DeLane Development Group Rimfire Ventures

[RAVAGE88]

Congratulations Mike,
Very well done.

I'll watch the videos when I get back,
Off to finish up a long term car project for a good friend.

Thanks, Dude, much appreciated.

MB

 

[RAVAGE88]

Looks great, can't wait to get mine. Was there just not enough demand for a 5 round round mag to be viable?

Thanks, Dude. Correct, not enough demand for the five round to cover what it would cost for NRE.

MB

 

[RAVAGE88]

Mike that function test looks great - couple of questions if I may:

Have you repeated that function test with flat nose Eley ammo?

Can we get the height dimensions of the new mags? 10, 12 and 15?
This will allow a direct comparison with current std nylon mags as well as ones using extenders.
Reason is overall height can be a factor in PRS style shooting and may influence my choice between 12 and 15 rounders.

Thanks again for all you efforts in this arena!

Hey, Ben,
Thanks.

I haven't fed Eley yet but anyone experiencing feed issues with Eley has a rifle setup issue, not a magazine issue. I'll cover this in Video 3 of my video series.

I'll put a number of specifics together for heights in a post that should help with various comparisons.

MB

 

[J_Reacher]

Hi Mike,

Will your website have consolidated all your instructional videos? It would be nice to have one centralized location to find them for future reference.

 

[RAVAGE88]

Hi Mike,

Will your website have consolidated all your instructional videos? It would be nice to have one centralized location to find them for future reference.

Definitely.

MB

 

[LR1845]

@RAVAGE88 Mike whats the weight of these mags?

 

[J_Reacher]

@RAVAGE88 Mike whats the weight of these mags?

If I had to guess, more than the equivalent capacity polymer Vudoo mag, but less than the L3i billet Stinger mag (way less)

 

[LR1845]

If I had to guess, more than the equivalent capacity polymer Vudoo mag, but less than the L3i billet Stinger mag (way less)

Nice! And I see you know why I was asking…I remember everyone excited to get the Li3 mags then a lot of ppl did not like the weight.

I have 3 of the Li3 mags and like them, yeah they are a little heavy but they are pretty nice.

 

[Thesepaperwings]

Nice! And I see you know why I was asking…I remember everyone excited to get the Li3 mags then a lot of ppl did not like the weight.

I have 3 of the Li3 mags and like them, yeah they are a little heavy but they are pretty nice.

The mag weight thing to me is crazy and was the hardest thing to understand lol. The original stinger at 16oz was loved by centerfire guys but too heavy for rimfire shooters, the current stinger mag is 13oz, the rimx is 12oz, the anschutz is light with weights to make it 16oz, bergara and vudoo are lighter now with weighted extensions to get them anywhere from 4oz to 16oz. I think every magazine manufacturer just figured out they should make what they make and people will either buy it or not lol

 

[J_Reacher]

The mag weight thing to me is crazy and was the hardest thing to understand lol. The original stinger at 16oz was loved by centerfire guys but too heavy for rimfire shooters, the current stinger mag is 13oz, the rimx is 12oz, the anschutz is light with weights to make it 16oz, bergara and vudoo are lighter now with weighted extensions to get them anywhere from 4oz to 16oz. I think every magazine manufacturer just figured out they should make what they make and people will either buy it or not lol

Are you willing to take back the OG 16oz magazines and swap for the G2 13oz versions to make your customers less dissatisfied? Or even offer a service to have the OG milled internally to match the G2 (for a reasonable small fee for the machining T&L)? I reached out via email and got no response at all…ghosted.

 

[Thesepaperwings]

Are you willing to take back the OG 16oz magazines and swap for the G2 13oz versions to make your customers less dissatisfied? Or even offer a service to have the OG milled internally to match the G2 (for a reasonable small fee for the machining T&L)? I reached out via email and got no response at all…ghosted.

I don't think we'd be able to since the weight was known beforehand and the rework time would prob be more cost that making a new one. That being said there's still a huge demand for them since the world championship production class was just won with it. I don't think it would be hard to sell used on the hide and replace it.

My comment was more about MB new mag and how I recommend just making it the way he wants vs trying to capture a specific weight.

 

[J_Reacher]

I don't think we'd be able to since the weight was known beforehand and the rework time would prob be more cost that making a new one. That being said there's still a huge demand for them since the world championship production class was just won with it. I don't think it would be hard to sell used on the hide and replace it.

My comment was more about MB new mag and how I recommend just making it the way he wants vs trying to capture a specific weight.

Well, remember the old adage “If you are not taking care of your customer, your competitor will” - Bob Hooey

 

[RAVAGE88]

@RAVAGE88 Mike whats the weight of these mags?

Hey, Dude, the data I have at the moment for weight of each capacity is based on a Mass Properties Study, which is generated by the software I use. I'll weigh the 10-round today, but according to the study, it's very slightly heavier than the RimX mag.

I'll be doing a post soon showing the various length dimensions, as various community members are considering barricade stops and other parts of their kit, to fold the new mags into their table-of-equipment.

MB

 

[LR1845]

Hey, Dude, the data I have at the moment for weight of each capacity is based on a Mass Properties Study, which is generated by the software I use. I'll weigh the 10-round today, but according to the study, it's very slightly heavier than the RimX mag.

I'll be doing a post soon showing the various length dimensions, as the community is considering barricade stops and other parts of their kit, to fold the new mags into their table-of-equipment.

MB

Thanks Mike.

 

[RAVAGE88]

If I had to guess, more than the equivalent capacity polymer Vudoo mag, but less than the L3i billet Stinger mag (way less)

Yessir, also lighter than my Gen 1 Aluminum mag.

MB

 

[Pomyluy]

Well, remember the old adage “If you are not taking care of your customer, your competitor will” - Bob Hooey

The sense of entitlement some customers exhibit is unreal.

 

[Agracer]

Fire Control System, Part 1

This video is Part 1 of a 2 Part topic regarding the Fire Control System (FCS) used in the early Gen 2 through Gen 3 V22 action designs. I am the original designer/inventor of these platforms. In Part 1 of the "Fire Control System," I'm covering the basics of bolt assembly disassembly, replacing the cocking piece, bolt assembly re-assembly and proper adjustment of the handoff timing, aka, "Firing Pin Fall."

This video assumes one is using the standard 22-pound force main spring (firing pin spring) and is desiring to tap into all the available energy offered by the higher rate main spring.

Part 2 of the FCS series will cover the Main Spring Kit that includes color-coded main springs from 15-pound force to 22-pound force. Anyone interested in the Main Spring Kit and/or has general questions about other topics can reach out to me at [email protected].

Following the FCS Part 2 video (which should be available within three weeks), I'll cover, in great detail, Feeding and Cycling Issues; how to properly diagnose them and how to set up your rifle without worry of malfunction in a match.

MB

While we all love you for posting this, please for the love of all that is holy, turn the Camera landscape for future videos...my eyes are next to each other, not on top of each other !

 

[RAVAGE88]

While we all love you for posting this, please for the love of all that is holy, turn the Camera landscape for future videos...my eyes are next to each other, not on top of each other !

Dude! wait!, I'm confused....the day prior to filming I was telling a guy on here about the content I was planning and close to the end of the conversation, he said, "oh, yeah, you need to remember that @Agracer is a cyclops, so don't film in landscape mode, it gives him a headache." Are you telling me I was duped?!

MB

 

[Agracer]

Dude! wait!, I'm confused....the day prior to filming I was telling a guy on here about the content I was planning and close to the end of the conversation, he said, "oh, yeah, you need to remember that @Agracer is a cyclops, so don't film in landscape mode, it gives him a headache." Are you telling me I was duped?!

MB

Touché!

 

[RAVAGE88]

Touché!

Too funny.

Definitely doing landscape on all future videos, it gave me a headache too....and I'm not even a cyclops.



MB

 

[ma smith]

The mag weight thing to me is crazy and was the hardest thing to understand lol.

Honestly cannot believe people need this explanation in 2025.

 

[Thesepaperwings]

Honestly cannot believe people need this explanation in 2025.

The problem is everyone argues for a different "perfect" weight

 

[RAVAGE88]

The problem is everyone argues for a different "perfect" weight

If I could humbly offer a little perspective... it's more so that opinions about weight, amongst many other things, vary from person-to-person. When I ask questions, it's to gauge the level of subjectivity without expecting specificity, because satisfying every opinion is not possible.

For example, when I asked about magazine capacity, the answers were all over the place. This was actually a good thing. But I didn't make an 11-round mag, or a 14, and not planning to make a five. But for some, the five, 11 and 14 was their "perfect" capacity. Care to guess what the most popular answer was?

When it comes to magazine weight, lighter is always better, because an end user can make it heavier, but can rarely make it lighter without having the tools/machines to make them lighter.

Hope this helps.

MB

 

[lash]

The problem is everyone argues for a different "perfect" weight

If I could humbly offer a little perspective... it's more so that opinions about weight, amongst many other things, vary from person-to-person. When I ask questions, it's to gauge the level of subjectivity without expecting specificity, because satisfying every opinion is not possible.

For example, when I asked about magazine capacity, the answers were all over the place. This was actually a good thing. But I didn't make an 11-round mag, or a 14, and not planning to make a five. But for some, the five, 11 and 14 was their "perfect" capacity. Care to guess what the most popular answer was?

When it comes to magazine weight, lighter is always better, because an end user can make it heavier, but can rarely make it lighter without having the tools/machines to make them lighter.

Hope this helps.

MB

I saw this and it made me believe that the best answer might be to design your magazine to the best function of factors are best and include the easy attachment of aftermarket and your own branded weights.

Similar to some of the competition pistol brands…