Do you guys prefer MIL or MOA?

[Ronws]

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MILFs are technically MILTFs

some NATO thing apparently

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[Expert684]

So I have some scopes that are MOA and some that are Mil. So does that make me Bi-Optic? Oh shit!

 

[ColinW]

Well, considering I'm a severe TBI survivor.....My scrambled brain operates better in increments of 10.00 or 0.1, 0.2 over inches and half inches or quarter minutes etc. Moving a decimal left or right is "easier" for this dude.

If you need help with the math....Here's a good article on the topic at hand. There's a longer version also, if desired.

 

[ColinW]

Screw it. I'll post the in-depth version anyway! For the extra savvy math nerds in the group....Here ya go!

 

[TonyTheTiger]

Math? Why?

 

[Makinchips208]

I shoot MILs son

When you say that i hear “Milths”

 

[Alphatreedog]

Is this still available ?

 

[akmike47]

Is this still available ?

You can always get a ding-ding to the tonsils

 

[45-90]

I shoot both, but if you use a spotter, you should use the same system.

Mils is easier for me, with LR wind calls ...
I've used a mil reticle with moa turrents, alot back in the day...so ya learn to convert.

Mil Dot Master? Mil scope reticle and Moa turrents.
Laser range finders were much better way to get range.

And it's nice to have the same measurement system on the turrent and reticle.

But wind was always called in mils.

 

[carbonbased]

I hear it ALL the time at local ranges where one guy is helping his buddy zero his scope. "You're 3 inches high and 6 inches left."

Do we have to measure our dongs in MILs?

 

[akmike47]

Do we have to measure our dongs in MILs?

Brother, you can barely use millimeters to measure yours

 

[The D]

Do we have to measure our dongs in MILs?

Reticles aren’t measured in .001 mils

 

[akmike47]

Reticles aren’t measured in .001 mils

But his dick is…

 

[MadDuner]

Savages…

 

[carbonbased]

I’ll show you guys < sniff >

< breaking out my dong measuring scope >

It’s somewhere in that slide, I just know it

 

[JerkyFreak]

For a country that insist on using inches, feet, yards and miles it is quite perplexing that you insist in using mills and decimills.

 

[akmike47]

For a country that insist on using inches, feet, yards and miles it is quite perplexing that you insist in using mills and decimills.

 

[502Chevelle]

Well, the first part is for dick measuring. The mils and decimals are for reticles.

 

[6.5SH]

MILOA anything else is just posing

 

[LeftyJason]

For a country that insist on using inches, feet, yards and miles it is quite perplexing that you insist in using mills and decimills.

American machinists speak in mils of an inch. Some of us even talk in tenth mils of an inch. 1 mil of an inch = 0.001" or 1 thou.

Mil just means an angle of 1000th. 1 mile at 1000 miles is a mil. 1 foot or yard at 1000 feet or yard is a mil.

 

[Alphatreedog]

You can always get a ding-ding to the tonsils

Wooooe . We talkin meat pole speed bagging a uvula ?
Not muh thang .
Wait is there money involved ?

 

[Ronws]

I would have to use negative numbers to measure mine on a cold day. Like a turtle with earmuffs.

 

[Rookie]

Us IPHY guys sit quietly in the corner watching the children argue over silly toys, knowing that someday they will grow up and learn the true path.

 

[Holliday]

Us IPHY guys sit quietly in the corner watching the children argue over silly toys, knowing that someday they will grow up and learn the true path.

Mental retardation is illusive in some of us…….With the increase in heavy metals and micro plastic in our food supply, perhaps you can still have some hope. Don’t sell the farm, just yet though…

 

[whiskeytower]

PFT you seen them ring marks? Tube is bent i can see that clearly. Ill give you 25% of asking price! Not 1 penny more. You pay shipping and Ill send a check once i receive and thoroughly inspect and use said product. Then only to conclude its a POS and return to sender with no tracking.

 

[brianf]

All joking aside it doesn’t matter if you have a FFP scope. Someone said it pages ago…if you miss adjust by the amount of “lines/ dots” you missed by and adjust. Who cares about the actual distance.

Miss 2 dots left..shit
Hold 2 dots right..hit
All things equal, Do you really care how big of a miss it was?
Maybe for practice etc but no one cares

Distance / missed by 3” etc, is needed if your speaking with someone and not using the same math-language-unit of measure or looking through a SFP (unless it’s on the specific mag that the ret works with you FFP, usually the highest)

Truthfully 99% of the people who shoot are shooting at a square range or shooting at plates they shot at 1000000 times before. You can use a duplex and shoot just as well.

Personally as I’ve gotten older and the family takes up more time I’m pretty much stuck at 1-200 yard square ranges. So I’m buying higher mag ranges with fine rets.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Just so I am not confused any longer, which of the 4 types ( MOA, MIL. IPHY, or Minute of Duck) on a scale of 1-10 will make you dead'er or out of the fight quicker, with a competent trigger puller? Same question goes for FFP vs SFP

 

[Makinchips208]

Just so I am not confused any longer, which of the 4 types ( MOA, MIL. IPHY, or Minute of Duck) on a scale of 1-10 will make you dead'er or out of the fight quicker, with a competent trigger puller? Same question goes for FFP vs SFP

MIL in a FFP is the quickest way out of this world.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

MIL in a FFP is the quickest way out of this world.

Please, explain your logic,...

 

[whiskeytower]

Fake news...... deadiests comes from mil reticle and A DUCK PER MINUTE adjustment. .... losers.....

 

[Darryle]

Kentucky

 

[MarshallDodge]

Please, explain your logic,...

It's easy when you measure the short bus in fractions rather than tenths.

 

[Makinchips208]

It's easy when you measure the short bus in fractions rather than tenths.

Whole, half, and quarter are simple!

@Gunfighter14e2

 

[Ronws]

Watch me circulate the fecal soup.

It was inches that won WWI and WWII.

(I really don't care, just thought I could offer a little sauce.)

 

[LuckyLuke80]

Some countries use the metric system. Other countries put men on the moon

 

[LuckyLuke80]

If mil is so much better then why are literally all targets scored in moa? Also, just for the mil crowd, next time you brag about accuracy let’s hear how your gun is “sub mil”

 

[Makinchips208]

If mil is so much better then why are literally all targets scored in moa? Also, just for the mil crowd, next time you brag about accuracy let’s hear how your gun is “sub mil”

They will say it’s sub .1 mil..

“When I do my part”

 

[MarshallDodge]

Some countries use the metric system. Other countries put men on the moon

NASA uses the metric system

 

[Makinchips208]

NASA uses the metric system

Thats why elon has to rescue them?

 

[LuckyLuke80]

Thats why elon has to rescue them?

I was referring to Elon with my comment. NASA doesn’t count since it’s run and staffed with dei

 

[Makinchips208]

I actually prefer mil, but all the deer slayers i run with use moa, and iphy and various other flavors.

 

[LuckyLuke80]

I agree with @Makinchips208. My main scope is moa in second focal plane. They say not to look a gift horse in the mouth, but I look my gift scope in the lens. It serves my purpose, but I do like mil and I think it’s better in a few ways. I just like to stir the pot.

 

[TonyTheTiger]

Some countries use the metric system. Other countries put men on the moon

Lol, then there's the third group of people that think mils and metric have something to do with each other.

 

[6.5SH]

Lol, then there's the third group of people that think mils and metric have something to do with each other.

Mils were adopted into the metric system, they did not originate there.

 

[LuckyLuke80]

Lol, then there's the third group of people that think mils and metric have something to do with each other.

And there’s also people that think the bear pit is full of sincere answers. My snarky responses are as legitimate as the mil vs moa argument

 

[6.5SH]

Other than getting the yards per mile part wrong this is still the best answer:



ETA:
Causing European tantrums since 1776

 

[carbonbased]

Other than getting the yards per mile part wrong this is still the best answer:



ETA:
Causing European tantrums since 1776

SOLIDER: “How many liters are in a gallon, sir?”

GEORGE WASHINGTON: “Nobody knows.”

 

[carbonbased]

Other than getting the yards per mile part wrong this is still the best answer:



ETA:
Causing European tantrums since 1776

Part 2

 

[akmike47]

Kentucky

I don’t think fucking your cousin helps your shooting

 

[Longshot231]

All of my rifle scopes are in MILs. I also have a Vortex spotting scope and purchased the extra eyepieces which have reticles graduated in both MILs and MOA.

So if I am spotting for someone that has a scope in MOA, I put in the corresponding eyepiece.

So when it gets down to where the rubber meets the road, I don't care what someone prefers for their scopes.

On the other hand, I have one pet peeve. That's the people who have a scope on their rifle in MOA and are spotting for a person with a scope in MILs, or vice versa. They don't bother to ask what the shooter's scope is graduated for!

Then they start spotting for the other person and tell him how many clicks, up/down, left/right he needs to correct for.

The worst example was when I was shooting my Sharps 45-70 with black powder loads. Normally, when there is a breeze, the smoke clears enough where I can see the impact down range.

This particular day was one with zero wind. So when I shot, the smoke lingered in front of me and I couldn't see the impacts on or about the target at 600 yards.

The other person was not shooting but looking through his riflescope and giving me corrections in so many clicks. I don't know if his scope was in MILs or MOA. I couldn't convince him that I needed the corrections according to target dimensions. The fact that I was shooting with 150 year old style sights meant nothing to him.

For example; come up half a target and left a target. If you have ever used a vernier sight on a Sharps you would understand that "clicks" (even in MOA) doesn't help me.

I ignored him.

There are four things in life that I cannot stand and not necessarily in this order:

(1) Cold coffee
(2) Wet toilet paper
(3) Dancing with a woman that leads
(4) Someone who cannot spot!