Discussion: Your ideal sniper weapon system

[nomore606]

This is purely for discussion

what would your ideal sniper rifle be if you could create one from scratch? What action would you use? What finish, what optic, what stock, what caliber? I am just asking to see what innovative ideas people have.

Remember this is purely for discussion not for advise or name brand bashing. I know there is probably another topic just like this but since I cant find one currently I would consider it dated due to new technology and products coming out every day.

 

[LoneWolfUSMC]

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This thread has Epic Potential.

 

[YN*Dotte]

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I like it simple, M40A1ish rifle with a SN3, .260 with Badger M4. Maybe not from the ground up but definantly how I like it, I am a bit of a minimalist of sorts.

 

[Pat M]

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laser guides Hellfire missile

 

[Vin]

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I have mine already. My AI AE MKII,my TRG 22 is a very close second. Both are built from the ground up as a purpose built weapon. I also have a custom rifle that is no more accurate and less reliable than both the AI and TRG.That would be my choice but depends on what its used for and opinions vary of course.

 

[Pusher591]

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I would like to see a 24" 300WM, Surgeon 591, Fluted Barrel,Some kind of Switch barrel accessability(to keep ready to go barrels on hand since 300WM is hot) S&B Optics.

Be nice since it would be some what lite weight compared to a .338 and with the new 225 .30 cal round from Hornady I think it would have potential to be very EFFECTIVE (key word) at 1500 yards.

I know I've seen people say they hit targets with a .308 at 1200 and 1300 yards but probably not consistantly and probably have minimal effect on enemy combatants in military settings.

 

[SmokeRolls]

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If the target was one of our enemys that is hell bent on killing us.
1st pick: the newest Abrams tank and my finger on the trigger and someone filming the explosion.
2nd pick: the newest attack helicopter with a bucketload of weaponry and with my finger in the trigger and someone filming the explosion.
3rd pick: an old WWII battleship like the Wisconsin or the Missouri with explosive projectiles that weighed about as much as a volkswagon, have a film crew on that one as it wipped out a few city blocks.
4th pick: a Surgeon action in 338LM ,Krieger barreled,McMillan stocked masterpiece that has been handloved by Terry Cross/KMW and a nice S&B with a clear shot of Bin Laden or Abudina-bag-ass and a film crew on each of them as the shot made instant jello for the crowd.
And thats just what came to mind quickly.

....SmokeRolls

 

[nomore606]

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I guess I should be more specific, and yes big guns (helicopters, artillery, and gun ships are fun) But What I am asking is if the military asked you (hypothetically) to build a bolt action, do it all, sniper rifle what would you build?

 

[nomore606]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YN*Dotte</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like it simple, M40A1ish rifle with a SN3, .260 with Badger M4. Maybe not from the ground up but definantly how I like it, I am a bit of a minimalist of sorts. </div></div>

I like your idea as well, the simpler the design the better. But personally I prefer the FN/winchester action over the rem 700 for a sws but that's my opinion.

 

[Lindy]

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A bolt-action gun cannot do it all - it cannot deliver a high rate of fire. In any case, my experience has been that a system of any kind which can "do anything" does nothing well. There are many precision weapons in use by our military, and each has a niche.

 

[Chiller]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: k9222</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would like to see a 24" 300WM, Surgeon 591, Fluted Barrel,Some kind of Switch barrel accessability(to keep ready to go barrels on hand since 300WM is hot) S&B Optics.

Be nice since it would be some what lite weight compared to a .338 and with the new 225 .30 cal round from Hornady I think it would have potential to be very EFFECTIVE (key word) at 1500 yards.

I know I've seen people say they hit targets with a .308 at 1200 and 1300 yards but probably not consistantly and probably have minimal effect on enemy combatants in military settings. </div></div>

that would be their 1086 Action

the 591 is a SA or a WSM action

 

[nomore606]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A bolt-action gun cannot do it all - it cannot deliver a high rate of fire. In any case, my experience has been that a system of any kind which can "do anything" does nothing well. There are many precision weapons in use by our military, and each has a niche.
</div></div>

Oh I fully understand as I was a sniper for 3 years and shot everything from the barrett, m24, m110, and m14. It is almost impossible to creat a "do it all" anything but I asked the question just to see what people would come up with.

 

[YN*Dotte]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nomore606</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess I should be more specific, and yes big guns (helicopters, artillery, and gun ships are fun) But What I am asking is if the military asked you (hypothetically) to build a bolt action, do it all, sniper rifle what would you build? </div></div>

Well this question will have more than one answer. Most combat nowadays varies from wide as open deserts plains, to mountain ranges, to cities, where there are only 300 yard stretches of street and multiple targets running about faster than you can count them. So in some instances a long ass silenced MK 13 would be ideal in the mountains, as compared to a M110 in the smack middle of Fullujah. Not to mention, the militaries have to design rifles that will accommodate a wide variaty of different shooters. The M40A3's seem to fill the role nicely, they just weigh a damned ton.

 

[YN*Dotte]

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Damn alot of stuff happened while I was typing that lol long story short, there is no "one size fits all" on todays battlefield IMO,...

 

[nomore606]

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youre right my primary weapon that I did the most damage in the closed confines of Iraq was an M4 with an ACOG rather than my m24. But the m24 was great for shots across the fields at 500+.

 

[nomore606]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: k9222</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would like to see a 24" 300WM, Surgeon 591, Fluted Barrel,Some kind of Switch barrel accessability(to keep ready to go barrels on hand since 300WM is hot) S&B Optics.

Be nice since it would be some what lite weight compared to a .338 and with the new 225 .30 cal round from Hornady I think it would have potential to be very EFFECTIVE (key word) at 1500 yards.

I know I've seen people say they hit targets with a .308 at 1200 and 1300 yards but probably not consistantly and probably have minimal effect on enemy combatants in military settings. </div></div>

What about a good in between caliber? Like a 30-06? It can reach out further than the 308 but has better barrel life than the 300 WM.

 

[marduk185]

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my team and i have decided on sks sniper rifle platform for its versatility and usefulness either prone, offhand or from segway mounted.
ours wear bsa ffp mil/mil mildots with electric blue reticles and coriolis compensators and cerakoted a grey and green flektard pattern.
these have time and again proven effective against skinheads,hoodlums and hooligans under even the most poorly lit and extremely long shots the urban indoor marketplace can dish out.

 

[Pat M]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: marduk185</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> my team and i have decided on sks sniper rifle platform for its versatility and usefulness either prone, offhand or from segway mounted.
ours wear bsa ffp mil/mil mildots with electric blue reticles and coriolis compensators and cerakoted a grey and green flektard pattern.
these have time and again proven effective against skinheads,hoodlums and hooligans under even the most poorly lit and extremely long shots the urban indoor marketplace can dish out. </div></div>

that set up screams CounterSniper, Chote folder, forend grip & quad rail with laser/flashlight

 

[nomore606]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: marduk185</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> my team and i have decided on sks sniper rifle platform for its versatility and usefulness either prone, offhand or from segway mounted.
ours wear bsa ffp mil/mil mildots with electric blue reticles and coriolis compensators and cerakoted a grey and green flektard pattern.
these have time and again proven effective against skinheads,hoodlums and hooligans under even the most poorly lit and extremely long shots the urban indoor marketplace can dish out. </div></div>

nice, no need to spend 1000's of dollars on one precision rifle just spend that money on a few dozen of these and have multiple shooters. Accuracy by volume...

 

[Pat M]

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I want to start a new tv show called "Pimp that gun"

 

[5RWill]

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IDK about my Ideal, but my favorite is Terry Cross's sentinel S.W.S. I would personally want it chambered in 6.5x47L for a little extended range. But considering military standards i would take a .308.

 

[YN*Dotte]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pat M</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I want to start a new tv show called "Pimp that gun" </div></div>

My TiVo wouldn't know what hit it lol

 

[steve123]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nomore606</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is purely for discussion

what would your ideal sniper rifle be if you could create one from scratch? What action would you use? What finish, what optic, what stock, what caliber? I am just asking to see what innovative ideas people have.

Remember this is purely for discussion not for advise or name brand bashing. I know there is probably another topic just like this but since I cant find one currently I would consider it dated due to new technology and products coming out every day. </div></div>

How about a DTA HTI in 375CT.One of these days a 1.25BC bullet is gonna come out and actually work correctly,"hopefully"!

 

[TheShooter]

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I saw a show 10 best sniper rifles. I would start there. Looked like they knew their stuff.

Ducking for incoming...

 

[gstaylorg]

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Not sure what how the overall specs would end up, but if it was going to be on "Pimp That Gun", with your host, Pat M, it would definitely have a set of these for use as a rear bag:

 

[jasonk]

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My AIAW on a diet so it can lose about 3 pounds, then 243 or 260 for bucking the wind.

Hensoldt 4-16 on top of course.....dice hanging off the left side.

 

[cuffm4615]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: marduk185</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> my team and i have decided on sks sniper rifle platform for its versatility and usefulness either prone, offhand or from segway mounted.
ours wear bsa ffp mil/mil mildots with electric blue reticles and coriolis compensators and cerakoted a grey and green flektard pattern.
these have time and again proven effective against skinheads,hoodlums and hooligans under even the most poorly lit and extremely long shots the urban indoor marketplace can dish out.</div></div>

Cant stop LMAO !!!!

 

[SmokeRolls]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This thread has Epic Potential.</div></div>
I'm starting to think he was right.
....SmokeRolls

 

[Cegorach]

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I think it would be difficult to beat the versatility and compactness of the DTA SRS.

 

[nomore606]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cegorach</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it would be difficult to beat the versatility and compactness of the DTA SRS. </div></div>

who has shot one? are they awkward to shoot?

 

[LoneWolfUSMC]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pat M</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I want to start a new tv show called "Pimp that gun" </div></div>

You mean you haven't seen this:

Pimp Mah Gun

 

[Shooter21]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pat M</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: marduk185</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> my team and i have decided on sks sniper rifle platform for its versatility and usefulness either prone, offhand or from segway mounted.
ours wear bsa ffp mil/mil mildots with electric blue reticles and coriolis compensators and cerakoted a grey and green flektard pattern.
these have time and again proven effective against skinheads,hoodlums and hooligans under even the most poorly lit and extremely long shots the urban indoor marketplace can dish out. </div></div>

that set up screams CounterSniper, Chote folder, forend grip & quad rail with laser/flashlight


</div></div>
Wow, I can't believe you just described my weapon!!!!!! just a different caliber... I run a homemade AR style gasser chambered in 375 CheyTac with a 18" tube for versatility. it is covered in tactical rail, with a tactical flashlight, a grip, a monopod, an Atlas V8, topped with a CounterSniper scope, with the folding buttstock from Choate custom built for theis rifle, two CQB lasers, and a red dot on top of the Counter Sniper in case I want to aim.

 

[rogers0311]

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Ill answer...I actually would have to say either an m40a3 or m40a5. Are there better precision bolt guns out there? Of course. And there are definitely better calibers as well. That being said, its the gun that Ive had the most time behind. Having the "best" weapons system doesnt mean shit unless you have alot of time behind it.

Our m40a5s worked out well for us in Afghanistan. They definitely took a beating (much more then most people will put their guns through) and kept on running for us.

If I had to choose another weapon system (assuming I would have as much time on the gun as I do on the 40), I would choose an AIAW based on everything Ive read.

 

[nomore606]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rogers0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ill answer...I actually would have to say either an m40a3 or m40a5. Are there better precision bolt guns out there? Of course. And there are definitely better calibers as well. That being said, its the gun that Ive had the most time behind. Having the "best" weapons system doesnt mean shit unless you have alot of time behind it.

Our m40a5s worked out well for us in Afghanistan. They definitely took a beating (much more then most people will put their guns through) and kept on running for us.

If I had to choose another weapon system (assuming I would have as much time on the gun as I do on the 40), I would choose an AIAW based on everything Ive read. </div></div>

I always thought the Marine Corps had better rifles than us.

 

[KYS]

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Super Soaker full of napalm with a Counter Sniper scope

 

[xray999]

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I'd have to go with the Remington MSR. Swap the bolt and barrel to which ever cal. you want 308/300/338.

 

[Lowe Left]

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Any rifle or caliber as long as Tom Berenger is operating it.

 

[layinclose2hell]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheSmokeRolls</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This thread has Epic Potential.</div></div>
I'm starting to think he was right.
....SmokeRolls </div></div>

+1

 

[nomore606]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rosie Palma</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any rifle or caliber as long as Tom Berenger is operating it. </div></div>

do you wear a guillie suit when you watching that movie? I do....

 

[Alderleet]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheSmokeRolls</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the target was one of our enemys that is hell bent on killing us.
1st pick: the newest Abrams tank and my finger on the trigger and someone filming the explosion.
2nd pick: the newest attack helicopter with a bucketload of weaponry and with my finger in the trigger and someone filming the explosion.
3rd pick: an old WWII battleship like the Wisconsin or the Missouri with explosive projectiles that weighed about as much as a volkswagon, have a film crew on that one as it wipped out a few city blocks.
4th pick: a Surgeon action in 338LM ,Krieger barreled,McMillan stocked masterpiece that has been handloved by Terry Cross/KMW and a nice S&B with a clear shot of Bin Laden or Abudina-bag-ass and a film crew on each of them as the shot made instant jello for the crowd.
And thats just what came to mind quickly.

....SmokeRolls </div></div>

Let me know when you do this. We are getting new video kits, and a new jib.

 

[shadysmitty]

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Close range .22 or .17 HMR. Long range 300 WM or a 50 cal.
It depends on the operation. I would hate to bring Tom Berenger
out of retirement so I think Bob Lee Swagger is the new generation of shoters.

 

[shadysmitty]

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Shooters I mean LOL! It's early.

 

[SmokeRolls]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alderleet</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheSmokeRolls</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the target was one of our enemys that is hell bent on killing us.
1st pick: the newest Abrams tank and my finger on the trigger and someone filming the explosion.
2nd pick: the newest attack helicopter with a bucketload of weaponry and with my finger in the trigger and someone filming the explosion.
3rd pick: an old WWII battleship like the Wisconsin or the Missouri with explosive projectiles that weighed about as much as a volkswagon, have a film crew on that one as it wipped out a few city blocks.
4th pick: a Surgeon action in 338LM ,Krieger barreled,McMillan stocked masterpiece that has been handloved by Terry Cross/KMW and a nice S&B with a clear shot of Bin Laden or Abudina-bag-ass and a film crew on each of them as the shot made instant jello for the crowd.
And thats just what came to mind quickly.

....SmokeRolls </div></div>

Let me know when you do this. We are getting new video kits, and a new jib.</div></div>
I'm waiting for the oportunity to host a new reality show called "Live, weapons testing on our enemys" or
"Watch as the Jello fly's".
....SmokeRolls

 

[Hawk45]

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I'd go with a 30/012ga (necked up 30/06) with the folding barrel.

 

[Lowe Left]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hawk45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd go with a 30/012ga (necked up 30/06) with the folding barrel.</div></div>

That made me laugh - good one. Folding barrel.

 

[hank440]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rosie Palma</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any rifle or caliber as long as Tom Berenger is operating it. </div></div>

I thought it was Mark Wahlberg

 

[VJJPunisher]

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a red jacket built internally supressed dual mounted to a four wheeler pair of water cooled hipoint pistols, with countersniper scopes and green beam lasers

 

[PRDRIVER]

Re: Discussion: Your ideal sniper weapon system

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nomore606</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cegorach</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it would be difficult to beat the versatility and compactness of the DTA SRS. </div></div>

who has shot one? are they awkward to shoot? </div></div>

I love the compactness of the rifle. The SRS rifles that I have shot were extremely accurate and cycling the bolt is not awkward like I thought it was going to be. After shooting a few boxes of shells though the SRS, I felt very comfortable with cycling the bolt and changing the mags.

The one thing that I noticed with the SRS action is that it takes a noticeably more effort to open and shut the bolt than most bolt guns I have shot.

The DTA SRS rifle would be my ideal sniper weapon system for most situations. The ability to change calibers so quickly is pretty awesome and the rifle is super compact. Throw on a S&B or PH 5-25 scope, Atlas Bipod, along with DTA's monopod option and you're set.

I would like to see the DTA come with a slimmer forend with moveable rails (something like the new AI AX). It would also be pretty sweet if the SRS had a way to easily swap forends, so you could take the standard SRS rifle and change it into a DTA Covert.

 

[Jhnmdahl]

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If I really needed a sniper rifle for work, I have to think a AI AW in .300WM would be tough to beat. I'd probably add a suppressor to the kit as well for recoil/noise management, but avoid most other gadgetry.

 

[VJJPunisher]

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red jacket is currently building me a custom 20mm Anzio with side folding barrel, free floated scope, custom mounting base for a big foot power wheels. They are working out the kinks in the design for the coils around the barrel and pump system to run the fecal matter cooling system, currently it is still warming up too much and smells like shit.