Asking if he is still there. I had heard several years back he had closed up shop, but that may be incorrect
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The pins are what provide the mount strength under a shear load. The recoil of the gun produces a shear style of load. Rifle goes backwards, scope kinda sits there until the recoil movement catches up with the scope via mount & rings. Think of it as pulling the table clothes out from under the dishes. When done fast, the dishes don’t move but pull the table cloths slowly and everything falls onto the floor. This is the opposed of that.
Once a scope is placed in the mount connecting the front and rear ring together, there is no more allowance for a single ring to be able to be twisted off. The tack welds only prevent twisting of one ring at a time when no scope is mounted in them. I’m sure they play a very minor part in preventing the rings from popping off.
I am willing to bet that the original Unertl mounts are more than just brazed on with silver solder. After all, the rings are bigger than a front sight bead or vented rib or iron sight base. John made the scopes marine proof and demonstrated this by driving a tent stake into the ground with one of his prototype scopes during the usmc trials.
That what I heard too and just assumed he was closed. The website is still up but I haven’t called or email to verify since I currently don’t have a need too (for a build).
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You're 100% correct! The 2 shitty welds on each side of the ring lowers is the only thing holding the mount together! (@msr_762 explains the lateral forces exerted on the steel pins above, but those dont hold the rings to the mount) It will fail eventually! When the shitty welds on the TMA mount does break, you can reweld it, but make sure everything is lined up perfectly.
Don't even bother with this though, I might do a run of repro Unertl mounts and they will have a one piece base/ring lower, so there won't be any way to break them. I'll keep you guys updated on any progress if I decide to have a batch made.
Thank you for this information! Myself and a few others were certain that it was magnets inside the mounts and simrad caps, but you're probably right about magnetized steel pieces instead of any actual magnets! So, from here on I'll drop the magnet part when I discuss them and I'll mention the steel pins instead. This explains why some guys on here have magnetized mounts and simrad caps, but others don't.
@msr_762, you've been a huge help with figuring out this ridiculousness and these shitty gun parts. Thank you very much for posting the photos of your TMA mounts and your analysis of the steel pins inside the mounts.
Tbe crazy thing about the pins is that they are needed at all. All the maker needs to do is extend the ring lowers into a larger hole in the base. The ring lowers are a larger diameter than the pins and probably distributes the recoil forces better than a thin piece of steel stuck in there.
I'll have to dig it out, but I have the rod that Dan Ross used to line up the rings on his version of the Unertl mounts. I think it came with rings and a base, but nothing is brazed or soldered together, so I can take the pieces apart and see how they fit. He did what Unertl did, I just hope I have those pieces somewhere so I can post photos.
As far as I remember, the ring lowers extend into the base and it's soldered or brazed together. It actually works extremely well, but sometimes they loosen up. When this happens the 2112's would put little tiny tac welds (2 per ring base) right where the rings and the base meet. These are seriously small welds, nothing like the large sloppy ones TMA puts on his shitty mounts.
I'll try to find this stuff tomorrow and I'll post photos when I do find the parts.
I would advise initiating a chargeback without tipping your proverbial hand. There are measures he can do to try to thwart this.
He’s a scammer. Treat him as such.
Also, usually there is a time-limit on how long you can initite a chargeback. One tactic would be to make you think he is working with you, stalling while that clock runs down. Initiate right way.
He’s a scammer. Treat him as such.
Also, usually there is a time-limit on how long you can initite a chargeback. One tactic would be to make you think he is working with you, stalling while that clock runs down. Initiate right way.
UPDATE!!!!!
The parts arrived. I couldn't believe it.
Randomly this morning the postie rocked up with my M40A1 Parts.
He came through
The parts arrived. I couldn't believe it.
Randomly this morning the postie rocked up with my M40A1 Parts.
He came through
It's great that you finally got the parts, but you shouldn't give TMA any praise. He finally decided to act like a normal person and send you some parts, but other people here still don't have parts he owes them, his parts are extremely low quality (break and rust), people don't have money he owes them, people are out extra money due having to fix his fuck-ups, an innumerable amount of time has been lost dealing with his issues, and he still has no problem with lies/scams/theft/etc and will continue to hurt this community if given the chance.
I'd also be hesitant even using those parts because of major quality issues. I've honestly never seen a manufacturer with this many quality issues. It's not high volume output, but it's high volume failures.
I'm glad that you finally got your parts, hopefully other people will eventually be made right too.
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This is my thread it isn’t going anywhere. I agree don’t praise the jackass for actually sending something he owed you. But glad you got your stuff.
Damn, I can't even keep track of who started threads anymore! I edited my post and took out incorrect info about that. Thank you for starting this one and keeping it going!
Yep, TMA is still scum. Making 1 single person whole doesn't make everyone else he fucked over whole. This is far from over.
On a note my rifle is coming home after having all the left over stuff that was incorrect from the TMA build that needed to be fixed.
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I’m pretty sure his first name is Chris. I can not completely remember. I deleted his contact information.
Mine is back and looks unbelievable now. The New Smith that fixed it really came through and hit a home run with it. It is now properly marked and all issues fixed. He even redid the shitty bedding that TMA did.
This is a good lesson for everyone.If the Gunsmith does not have a BUNCH of 100% Positive Reviews..Do Not Even Consider them...Period.
Hi, here is mine mount, for sure was magnet innside. Non ss rod. He did never reply to any emails from me. But, I did reweld , and remount on rifle, never looked back. Have shot approx 1300rnd now. Work like a champ.
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for what the hogsden is charging for those mounts and claiming is 100% authentic. That mount should not have broken in the first place. You had to reweld. And looking at the size of those welds im pretty sure its now a tank.
Im glad its working for you now. Also go to the m40-m40a6 pics thread and post some photos of your rifle!
Totally agree you should not have to reweld them. Bad thing is there is not my options out there except using a different style but correct mount. Hopefully we will get someone to start making them.
I agree there arn't really any options. I think if someone was to start making them I hope I could convence them to make a few left handed, for some of us that want a bastard version from hell.
That's why I've been pushing people to use the Redfield 700SA scope base with medium height Redfield underscrew rings. An original base/ring set can be put together for under $100 and I've given away dozens of original USMC sets to friends and forum members who are doing A1 builds. Everyone thinks about and covets the Unertl mount, but that mount is just a copy and update of the Redfield base/ring sets. The Reference sets are also 100% correct to use with the Redfield greenies, the Redfield matte black scopes, the Redfield Widefield scopes, the Weaver T-10 scopes and even the Unertl MST-100 scopes.
Yes, the Marines used the Redfield base/ring sets with the Unertl MST-100's for multiple years. That's literally all they had on hand for the original 25 Unertl prototype scopes that the Corps tested between 1980 and 1982. Unertl MST-100 scopes that areived after 1982 had Unertl mounts shipped with them, but the Redfield sets could still be used in a pinch if some of the Unertl mounts were damaged/lost/stolen/etc.
The best advice I can possibly give people is to just look for the correct Redfield 700SA scope base and a correct set of Redfield medium scope rings. I personally know quite a few people who are using this exact setup on their A1's. Some guys are even using original USMC welded 40X or 700SA mounts on their builds. Those original USMC welded Redfield sets are far more rare than the original USMC Unertl mounts, but they trade between collectors for a lot less than a legit Unertl mount. There's other options out there that cloners can use and over the past few years I've been trying to get collectors to think more about the transitional M40A1's that don't need a $4,500 Unertl mount.
I've gotten a few quotes for a run of replica Unertl mounts. I have one that's new in box and I can easily have it sent out to be duplicated. I know exactly how I'd want them made, but they could be expensive. There's a chance that in the future there might be very high quality 1 piece Unertl replica mounts available.
I have one of those mounts you gave me sitting on top of my safe just in case there is an issue with the TMA Unertl style base on the rifle.
You can judge me anyway you want. I’ve done tons of scope work for folks here, never a complaint. Sucks that 2man has fucked good people over. Honestly, he’s never had a great attitude, but he’s given me some solid parts in the past. I haven’t dealt with him in prob 6 years, so it sounds like shit has gone south since then. I feel bad for the folks that got scammed. Really sucks.
Years ago (1997-2004)I had some made when I operated Tactical Stocks & Supplies. But they were dual dovetail clipslotted versions. I don’t think I have any left handed in the vault but will look. A chap about 2 years back bought all the inventory that I had left - a decent amount. All 4 configurations (short RH and LH as well as the double goofy long action clipslotted bases RH and LH)
He’s not a good guy and never had been. He’s always been a POS. Guys saying they had good turn outs from “his” builds from back in 2014 time frame is because back then 2112’s at PWS we’re actually building the rifles. Of course that was before he burned them all.
He doesn’t actually build anything. He’s a middleman. He takes your money and sends your parts / builds with no FFL to someone else who has no FFL, that is not who he claims they are, won’t let you speak to them, zero comms, won’t tell you who it is, refuses to meet you FTF. Claims he using a 2112 at PWS which is a lie, because I know a couple active 2112’s and they confirmed my rifle was never there and no one at PWS will even look at that guy or anyone that does business with him. He almost got them all fired years ago and got the hobby lobby shut down for years because of his drama and putting them all on blast on forums.
When I finally do get it back it’s sitting in a poorly wrapped cardboard box on my doorstep, where it sat for 2 days until I got back from out of town. No heads up it shipped, no tracking, no signature. Then it won’t chamber a round, isn’t trued, bedding job is a sh** show, barrel isn’t centered in the channel, stamps are all shallow and all over the fucking place, pulled patched through the barrel and got nothing but black (assuming from the oxide) and metal shavings, there’s a rear scope base screw busted of in the receiver, action screw holes are filed with bedding compound to the point he had to thread the actions screw through the stock just to get to the receiver, charged me for ammo so he could test fire, which he said he did even though his smith short chambered it and it wouldn’t chamber a round, didn’t weld the box mag to the receiver, smeared the Tube Data book markings all over the book and then taped over it, and never sent me the Unertl spanner wrench I paid for…
If i had heard about his previous reputation I never would have sent him my stuff. Guy has left a wake of destruction with all the people he’s burnt over there years. Forunelty I was able to send it to a real 2112 and is getting that abortion TMA’s “guy” created fixed.
Buyer beware. He’s a lying snake and whoever is doing his builds is a hack and not who he claims they are.
That’s my experience with that guy and to be honest after all the damage he’s done and Money he’s stolen Over the years I’m surprised he’s still got the use of his legs
which is probably why he refuses to meet anyone FTF…
He doesn’t actually build anything. He’s a middleman. He takes your money and sends your parts / builds with no FFL to someone else who has no FFL, that is not who he claims they are, won’t let you speak to them, zero comms, won’t tell you who it is, refuses to meet you FTF. Claims he using a 2112 at PWS which is a lie, because I know a couple active 2112’s and they confirmed my rifle was never there and no one at PWS will even look at that guy or anyone that does business with him. He almost got them all fired years ago and got the hobby lobby shut down for years because of his drama and putting them all on blast on forums.
When I finally do get it back it’s sitting in a poorly wrapped cardboard box on my doorstep, where it sat for 2 days until I got back from out of town. No heads up it shipped, no tracking, no signature. Then it won’t chamber a round, isn’t trued, bedding job is a sh** show, barrel isn’t centered in the channel, stamps are all shallow and all over the fucking place, pulled patched through the barrel and got nothing but black (assuming from the oxide) and metal shavings, there’s a rear scope base screw busted of in the receiver, action screw holes are filed with bedding compound to the point he had to thread the actions screw through the stock just to get to the receiver, charged me for ammo so he could test fire, which he said he did even though his smith short chambered it and it wouldn’t chamber a round, didn’t weld the box mag to the receiver, smeared the Tube Data book markings all over the book and then taped over it, and never sent me the Unertl spanner wrench I paid for…
If i had heard about his previous reputation I never would have sent him my stuff. Guy has left a wake of destruction with all the people he’s burnt over there years. Forunelty I was able to send it to a real 2112 and is getting that abortion TMA’s “guy” created fixed.
Buyer beware. He’s a lying snake and whoever is doing his builds is a hack and not who he claims they are.
That’s my experience with that guy and to be honest after all the damage he’s done and Money he’s stolen Over the years I’m surprised he’s still got the use of his legs
which is probably why he refuses to meet anyone FTF…
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If I had seen his previous reputation I would have went elsewhere also.
Sorry to hear about your dealing with him. Hopefully like I’ve said before. I hope this thread saves someone from dealing with that asshole.
On the up side….
Top M40a1 was the one I sent to him and then sent to PWS to have fixed by an actual 2112.
Bottom M40a1 I just got back a couple days ago. This one went to GA. They did an amazing job on it.
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I was so close to having him "build" my M40A5 years ago...I'm so lucky I went with someone else!
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I think dual dovetail may have been superior to brazing or spot welding. That would be an awesome mount even if not 100% spec.
TMA’s License plate after any one of the dudes he’s done dirty catch up with him…
M40 scope rings - reproduction
Just about to finish this. Going off for finishing next week. I got a hold of a set and fully digitized it and made some. As exacting and correct as I could do. They do not require small tac-welds to hold them together. They will also withstand unlimited amounts of shooting 308win / 7.62...
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These look bullet proof - Refreshing to see someone making m40 gear and keeping the Clone game alive!M40 scope rings - reproduction
Just about to finish this. Going off for finishing next week. I got a hold of a set and fully digitized it and made some. As exacting and correct as I could do. They do not require small tac-welds to hold them together. They will also withstand unlimited amounts of shooting 308win / 7.62...
No subspecies of pigs (Sus scrofa) have ever made a "den". An enclosure for domesticated pigs is called a "sty" in English, and wild pigs build and sleep in a communal "nest" made of sticks and leaves. There is ignorance, fraud, or both right in the name.
Just sayin'...
Just sayin'...
No subspecies of pigs (Sus scrofa) have ever made a "den". An enclosure for domesticated pigs is called a "sty" in English, and wild pigs build and sleep in a communal "nest" made of sticks and leaves. There is ignorance, fraud, or both right in the name.
Just sayin'...
There's no ignorance in the term "hog's den," it's an actual USMC Scout Sniper term, not something taken from nature. The fraud part is well documented in this thread, but it has nothing to do with the term "hog's den."
Trying to keep it up top
Thanks for keeping us going man. People need to know what a piece of trash scam artist he is
No problem I wish we could get it made A sticky post.
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It was made one today.
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