Does Remington Care about us?

[finbox]

I have always been a Rem fan, but what rifles do they produce that are great for long range shooting....The 5R (which is just a great barrel) and what else....

I don't have a Savage but damn they have MANY rifles in all kinda configurations, that are great for long range and they are KILLING F-class. Their catalog is like a custom shops rifles.

I get the feeling if 50 guys from the hide got together and asked Savage to produce a rifle they would make it...Rem will not even produce a gun in .260 REM...

What has Rem done for you lately?

 

[johnnycat]

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$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Bradu]

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I wish Remington would get rid of the triangle barrels, there are a couple models I like and would buy if it wasn't for the barrel.

 

[rrflyer]

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All the rem varmint rifles

700p

338 lapua

700 tactical and AaC

Savage almost had me with the LRP until I saw how heavy the barrel is.

 

[Muttt]

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I like the SPS Tactical .... good call on thier part. Bad call on the SPS stock.

I was going to buy a Savage .... but that accutrigger is hideous. It's like a glock.

 

[CanSniper]

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+ 1 on the triangle barrels. What were they thinking? Remington has a great foundation and have been the standard forever. And I love my 5R (even though the stock is not my first choice)But they need to step forward and listen to what customers want, or savage is going to pass them up.

 

[skog]

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I spoke to the guy behind the triangle barrel once. He runs the custom shop and is a very high up engineer, I believe he graudated from MIT. He said they were playing with slab sided flutes and just took it too far but though that it looked cool so they put it into production. He said that he knew there no real benifits other that looks and that the intergral muzzle brake was to capture part of the tactical market. He is also the same guy that designed the 204 ruger and was Bill Rugers last apprentice.

 

[Rthur]

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Cerberus bought them in 2007 and the bottom line is the only priority since. Not that rem didn't have any problems before. The bean counters have arrived. Remington used to be known as "the" place to buy a bolt action.

 

[jamesbern]

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I like the triangle barrel myself. Hell I just bought one today

No interest in a can or anything so I figured what the hell. It has the stock I wanted on it already and i'll just slap on a scope, base, and rings and shoot the crap out of it.

 

[Niles Coyote]

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We are at the bottom of there list to be sure; Military, deer hunters and law enforcement all come before us long range target shooters when it comes to gun sales.

Money talks.

But...

Remington has a new CEO taking over, now might be a good time for us all to flood them with requests for a varmint barrel 260 and/or 6.5 creedmoor. Just remember to tell them to twist it 1-8.5 or faster or it will die as quick as there last 260 varmint.

The creedmoor may be a better request as I am sure they would say "A 260, we tried that already and it flopped"... plus that cartridge is more likely to work well for us reloaders. (ref: the history of the long chambers on there other guns)

 

[SCOTTx88]

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The Senderos work nicely, They only made the .260 VLS one year,still hoping they bring that back. They made a .260 a couple years ago, but not a heavy barrel, CDLSF. Stainless is my drug. But yeah basically bean counters,demand,demand.

300 RUM Sendero

Sendero and VSSF

5R .308

 

[kill_goose]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Niles Coyote</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We are at the bottom of there list to be sure; Military, deer hunters and law enforcement all come before us long range target shooters when it comes to gun sales.

Money talks.

But...

Remington has a new CEO taking over, now might be a good time for us all to flood them with requests for a varmint barrel 260 and/or 6.5 creedmoor. Just remember to tell them to twist it 1-8.5 or faster or it will die as quick as there last 260 varmint.

The creedmoor may be a better request as I am sure they would say "A 260, we tried that already and it flopped"... plus that cartridge is more likely to work well for us reloaders. (ref: the history of the long chambers on there other guns)








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Ya, they sure screwed the pooch with the .260 offering it in only a 1:9.

Hmmmmm, apparently they didnt learn their lesson back in the .244/6mm days when they gave it up to the .243 Win.


Im a Remington guy. Gimme a M700 any day. But even I have to shake my head at what they've been doing for the last 5 years or so. Not to mention, the small detail craftsmanship, like fit and finish on their rifles seems to have gone downhill.

Kinda like Mathews bows. "Lets just release the same damn bow year after year. We'll just add "something" to the "Z7" name on it."

 

[finbox]

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Once again I'm not a Savage Fanboy (I don't own a Savage)
but if you have wrote Savage off and have never looked at their site take a look and you will see what I'm talking about.
Look at their Centerfire "Target" and "Law enforcement" selections...look at all the caliber choices, look at the actions only, name brand stocks, detachable mags, CHASSIS SYSTEM etc..etc..

I know it's about $$$$ and Savage is getting almost all of it.

Just think if REM made a rifle with a real magazine or any of the above options...hell think if REM made a rifle that people actually want....Even Ruger has the Gunsight Model with a detachable mag and set up like some people want.(not for everybody but at least they try)
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/

 

[hiddenmongoose]

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Iv got 2 remys my 40xb tactical in 308

and my 700 vs in 220 swift

both are hammers, I have the 40xb out to 1000m regularly and iv nailed foxes out to over 400m with the swift.Iv never had any problems with either rifle, maybe iv just been lucky

 

[X-fan]

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I shoot mostly Remington.

I buy the gun, take everything off the action, blueprint it, then throw the rest in the dumpster...When it is all done I have something of value...As opposed to Savage.

I have a few (almost) stock VLS and Senderos.
They shoot fine for what they are.

Works for me!

 

[QuietShootr]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: X-fan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shoot mostly Remington.

I buy the gun, take everything off the action, blueprint it, then throw the rest in the dumpster...When it is all done I have something of value...As opposed to Savage.

I have a few (almost) stock VLS and Senderos.
They shoot fine for what they are.

Works for me!

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And what are you saving by doing that instead of just buying an action that doesn't suck the first time?

 

[turbo54]

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Nope, they don't care at all. We represent about .01% of the market, thus we are not much considered. GAP, SAC etc etc have little to worry about.

I really scratch my gead in amazement no factory makes a 1:7.5 twist 223. The folks who dont know much and run 55 and 62gr ammo would never know the difference. The ones that do know/care could buy a factory 223 rifle that handles 77s, 80s and 90s. Oh well.

 

[Rifle Barrel Blanks]

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Those senderos are nice!!

 

[Downzero]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The ones that do know/care could buy a factory 223 rifle that handles 77s, 80s and 90s. Oh well. </div></div>

My .223 rifle is 1 in 7. What's wrong with that?

 

[PeterN]

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However responsive .......or unresponsive ...Remmington was in the past they are likely to be less so in the future . Cerbus Capitol Managment, Remmington's owner has just named Robert Nardelli as the new Chairman and CEO. Nardelli's previous positions were as CEO of Chrysler Motors (they went bankrupt) and as CEO of Home Depot (they lost market leadership to Lowes). In both positions he drew national recognition as an aggressive and relentless cost cutter. Where do you think being a relentless cost cutter squares with being more responsive to customers "wish lists"? Being responsive to your customers costs $$$.

 

[Alpine 338]

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Like Sig Sauer, they are out of touch with their customer base. They basicly care about profits as a first priority, but without producing products that a wide range of customers want, they will end up being isolated from their consumer base (if not already there), and never able to benifit from producing a wanted or needed product, and making a profit from it. Ford Motor Company has pretty much gone the same direction the last 10-years.

Remington wants to profit from mass producted chezzy stocked hunting rifles, and military contracts. I wonder why they even have a Custom Shop. You call them and ask about a build, and they say... we can't do that, or we don't want to bothered with making something someone wants, and what they do offer costs twice that of a GAP build. I had one Custom Shop guy basicly tell me I should just buy a regular production rifle and be happy with it. Why bother?

FYI - I'm still a Remington guy.

 

[X-fan]

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Generally I buy them gently used.
For the most part (benchrest or F-class excluded) I don't like aftermarket actions.
Too tight for my style of shooting.
I like my rifles to go bang...Ever time.

I realize not everyone has those concerns, but you asked.

Peace

 

[Beef82]

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I like remmy's but I'm not thrilled with the new ones. I'd like to see remington offer action and bolt, no barrel or trigger, I don't even care if its drilled for sight bases or has a finish, for under $300. Can't argue cost prohibitive, they're making them anyway.

 

[turbo54]

Re: Does Remington Care about us?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The ones that do know/care could buy a factory 223 rifle that handles 77s, 80s and 90s. Oh well. </div></div>

My .223 rifle is 1 in 7. What's wrong with that? </div></div>

1:7 is great, nothing wrong at all! Is that a factory rifle?

 

[AMMOWASTER]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I really scratch my gead in amazement no factory makes a 1:7.5 twist 223. The folks who dont know much and run 55 and 62gr ammo would never know the difference. The ones that do know/care could buy a factory 223 rifle that handles 77s, 80s and 90s. Oh well.</div></div>
All the Tikkas were 1:8 unless something changed. Dont know if that will do the 90's but should handle 80's and the like

 

[Oldsmobiler]

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Like any huge corporation nowadays all they care about is the net bottom line and shareholders. How many units can they pump out at the lowest cost and sell them for the highest price. Factory guns don't turn my crank anymore. Go build what you want...way more rifle in the end

 

[Jmilera]

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As stated before big corporations don't care about the end user, it is seen in hospitals to. If there is no respect for human life what makes anyone think that they care what your rifle does. It comes back to money, and they want it.