Rifle Scopes Do you know if it will work?

[308skinner]

Im looking at getting the Bushnell FFP 6-24 it has only 17 mils for elvation(as i was told). I dont know if that would get me out to 1000 yards or not with a 20moa base. So i thinking bout getting a Badger 30moa base. The question is will i be able to get a 100 yard zero or not with the 30moa base? If anyone knows it sure would help me out.

Thanks
Adam

 

[BobinNC]

Re: Do you know if it will work?

Actually if it had 17 MILS it would be great. Alas the real numbers I've seen (but not tested myself) is only 13 MILS (46.8 MOA) for the 6-24x50mm FFP.

13 MILS is 6.5 MILS up and down (or in MOA speak 23.4" Up and Down). Now add a 20 MOA base, and your have 12 MILS up and 1 MIL down (MOA speak 43.2" Up and 3.6" Down). That's pretty close to bottom with a 20 MOA base.

Now with a 30 MOA base (8.3 MILS) added, you would have 13 MILS Up and 0 MILS down.

My feeling is a 100 zero would be OK in most cases, on most rifles with a 20 MOA base; and with a 30 MOA base a 100 yd zero is simply not possible.

Bob

 

[308skinner]

Re: Do you know if it will work?

Thats what i needed to know. Im wanting to take it out to 1000 and want to make sure i have plenty of up to get there.

 

[springer01]

Re: Do you know if it will work?

To convert MILS to MOA don't you multiply the MILS by 3.438 not 3.6?

 

[BobinNC]

Re: Do you know if it will work?

springer,

Yes, 1 MIL is 3.6" @ 100 yds. 1 MIL is also 3.438 MOA. I used IPHY, so I should have used " or SMOA.

Which is always the problem. Most scopes called MOA/MOA scopes are really SMOA/SMOA. There a few that are really MOA scopes, some USO's for example.

I'm not really sure a 20 MOA base is really 20 MOA, and not 20 SMOA? Are you?

The whole language of IPHY or SMOA, v MOA leaves much to be desired. We say one when we really mean another.

But a MIL is always a MIL. Makes the math less troublesome, and no language barrier.

Bob

 

[springer01]

Re: Do you know if it will work?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I'm not really sure a 20 MOA base is really 20 MOA, and not 20 SMOA? Are you?

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I doubt it ,but no I dont know for sure.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
But a MIL is always a MIL. Makes the math less troublesome, and no language barrier. </div></div>
+1

 

[Lindy]

Re: Do you know if it will work?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not really sure a 20 MOA base is really 20 MOA, and not 20 SMOA? Are you?</div></div>

Nope - but an error of that magnitude in a base is inconsequential, while that difference in elevation adjument is not.

 

[brand692]

Re: Do you know if it will work?

Not to get off topic, but why doesn't someone introduce bases with built in MILs? We've gone from MIL/MOA scopes to MIL/MIL and MOA/MOA, but bases have stayed at MOA. Isn't it about time to have MIL bases too?

Wouldn't it be easiest to have the whole shebang in MIL or MOA?

 

[Lindy]

Re: Do you know if it will work?

There's not much point. If you want to know how many mil the slant of a particular base has, just divide the MOA by 3.438.

I'm an advocate of mil/mil scopes, or MOA/MOA scopes if you prefer, but, to quote myself, the art of the rifle depends on making distinctions between what does and does not make a difference to the objective, which is hitting the target.

And this distinction does not.

 

[brand692]

Re: Do you know if it will work?

I am not suggesting that a MIL base would enable someone to hit a target easier than a MOA base. I agree with you completely. A MIL base would not enable a shooter to hit the target any better than a MOA base.

I simply think that if one works with MILs, then a MIL base would be easier to use. And I bet they would sell.

 

[springer01]

Re: Do you know if it will work?

Like Lindy said just divide you base in MOA by 3.438 and you have your mils not like that's something you are going to have to figure out on the spot under pressure or anything. Although I do see your point, it is really unnecessary.

 

[frollo]

Re: Do you know if it will work?

what about the differences in milliradion vs the military mil