time lows. So no, I'm not an epidemiologist, but I have been successfully managing this shit for tons of people. How about you?
I agree that the gov't has totally dropped the ball on managing things at the federal, state, and local levels. I agree there's a balance to be struck between requiring something in all situations and requiring it in ones that more clearly merit it. I agree that all of this sucks ass and has highlighted a lot of things that aren't working well in our society or might be moving in a bad direction. But masks work, kinda, at least when there's a situation for them to be working in. They work way better combined with other things than alone.
At the end of the day it's all about cheese anyway.
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One big fallacy in all this...I can ask my employees to wear pretty much anything I want, PPE-wise, or they can go enjoy their chances in the unemployment line. Since I'm not a shiftless piece of garbage, the government isn't paying me (quite the opposite actually), and frankly I don't give a fuck what they tell me I can and can't do regarding my body.
The idea of wearing a mask to prevent "asymptomatic spread" (by the way, there were a bunch of now buried studies released saying asymptomatic spread was nearly nonexistent) is ridiculous. Another piece of information lost to history is the CDC, Surgeon General, etc. etc. saying you should only wear a mask if you're actually sick with symptoms and must be in public. Again, we are now at everyone must wear a mask at all times even outside by yourself. It's the stupidest shit I've ever heard in my life.
PPE, is Personal Protective Equipment. I.E it has proven to protect the wearer against the present hazards. Masking up every healthy person is not comparable, its not scientific, its not legal, and its clearly not helping.
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The words in bold, did these just surface in 2019?
How about me? Not wearing one in Lowes or Food Lion for my daily routine, kiss my ass. I have a respirator used for grinding metal or mixing chemicals.
Real world example; needed to cut a small portion of the tile counter top for a new stove, asked wife for some masks they use at the Dr's office. This was a test of mine as she is pro mask when not with me. Within seconds of the diamond blade touching tile, dust was spewing about, we could both smell and taste the dust. I asked her how would a micron sized virus particle fair with these retarded masks. You would need the respirator I mentioned above to make a "slight" difference, that is assuming it didn't enter through your eyes..
Of course they didn't just surface in 2019. Things that limit spread of COVID also limit spread of other infectious disease. Duh.
If you think I'm saying a face covering/n95 paper mask is equivalent to a silicone half mask or better thats been test fitted, well, no. Not all respiratory hazards are created equal or managed in the same way.
As for asymptomatic folks not shedding virus, again, no. They don't have the same risk profile as someone hacking up a lung though if that's what you're trying to say.
But by all means, continue the serenade.
If you think I'm saying a face covering/n95 paper mask is equivalent to a silicone half mask or better thats been test fitted, well, no. Not all respiratory hazards are created equal or managed in the same way.
As for asymptomatic folks not shedding virus, again, no. They don't have the same risk profile as someone hacking up a lung though if that's what you're trying to say.
But by all means, continue the serenade.
I’ll preface this with saying I agree with portions of a lot of various posts on here. Realistically, there’s a lot of unknowns right now but somehow people seem to know all about it.
Since everyone is endorsing their opinions as facts, I’ll share mine...I’d venture to say the vast majority of people in here don’t possess the knowledge nor the education to thoroughly review these articles and critique the quality of them. I’m not trying to be degrading, I just know how complicated statistics can be and how they’re often manipulated to show a desired outcome. Sometimes purposefully and sometimes solely by limitations in research. When you read editorial reviews of these articles they’re usually done by experts that have studied these aspects their entire life. The trend of posts seems to be the same people that always seem to know everything about everything on here.
What the fuck happened to my body my choice?
Take your masks and fuck right the hell off. There has been ZERO studies on the actual factual numbers of masks doing anything. Actually take some time and look into what is being touted as "evidence "
You are responsible for your own health and well being. You want to walk around scared of the air....well then so be it. But stay the fuck out of my face when I refuse to put a diaper on my face.
Take your masks and fuck right the hell off. There has been ZERO studies on the actual factual numbers of masks doing anything. Actually take some time and look into what is being touted as "evidence "
You are responsible for your own health and well being. You want to walk around scared of the air....well then so be it. But stay the fuck out of my face when I refuse to put a diaper on my face.
Lots of unknowns my ass. Just because your only source of info is your fear mongering news. Doesn't mean its the only source. Just because you don't know doesn't mean know one does.
Its funny how some always go back to the Dr. as proof, and ignore the Dr. saying masks and lock downs don't work. And also ignore the real world data that has unfolded in front of your face over the last 8 months and realize they do not work.
Its funny how some always go back to the Dr. as proof, and ignore the Dr. saying masks and lock downs don't work. And also ignore the real world data that has unfolded in front of your face over the last 8 months and realize they do not work.
yep.
The masks are a government experiment in social obedience.
Per OSHA regs which are backed by results.
PPE (Personal protective equipment) is ALWAYS the last line of defense. Engineered controls are the primary protection method.
If the "PPE" is not tested it has no value of effectiveness. Or if someone does not know how to use the PPE it is useless.
Biggest reason for the "spread" is lack of self awareness, there have been multiple instances at the plant I work at of people still showing up not feeling well, with fevers.....Some just totally not paying attention to there body, some people are F it I am going out or going to work anyway.
The masks are a government experiment in social obedience.
Per OSHA regs which are backed by results.
PPE (Personal protective equipment) is ALWAYS the last line of defense. Engineered controls are the primary protection method.
If the "PPE" is not tested it has no value of effectiveness. Or if someone does not know how to use the PPE it is useless.
Biggest reason for the "spread" is lack of self awareness, there have been multiple instances at the plant I work at of people still showing up not feeling well, with fevers.....Some just totally not paying attention to there body, some people are F it I am going out or going to work anyway.
Even if I could I would never admit to it because whoever smelled it dealt it....
Please continue to wear your mask after this hoax is finally called out. There will still be lots of diseases around. Like the flu.
77% of people that contracted covid said they had worn a mask since the beginning.
20% said they wore a mask sometimes.
3% said they'd never worn a mask.
I'd say Darwin is doing just fine.
Mandatory universal masks are the stupidest shit. I've had Covid for like two weeks now, weirdest BS symptoms, like flu all out of order (fever, then aches and chills with no fever, headache, coughing, total loss of taste and smell for a week, now weird tastes and smells, etc.).
As far as I can tell I got it at an indoor USPSA match...in which EVERYONE wears masks (average age is high), and we are only allowed 5 people on a squad and everyone pretty much stays away from everyone else.
So in literally the highest possible ventilation area (indoor shooting range), wearing a mask, with massive social distancing, I get fucking Covid anyway.
As far as I can tell I got it at an indoor USPSA match...in which EVERYONE wears masks (average age is high), and we are only allowed 5 people on a squad and everyone pretty much stays away from everyone else.
So in literally the highest possible ventilation area (indoor shooting range), wearing a mask, with massive social distancing, I get fucking Covid anyway.
I wear a mask religiously “like I’m supposed to”, still caught it. Only reason I got tested is cuz I lost my sense of smell, but by that point I’d assume I had it for a few days, I don’t often go around trying to smell things. My wife and kids never caught it from me (thank god) and prior to losing my smell I hadn’t changed how I interact with them. Sample of one but make your own conclusion from those facts.
Phil Fulmer the athletic director of the University of Tennessee said that he tested positive for the China Flu.
He's been doing commercials supporting the mask.
Ummmm. Wonder what he thinks now? I guess you will pretty much say anything for the right sum of money.
He's been doing commercials supporting the mask.
Ummmm. Wonder what he thinks now? I guess you will pretty much say anything for the right sum of money.
