Does "Over-Annealing" Impact Shot Dynamics?

To be honest - with our eyes having a resolution of only 0.1mm, 3 angular degrees, and much cruder measures in other areas…

I seriously doubt our eyes are any better at discerning any differences in glow; we’re not Japanese swordsmiths who’re totally Zenned out in their craft and can actually tell the difference…

I think we’ll have to chalk this one up to bubbatech or bubbalore 🤣
Hmmm??? How do you corelate resolution with intensity?

Though I've got old light blue eyes, they're still very sensitive to light . . . .always have been. And I don't find it hard to distinguish between a dull orange glow and a bright white glow and something in between. ;)
 
there is a device that can check hardness of brass '' W-20A Webster Hardness Tester for Aluminum Alloy Metal Durometer'' i have never used one my self
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A couple of weeks ago, while talking about annealing, @918v mentioned that he saw velocity drop load to load when he annealed every shot. He mentioned that he has shifted to annealing less than every shot (I think he mentioned 1/4, but I can't find it - perhaps he will post here). He called it "over-annealing", but that technically means you've cooked a case by getting it too hot - we need to come up with another label here...

Per AMP, annealing every time - or even annealing multiple times in a row - does not offer different results.

So, which is it?

I tend to agree with much of what @918v posts, so I don't discount what he's saying. At the same time, AMP is certainly in the know here too.

I decided to run what will likely be the first of many tests in this regard.

What I did:

- I took new Lapua brass and prepped as follows: uniformed flash holes and primer pockets, trimmed/chamferred/deburred, mandrel, neck lube
- After the trim step, I annealed every piece of this new brass. With five pieces, I annealed them four times, letting them cool completely between annealing
- I then primed, charged and seated (using an AMP Press)

Here are the plots (annealed 4x in blue):
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Notes:
- As you can see, the 4x annealed cases show markedly lower seating forces.
- This is likely to have been caused by the brass being slightly softer.
- If these two sets of cases were shot next to each other (and I will do so hopefully tomorrow, but I might have Covid...), you would expect to see slightly lower velocity from those with lower seating forces.
- This is not 100% analogous to annealing four times over four shots because in that case, the brass would be getting worked during each shot, so I wouldn't expect this much of a drop

What's next? I don't know. I have to noodle on what would be a good test here to see how much this impacts things - I also hope I don't have Covid so I can test these tomorrow.
I wonder if the so called excessive annealing and the seen change in seating force is not related to the new annealing level but the difference between Lapua 'new' case factory annealing specification and the AMP target?

Must send Matt an email and ask this question - should be back on deck Monday after our country's Christmas break.

A good test would have needed 25 cases
5x factory new
5x AMP x1
5x AMP x2
5x AMP x3
5x AMP x4

1, If the correct theory is that each cycle progressively softened the brass, then each group will have lower seating force traces as they get more cycles

2, If it is a difference between factory annealing level and AMP Annealing level, we will see the factory trace as per the sample shown and all the AMP traces stacked as per the shown AMP track

3, Also, it may just be a normal outter limit batch of brass or in this times one released to fill an order to get it to market that rushed through the annealing process. This is my hypothesis and suspect is the most likely outcome.

Have been using the AMP since they came out and not noticed any significant mv changes with annealing on good quality brass when done every cycle. What I have just tested is changing the bushing used in the Redding Competition Dies- the usual -0.001-2 from loaded es and sd got improved when going back to duplicating the factory new diameter so going from 0.335 down to 0,331 bushings on both Lapua and Petterson brass gained a few fps back to the factory new velocity.

Running a test at Nationals in a week's time (hopefully not Trenthamed):
Factory fresh Palma brass vs Petterson SRP returned to Factory sized and annealed condition on the AMP. Previous testing showed that I can directly 1:1 switch between the brass I have and have nearly identical stats and ballistic performance. Unfortunately will only have target engagement data as not on e targets so no ballistics figures until using the leftovers on home range.

Unfortunately, I don't have an AMP press and new Lapua brass is north of $2 a pop and apart from the new .308 Palma acquired in a trade have no other new brass to try on hand.