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Diesel truck guys.....

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Diesel performance and MPG dont really belong in the same sentence. When you add more fuel to the motor it will burn it up faster and there you have less in the tank.

You can be modest with your upgrades and not lose much MPG but diesels are used as work vehicles, hauling heavy weight. Not a big Prius to drive cross country in!
 
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Tell that to Jonathan Goodwin and Uli Kruger at H-line conversions.
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http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/tech/20...p.my.hybrid.cnn
 
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Tell that to the numerous drag trucks we have built and are 10 second, 7000 pound beasts! Tell that to the Pull Trucks that blow 5 gallons of diesel on their boost building stage which is about 10-20 seconds.

It's all about what form you are involved in.... high performance will not yield great fuel mileage. My 12valve is 700hp 1400 ft/lbs of torque daily driver and in the city the gas mileage sucks, but on the interstate it does fine.

Its got a lot to do with the see saw affect. What are you willing to sacrifice to meet your goals for the vehicle.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: seaaggie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">my deleted 6.7 running a 120 horse tune will see 19-20 highway and 15-17 city, prior to that i was seeing a whopping 12 city and a max of 16 highway. that being said, i have to drive it like a granny to get 20 highway, driving go fast style i still see 16-17 average.
as to the question of how to get fuel mileage, you will have to get rid of the DPF at minimum due to the fact that it uses a 4th injection event on the exhaust stroke to (regen the filter)which just dumps tons of fuel down the pipe and raises your egt's to close to 1800*f. once you turn off the 4th injection event and take off the dpf it will cool down considerably and will quit dumping extra fuel and also raise your fuel mileage in turn. With reguards to the EGR, that is an optional delete, i still have mine, but it is deactivated. I have had no problems with it just sitting there cluttering up my engine bay, so i'm going to leave it till the rest of my warranty is up then it will come out just in case i have to bring it back to the stealership for some kind of warranty work.
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What tuner and delete did you go with. I've got and 09 6.4 and I'm over regens. I'm thinking about getting the Spartan tuner
 
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I have been driving diesel pickups for 20 years. I have been through about everything you can do to them. With todays trucks having DPF, DEF (not Dodge, yet) and EGR's you have to take a lot off and buy a $750-1000 programmer to eat the codes to get them back to what diesels were 10 years ago. Then you gotta worry with emissions and put it all back on to sell it. In the end it's not worth it to me because the gain you get is never enough to justify the cost though I fault no one for playing with them just like I did in the past. I finally decided to buy a new one every 120,000 miles or so and to heck with messing with them at all. As to a diesel 4WD not getting 20 mpg...my new one will on the highway unloaded. I am back to Ford (the new 6.7) now for the first time in about 8 years and the mileage of the truck is a pleasant suprise. If I stay at 60mph on the highway the truck gets 22.5+....at 75 it gets 19.0+. I have not reset one of the trips on the odometer since it rolled off the lot and the overall mileage with mixes of towing, highway and city has been 17.6mpg. I could care less within reason because I need a diesel for how I use my truck but still a nice bonus.
 
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Dodge only uses DEF currently in trucks larger than 1 ton, chassis cab style trucks. The OP is asking about a 2500. I did not say they don't use a DPF.
 
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Do the deletes look in to EFI live (programer).

Auto trans will be fine if you keep the tune down, no more than 60hp.

What's not to love about a diesel? I had a 5.9 modded enough to get 523hp to the rear wheels on 42" Swampers. At 75mph I was getting 16.8 mpg.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Truckman11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: seaaggie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">my deleted 6.7 running a 120 horse tune will see 19-20 highway and 15-17 city, prior to that i was seeing a whopping 12 city and a max of 16 highway. that being said, i have to drive it like a granny to get 20 highway, driving go fast style i still see 16-17 average.
as to the question of how to get fuel mileage, you will have to get rid of the DPF at minimum due to the fact that it uses a 4th injection event on the exhaust stroke to (regen the filter)which just dumps tons of fuel down the pipe and raises your egt's to close to 1800*f. once you turn off the 4th injection event and take off the dpf it will cool down considerably and will quit dumping extra fuel and also raise your fuel mileage in turn. With reguards to the EGR, that is an optional delete, i still have mine, but it is deactivated. I have had no problems with it just sitting there cluttering up my engine bay, so i'm going to leave it till the rest of my warranty is up then it will come out just in case i have to bring it back to the stealership for some kind of warranty work.
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Go with H&S black maxx, Spartan has been trying to get the 6.7 so they forgot about us 6.4 guys. I have problems with a few spartan tunes like throwing egr codes and the tranny shifts so hard on larger tunes that it's not fun to drive. I know they bump up line pressure but it's a little ridiculous.

What tuner and delete did you go with. I've got and 09 6.4 and I'm over regens. I'm thinking about getting the Spartan tuner </div></div>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 168BTHPM</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> They do run cleaner though.....you dont see that belch of unburned fuel or what ever it is, coming out the tailpipe. </div></div>

Where's the fun in that, especially if you are passing a pack of bicyclists that won't move over and let you pass on back country roads? </div></div>

I look for Prius drivers with there windows down to smoke them out with my Banks improved 7.3L, bite me hippie.
 
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Update on this,

4000 miles on it now and road tripped this weekend to OK, Mileage isnt lookin pretty...
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I can see some deletes goin down after this next Afghan contract.

My wife took it and had some new tires put on some rims I had laying in the garage. Looks good but thats been a FIASCO. Had to go get the TPMS reset and Speedometer reprogrammed to match. Also while getting off the roads at the farm I noticed I had a little tire rub. Already picked up a 2" leveling kit for this truck but thats turned into another FIASCO.

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Well, I guess I'm one of SH's resident diesel nuts. Everyone has already given most of the right answers, I'm just getting in on this to say hi.

You won't get good mileage with a 6.7, no point in sugar coating it.

You'll get into the 20's with a DPF delete, and programmer, look up EFI live. Be wary though, if you run these deletes it will void your warranty. I'm not a big 6.7 guy, I stick with the 12'ers.

Have fun with your new Cummins.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if you used the same sensors that were on the truck than you would not have had to relearn the sensors. The light would have gone off by itself. </div></div>

Same sensors but pressure issues in the tires.. IE front even on light load was set at 65 but until they warmed up over or at 65 the light would come on. I had em set low enough that its gonna have to be an issue for the light to come on instead of a cold/hot weather issue. I thought about having this done to my 2011 charger but the problem is the tires have so little meat that this would prolly kill the wheels if pressure was to low and bump to big.
 
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X3 on the Smarty. If you decide to go with any sort of performance enhancer, get gauges. Exhaust temp gauge is the one most important, but usually have a boost and trans temp gauge also for monitoring the vitals in your setup. Never hold over 1300* exhaust temp for more than a few seconds. You will start melting the aluminum pistons. It can even be done on a stock truck that pulls heavy.

www.cumminsforum.com is a great place when wanting info on your new truck. Lots of people there who have been there and done that with your same truck.

Careful with additional power, it is addicting.
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Good luck getting the truck to 1300 degrees. Mine won't get 1300 no matter what I do with the stock turbo and the smarty.

Good luck getting over 20 mpg, too. Mine will do 18-19, maybe 20 at 55 mph, and it is a 5.9.

But these trucks will pull a house down.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good luck getting the truck to 1300 degrees. Mine won't get 1300 no matter what I do with the stock turbo and the smarty.

Good luck getting over 20 mpg, too. Mine will do 18-19, maybe 20 at 55 mph, and it is a 5.9.

But these trucks will pull a house down.</div></div>

So you're saying you can't hit 1300 with a 5.9? Lol, I've been in 5.9's that have hit almost 1700 degrees empty and it's nothing to hit 1300 pulling with the 6.7 pulling a load. If you can't hit 1300, I would like to know where you have the egt sensor located?
 
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programmer makes bigger differences in diesel than in gas engines so get one

tires --- obviously if you get the big knobby ones your mpg is gonna go down.

use cruise control whenever possible and let the transmission do your stopping when possible.

i get about 20mpg with my 2004 duramax on the interstate driving 73mph with a 7 in lift and big all-terrain tires; i have a programmer that is set to max performance
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THEBLACKBISHOP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I look for Prius drivers with there windows down to smoke them out with my Banks improved 7.3L, bite me hippie.</div></div>

LMFAO
 
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My 2007 LBZ Duramax = 22mpg/70mph & 20mpg/75mph Highway or 16/17 city, tuned with EFILive...

FYI, stock 2011 Duramax gets 20 mpg highway. Trade that Dodge in before you run the miles up and the value drops.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good luck getting the truck to 1300 degrees. Mine won't get 1300 no matter what I do with the stock turbo and the smarty.

Good luck getting over 20 mpg, too. Mine will do 18-19, maybe 20 at 55 mph, and it is a 5.9.

But these trucks will pull a house down. </div></div>

You must have your pyro installed post turbo in the down pipe, because 1300 with a SMARTY Senior, never run a JR, is very easily attainable.

Duramax guys telling a Dodge man to sell his truck? His will still be pulling when you are on your third one. Inline 6 design is proven, hence why all the Large Truck companies run inline engines. More main bearing support and also pistons do not wear into the block like the slant of the V8 style.

Plus, when you straight pipe that cummins, you will grin from ear to ear every time you start it up.
 
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I have an '06 2500 QC with the 5.9 cummins, 4wd. I bought it new and really don't put many miles on it, I just turned 60k a couple weeks ago. Over the summer I decided to put some new tires on it and there really aren't a whole lot of options out there for "E" rated tires in the 17" rim size that my truck has. There are plenty of 265/70/17's, but I wanted something a little bit bigger and found that Nitto makes an all terrain tire, TerraGrappler in 305/70/17 thats E rated. At first I didn't notice much difference in mpg's, but now that I have 8-10k on the tires I've noticed that where I used to get around 520 miles to the tank I'm now getting in the 440 miles to the tank range with mixed driving. The tires look much better, imo. But there is a penelty paid for it. I'm also not that impressed with how much they wear. I got over 50k out of my michelins that came on the truck, I think I'll be lucky to get 30k out of these nittos. When you drop $1400 on a set of 5 tires, you wan't them to last more than 30k and I'm easy on my truck, baby it really compared to a lot of diesel guys. One thing that I haven't done yet is have the speedo re-calibrated, which should show about a 7% difference in my milage, but even factoring in the 7% difference I'm not getting close to where I used to get. Probably in the -2mpg range by comparison. I'm considering a Smarty, intake and exhaust to try and increase my milage. Anyone have a recommendation as far as those go? Also, thinking about switching everything over to Amsoil in the tranny, axles and engine....Any advice on doing that, is it worth it?
 
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Nice truck! I am thinking about purchasing a newer Dodge.. I am having a lot of trouble with my current Powerstroke.. I love the look of the new Dodge, and test drove both the new Ford and the New Dodge right before Christmas. The Dodge has much nicer interior, and I can get it with a 6spd manual.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Happy Gilmore</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Duramax guys telling a Dodge man to sell his truck? His will still be pulling when you are on your third one. Inline 6 design is proven, hence why all the Large Truck companies run inline engines. More main bearing support and also pistons do not wear into the block like the slant of the V8 style.</div></div>

Unfortunately for the 6.7 guys, Cummins has gutted the HD components from the 6.7 to keep costs down. That's why 6.7 motors are bending rods. They now use light-duty powdered metal rods made in Brazil...
 
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I'll throw in my two toys here.

First one is a "stock motor" 2011 F250 with the new Scorpion engine. It didn't see 20mpg BEFORE the lift/tires and it sure as hell don't now. If your not hand calculating your mileage, your just lying to yourself and sounding like a fool to everyone you talk to. The lift is a Carli Performance 2.5 with Bilstien resevoir shocks. 20" XD's and 35" Toyo MT's. I've had 4 Powerstrokes and this is the best one I've had performance wise in the "stock" conditon. Truck averages 12.5mpg in town and maybe 16mpg highway if it's not a headwind. Hand calculated real numbers.
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This is the 2008 F250 with the 6.4ltr. Ive done a DPF/Cat delete, installed a Spartan Tuner with the extra HP "paid" off-road tune. It has a 4" FlowPro stainless exhaust from the downpipe back. S&B CAI. It has a 6" lift, 20" XD's and 37" Toyo MT's. This truck is fast for 9000+ pound truck.....that's all I'm going to say. I've smoked alot of cars that a 4x4 3/4 ton truck shouldn't be able to beat. Took this truck on 2000 mile trip to CO on a elk hunt. We were pulling a 10ft utility trailer and a Polaris Ranger. It averaged 10.5mpg up there and back.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Happy Gilmore</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good luck getting the truck to 1300 degrees. Mine won't get 1300 no matter what I do with the stock turbo and the smarty.

Good luck getting over 20 mpg, too. Mine will do 18-19, maybe 20 at 55 mph, and it is a 5.9.

But these trucks will pull a house down. </div></div>

You must have your pyro installed post turbo in the down pipe, because 1300 with a SMARTY Senior, never run a JR, is very easily attainable.

Duramax guys telling a Dodge man to sell his truck? His will still be pulling when you are on your third one. Inline 6 design is proven, hence why all the Large Truck companies run inline engines. More main bearing support and also pistons do not wear into the block like the slant of the V8 style.

Plus, when you straight pipe that cummins, you will grin from ear to ear every time you start it up. </div></div>

Actually some of us prefer to run both an EGT probe in the manifold and on the downpipe as well...

I was a Duramax guy, and they are great trucks. They make serious power for a lot less money than the 3rd and 4th Generation Cummins engines do. Also a straight piped Cummins unless some what modified is just a noise machine... Inline engines aren't that much more efficient than V style engines. If they were then you would see more of them...

I had a very impressive LLY Duramax that ran I sled pulled and drag raced on a regular basis. I also averaged 24mpg's on the expressway in my DD tune. I would love to see that out of anything other than a 12v Cummins...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EasyJ1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had a very impressive LLY Duramax that ran I sled pulled and drag raced on a regular basis. I also averaged 24mpg's on the expressway in my DD tune. I would love to see that out of anything other than a 12v Cummins... </div></div>

EasyJ1, it's nice to hear a voice of reason...

Trevor300wsm, Hand calculated mileage is the only way I check mpg...
 
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My second diesel truck that i owned. I owned this while in high school, and for a short time in college.

1999 F-350 Super Duty
10" Superlift Springs, Fabtech Shock brackets.
4" Stainless turbo back exhaust
Paul's High Performance boost lines, Ram Air Intake, accelerator pedal, waste gate, and 100hp Super Chip.
ATS turbo housing with hypertech compressor wheel.
Hyper tech stage 2 injectors.
ARP head studs
FASS 180 lift pump
4.56 gears with Detroit Locker in back and Detroit True-Trac upfront.
6spd Manual with South Bend Clutch
Fabtech Ladder Bars
Fabtech Stinger with PIAA lights
Billet grill
40x13.50x17 Goodyear MT/R on 17" Eagle Alloy Wheels

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My third diesel truck. 04.5 LLY Duramax. This truck had a lot of work done to it.

Kennedy twin lift pumps
ATS Dual feed fuel lines
SoCal Diesel 1" tank pick up tube with SoCal pump
PPE Double fueler stacked CP3's
10% over injectors
ATS Aurora 5000
Custom CAI
EFI Live tune tuned by Crank it up Diesel
Custom machined plug to eliminate the pressure relief valce in the fuel rail. They now sell this, wish I would have gotten a patent and marketed the item..
Homemade Boost fooler
Snow Performance Water Meth kit
Zex nitrous kit
ATS Extreme tranny until it broke. Then I had a Mike L. Frankenstein Allison.
Built t-case
Cal tracs bars
tie rods sleeves, ends and centerlinks
class 5 hitch welded and narrows and boxed rear frame for sled pulling.
Detroit locker in rear with Detroit true trac upfront.
ISS Pro gauges including a EGT probe in the header and one in the down pipe.
PFE custom made headers
4" downpipe to 5" straight exhaust and later to a 6" stack..
285/75/16 Cooper ST's or 265/70/16 Toyo Proxies for the track..

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My 4th diesel truck I bought off of my father. 2003 F-350 Super Duty. This truck had the 6.0 Powerstoke..

ARP head studs, fire ringed and ported heads by Halas Performance.
Full billet Suncoast built by Halas Performance.
4" downpipe to 4" duals stright pipe exhaust.
Ram Air hood fitted to Air Raid CAI
SCT Xcal 3 tuned by Innovative Diesel
4.10 gears Detroit Locker out back.
4.5" custom spring lift. 35x13.50/18 Toyo Open Country AT's on 18x10 Weld Racing Dagger wheels
Billet grill.
Autometer gauges.

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My fifth diesel truck is a 2008 F-250. It has the 6.4L it's stock other than a DPF deleted 4" MBRP straight exhaust, EGR delete, SCT on economy, and AFE CAI..

It's a problem child it has been returned to stock. I am trying to go through the lemon law process right now. Hoping to get my 6th diesel truck here soon..

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Oh and I didn't mention that my first truck was a 1995 F-250 2wd diesel with a 5spd manual. I got it with 196,000 and put another 100k before the wiring harness to the injector pump burnt up.
 
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2004 duramax that gets 20ish on the highway since I bought it. It has a bully mileage tune @ 50hp or so. My bil 2007 banks tuner, exhaust and display/adjuster gets 10.5-11.5 set on 6 pulling a 24x8 haulmark @ 4 ton to the mountains of NM. I also look for the hippies to smoke on I-70 on the way out.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: trevor300wsm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll throw in my two toys here.

First one is a "stock motor" 2011 F250 with the new Scorpion engine. It didn't see 20mpg BEFORE the lift/tires and it sure as hell don't now. If your not hand calculating your mileage, your just lying to yourself and sounding like a fool to everyone you talk to. The lift is a Carli Performance 2.5 with Bilstien resevoir shocks. 20" XD's and 35" Toyo MT's. I've had 4 Powerstrokes and this is the best one I've had performance wise in the "stock" conditon. Truck averages 12.5mpg in town and maybe 16mpg highway if it's not a headwind. Hand calculated real numbers.


This is the 2008 F250 with the 6.4ltr. Ive done a DPF/Cat delete, installed a Spartan Tuner with the extra HP "paid" off-road tune. It has a 4" FlowPro stainless exhaust from the downpipe back. S&B CAI. It has a 6" lift, 20" XD's and 37" Toyo MT's. This truck is fast for 9000+ pound truck.....that's all I'm going to say. I've smoked alot of cars that a 4x4 3/4 ton truck shouldn't be able to beat. Took this truck on 2000 mile trip to CO on a elk hunt. We were pulling a 10ft utility trailer and a Polaris Ranger. It averaged 10.5mpg up there and back.

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It's funny how many people tell me they get 22+ mpg according to their instant read out. I have tried to tell these guys to hand calculate there mileage and they say they don't need to. I have a 2010 f250 with a spartan and dpf that running 65 can get right at 19 mpg, it only gets 12 in town regardless of how you drive.
 
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best way to see what you get on the highway is get on..get to the speed...delete the average miles/gallon and then let the calculations work themselves out on the average...best to be on a level road so u dont get changes in rpm....usually takes a few minutes to get an accurate average.

Tada..then you have your best possible miles/gallon number. Course that really doesnt apply anywhere other than on a level highway on cruise control but take it with a grain of salt
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Maelek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">best way to see what you get on the highway is get on..get to the speed...delete the average miles/gallon and then let the calculations work themselves out on the average...best to be on a level road so u dont get changes in rpm....usually takes a few minutes to get an accurate average.

Tada..then you have your best possible miles/gallon number. Course that really doesnt apply anywhere other than on a level highway on cruise control but take it with a grain of salt </div></div>

It's too bad that the instant readout isn't very accurate, hence the reason everyone says hand calculate. If I go by my truck readout then I am getting 24 mpg on the highway, too bad it hand calculates out to just a little over 18 mpg. THe readout has never been close on any vehicles I have owned or driven, always 2-3 mpg off.
 
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i have an 06 dodge 2500 w/ G56 6 speed manual hand calculated average about 19 mpg unloaded on summer fuel mix I get about 18 on winter fuel. Also, about every 6 weeks i dump a bottle of injector cleaner in it and fill her up, seems to help a bunch.
 
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I hand calculate using the same pump when I can. Obviously when I went to OK I couldn't use the same. The instant thing is nice as the newer ones have some niftyness that helps.

Anyway spent damn near all day stuffing a day star 2" level kit and bilstien 5100 shocks under it only to make it rub in a different spot. Gonna see if I can heat/bend the splash guard to clear the tire.
 
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im not saying to use the instant. I am saying to use the average. But you have to clear it once you get on the highway at the speed you want to check it at

you cannot hand calculate it unless you are ok with taking into account the stops and starts and accelerations to get from the gas station onto the interstate then off the interstate to the next gas station for the fillup.

All of this is really just pissing in the wind since no one hops into their vehicle and immediately on the interstate with no stops, starts, accels, decels, up hills, down hills, etc.

thats why i said you have to take it with a grain of salt when you figure out the best possible miles/gallon because you dont get that as a rule.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Maelek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">im not saying to use the instant. I am saying to use the average. But you have to clear it once you get on the highway at the speed you want to check it at

you cannot hand calculate it unless you are ok with taking into account the stops and starts and accelerations to get from the gas station onto the interstate then off the interstate to the next gas station for the fillup.

All of this is really just pissing in the wind since no one hops into their vehicle and immediately on the interstate with no stops, starts, accels, decels, up hills, down hills, etc.

thats why i said you have to take it with a grain of salt when you figure out the best possible miles/gallon because you dont get that as a rule.</div></div>

If you are trying to figure out what your mpg's are, you have to figure it all in.

ALL of the mpg displays are bullshit, nowhere close to right in most cases and they seem to be even further off when it comes to diesels. When I fill up my tank and the pump stops I can fit another 3-4 gallons in it because Dodge doesn't know how to properly vent a tank. I spend 10 minutes after the pump automatically shuts off drizzling fuel into my tank and watching the foam rise and fall in the filler neck of my tank until the foam stops and I have diesel sitting all the way up to the top of the filler neck. I then have to rock my truck back and forth to get the fuel in the filler neck to settle just enough that I can put the cap on without making it overflow down the side of my truck.........So I KNOW how much fuel is in my tank when I leave the gas station. I was sitting at just over 1/4 tank when I left work today and decided to swing by and fill up on my way home. At every fill up I zero out my trip odo and my mpg calculator in the overhead before I leave the gas station. On this tank my overhead showed that I averaged 18.4 mpg since last fill up, hand calculating it reveals another story....393.7 miles / 26.88 gallons = 14.65mpg, which means my overhead is off by over 25%. I'd just as accurately have a monkey throw a dart at a number as put stock in the overhead calculations.

I keep record of every drop of diesel and every mile at fill up, every oil change, fuel and air filter change, etc. in a log book like a pilot would do. I hand calculate at each fill up the same way. I'd have to look it up what the best mpg's I've gotten on a tank, but two come to mind. One was driving from memphis to northern indiana with a stiff tailwind and I was around 22-23mpgs. The other was driving from memphis towards pittsburgh and making it just west of wheeling, wv without running out of fuel, just shy of 700 miles and my tank holds 34 gallons per the manual. The pittsburgh trip was a few months after I bought my truck which was before ULSD was in the pumps, the old LSD was much better stuff by my calculations.
 
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I have a 05 with manual tyranny and run 285/75 BFG ATs. I don't know how long its been since i reset the trip od, but it hovers around 20.5mpg average. It does get 21-22 at 65mph, 70 about 18!. I have Edge/juice programmer and im happy with it. It gets a new clutch next week. Stock clutch started slipping on setting 3 so i figure its time. Purchased new and its got about 120,000 miles on it.

Some friends have new diesels, the 6.7's and the only guy i know that gets good milage has a new ford.

My dodge gets better MPG than my 07 FJ or my wife's Honda pilot..not sure that a guy can ask for more than that.
 
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Several vehicles models I have worked on have needed PCM updates for incorrect instant and average fuel mileage consumption readouts. The only way to be accurate is distance traveled and actual gallons pumped at the station. YMMV << how appropriate
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Re: Diesel truck guys.....

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: heatseekins</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a 05 with manual tyranny and run 285/75 BFG ATs. I don't know how long its been since i reset the trip od, but it hovers around 20.5mpg average. It does get 21-22 at 65mph, 70 about 18!. I have Edge/juice programmer and im happy with it. It gets a new clutch next week. Stock clutch started slipping on setting 3 so i figure its time. Purchased new and its got about 120,000 miles on it.

Some friends have new diesels, the 6.7's and the only guy i know that gets good milage has a new ford.

My dodge gets better MPG than my 07 FJ or my wife's Honda pilot..not sure that a guy can ask for more than that. </div></div>

I know a few people that claim 20+ mpg with the new Ford diesel, I would like to see how they do tuned.
 
Re: Diesel truck guys.....

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: heatseekins</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a 05 with manual tyranny and run 285/75 BFG ATs. I don't know how long its been since i reset the trip od, but it hovers around 20.5mpg average. It does get 21-22 at 65mph, 70 about 18!. I have Edge/juice programmer and im happy with it. It gets a new clutch next week. Stock clutch started slipping on setting 3 so i figure its time. Purchased new and its got about 120,000 miles on it.

Some friends have new diesels, the 6.7's and the only guy i know that gets good milage has a new ford.

My dodge gets better MPG than my 07 FJ or my wife's Honda pilot..not sure that a guy can ask for more than that. </div></div>

Do yourself a huge favor and get rid of that Edge Juice before it damages your truck. Edge Products are junk IMHO.. Ask me how I know? I think I still have the pictures from snapped connecting rods from the 6.0L I have lifted the head stud, grenaded transmissions, etc...

Get a Smarty and prepare yourself for a real improvement.
 
Re: Diesel truck guys.....

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redirt78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">05 GMC Diesel 2500 with PPE chip on economy setting. Only get 18 hwy and 16 city. Farm/ranch is aboout 14 </div></div>

With that LLY you can get some great mileage if you want. I would get 25mpg on the expressway in mine. Granted modifications were necessary, but for the ultimate savings in fuel, it is worth it. In my case, the 200+ daily round trip miles to work was justification.

Block off the EGR, Dump the cat, and muffler. Get an AFE CAI.. Air up your tires to near maximum PSI indicated on the sidewall, and drive gingerly and it's possible.
 
Re: Diesel truck guys.....

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EasyJ1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redirt78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">05 GMC Diesel 2500 with PPE chip on economy setting. Only get 18 hwy and 16 city. Farm/ranch is aboout 14 </div></div>

With that LLY you can get some great mileage if you want. I would get 25mpg on the expressway in mine. Granted modifications were necessary, but for the ultimate savings in fuel, it is worth it. In my case, the 200+ daily round trip miles to work was justification.

Block off the EGR, Dump the cat, and muffler. Get an AFE CAI.. Air up your tires to near maximum PSI indicated on the sidewall, and drive gingerly and it's possible.

</div></div>Thanks man, saving that info now. Sounds good
 
Re: Diesel truck guys.....

I must admit I don't know too much about this, however, my friend has a Dodge 2500 with a 6.7 Cummins and it does run well.
On occasion I get stuck with driving it around the farms and find it to have too much steam,ie power, to my liking.
He uses a Power Chip for performance and/or towing.
If I get stuck with it for towing, he brings over a little box and plugs it in to a towing mode then sends me on my way.
Whats with that?
When I get back after towing a load of calves or horses. Here he comes again and plugs that box in again and pushes performance.
The truck runs too well for me as to power and seems to get good mileage either loaded or empty as long as he brings that box out and adjusts it.
Have any of you any knowledge as to what is going on with that?
It damn sure has lots of power.
Regards, FM