That reticle looks great for my purposes, and it has Side Focus with great glass.
Negative is the daylight illumination not being bright, which I don’t use personally.
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That's diffractive, not refractive. Adding it into a scope is not trivial since it is only available from one company at the moment (IMT). You have to get your OEM to work with that company. The reticle illumination system itself costs some extra money and then the scope had to be designed to accommodate IMT's reticle module.Day light illumination looks to be the hardest thing to get right on the high map LPVOs.
Seems as though either a dual focal design (like March) or refractive illumination (Razor 1-10) is the only solution.
I wonder if companies are knowingly "cheaping out" on illumination as most people don't actually care about it, or if they aren't conciously making the decision and just doing what the OEM offers as standard.
Sorry diffractive (I had a feeling I was wrong as I typed that).That's diffractive, not refractive. Adding it into a scope is not trivial since it is only available from one company at the moment (IMT). You have to get your OEM to work with that company. The reticle illumination system itself costs some extra money and then the scope had to be designed to accommodate IMT's reticle module.
ILya
I do not have any insight into the decision making. I am sure it is a part of the discussion. I suspect that the increased price is a major concern.Sorry diffractive (I had a feeling I was wrong as I typed that).
I was aware that the technology was considerably more expensive than the usual method and thus why Delta, Eotech, etc don't use the technology.
Which was why I wonder if they actual consider it as an option and choose not to knowning people will complain about the illuminiation, or if it doesn't even cross their minds.
Not a critism of Delta as such, more curious as to the decision making, as the question of daylight bright illumination always comes up in relation to LPVOs.
That's what I wonder, I'm guessing like always there's a few noisy people bitching about it but doesn't effect sales as much as a the $500 price increase would.I do not have any insight into the decision making. I am sure it is a part of the discussion. I suspect that the increased price is a major concern.
Everyone complains about illumination, but how many people would actually pay extra $400 - $500 for it? How would that hit the sales numbers?
ILya
I am quite impressed with it so far.That's what I wonder, I'm guessing like always there's a few noisy people bitching about it but doesn't effect sales as much as a the $500 price increase would.
Other than the illumination "issue" it looks like a pretty well rounded LPVO.
You said the 1-10 is lacking a zero stop, surely this is a mistake?
Also you mentioned the elevation turret on the 3.5-21 isn't locking? That seems like an odd choice for a scope that's kinda destined for hunting use.
The 3.5-21 should be here Monday. The dlr reticle looks perfect.1-10x28 has a tree reticle, so the idea is to use that for holdover most of the time and keep the turrets as compact as possible.
3.5-21x44 elevation turret has a zero stop, so checking if you are still zeroed is pretty straightforward. So far, the elevation turret has not shifted on me despite some fairly spirited abuse. It is a new perfect crossover scope, so I expect it to be used for everything from hunting to precision. Think of it as a Mark 5 3.6-18x44 except with better mag range, better parallax range, better reticle selection, better image quality and better consumer price (for the illuminated version).
ILya
I'm not suggesting I disagree with the reasons behind these choices but they aren't the choices I'd have made.1-10x28 has a tree reticle, so the idea is to use that for holdover most of the time and keep the turrets as compact as possible.
3.5-21x44 elevation turret has a zero stop, so checking if you are still zeroed is pretty straightforward. So far, the elevation turret has not shifted on me despite some fairly spirited abuse. It is a new perfect crossover scope, so I expect it to be used for everything from hunting to precision. Think of it as a Mark 5 3.6-18x44 except with better mag range, better parallax range, better reticle selection, better image quality and better consumer price (for the illuminated version).
ILya
I appreciate there are always compromises that need to be made.It takes my interest from a 10 down to maybe a 5 or 6.
This it what I'll never be able to wrap my head around.I appreciate there are always compromises that need to be made.
I just think a zero stop and daylight bright illumination were the wrong compromises.
I can only assume companies do a tonne of market research and know better than us lowly forum dwellers.
That video from SupersetCA above does make it look like the circle is way to big (diameter).Dang... that 1X would be so much more usable if they cut the ring diameter in half and made the ring significantly thicker. I do like the tree part of the reticle.
IMO having a reticle that is rapid to acquire at 1X is a must have for an LPVO. If your LPVO lacks daylight bright illumination, that makes it all the more critical.
Dang... that 1X would be so much more usable if they cut the ring diameter in half and made the ring significantly thicker. I do like the tree part of the reticle.
IMO having a reticle that is rapid to acquire at 1X is a must have for an LPVO. If your LPVO lacks daylight bright illumination, that makes it all the more critical.
I have it and really like it.Has that simpler DLR-1 reticle been mentioned before? I only remember the DPRC-1.
I think thats the ticket for a crossover scopeI have it and really like it.
If This holds up and I have no reason it won’t, I might be slapping these on all my rifles.I think thats the ticket for a crossover scope
Just got my 3.5 x 21 on Saturday. Shipped the day of payment and for me no shipping or tax. Even got a Delta hat with it !Annex Defense seems to stock Delta Strykers. Anyone order from them no problem?
Thanks for the info! Any Hide discount? Which reticle did you get?Just got my 3.5 x 21 on Saturday. Shipped the day of payment and for me no shipping or tax. Even got a Delta hat with it !
I'll look to Annex in the future
Cheers
Didn't try a discount..It was 100 pre plus 1440...Got the DLR-1 cause decided didn't want it too busy for hunting.Thanks for the info! Any Hide discount? Which reticle did you get?
Mine comes in at 28.35 ounces (803.71 grams).There seems to be a discrepancy over the weight of the 3.5-21x44, Delta had different weights listed from earlier specs vs. current specs, anyone who has one in hand, can you weigh and send the results, thank you.
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No manual was included with mine either.Did you get a manual with the scope? Mine didn't come with one. Sent Annex an email about it but got no reply.
Yup,No Manual,No Sunshade,Just a Gawdamn nice scope !
No manual was included with mine either.
Mine is going on a CZ 457 (17 HMR). This is a very versatile optic. I almost decided to put it on a Defiance Anti/.280ai Bartlein in an MDT HNT26. It's definitely nice enough for a fancy bolt action (hunting or precision), DMR-type semi auto, or an accurate rimfire. I can't really think of a mid or long range application where it wouldn't work well.Yup it's a nice scope. I'm going to order another one for another AR.
Did you get a manual with the scope? Mine didn't come with one. Sent Annex an email about it but got no reply.
You're right!! Sorry about that. It went to my spam folder for some reason even though I received messages from you before.We did reply, but according to our email tracking you haven't opened our reply
That's interesting. Wonder if the battery in the SupersetCA video was also weak?Just a quick heads up... the battery that came from the factory in the 1-10x is very weak. Swapped that out and the 1-10x is what i would consider daylight bright now. Not razor/nightforce blinding bright but the closest ive seen