Rifle Scopes Does this plan make sense?

[raider1v1]

I have several ar's and 2 bolt guns that i want to be able to use some XRS scopes on. I have decided to sell all of my Sightron S3's and just use a couple scopes vs one on each rifle.

I am planning on using the Larue LT745 w/ 20 MOA for the AR's. For the bolt rifles, i am planning on the Larue LT120 to switch between the two bolt guns.

Does this plan make sense, or am I missing some thing?

 

[jonesy]

Makes sense.

This is how I run my bolt guns. I use an ADM mount though, the LaRues are way too tall. I think the ADM is also cheaper, but I'm not 100% sure.

Lots of people will tell you these QD mounts are a bad idea, but it works for me.

 

[Redmanss]

I would rather have a Tasco on each rifle than a S&B sharing across multiples. The rezeroing isn't worth it.

 

[raider1v1]

Makes sense.

This is how I run my bolt guns. I use an ADM mount though, the LaRues are way too tall. I think the ADM is also cheaper, but I'm not 100% sure.

Lots of people will tell you these QD mounts are a bad idea, but it works for me.

what mount do you have? does it leave marks on the receiver?

 

[raider1v1]

i just checked out the ADM and they recommenced the AD-Recon-20 and the AD-Recon-SL as alternatives. The problem that i see right off the bat is they say near-zero return where larue told me zero return.

 

[jonesy]

i just checked out the ADM and they recommenced the AD-Recon-20 and the AD-Recon-SL as alternatives. The problem that i see right off the bat is they say near-zero return where larue told me zero return.

My LaRue and ADM both return to zero. I use the ADM recon SL right now. It does not leave marks on the receiver like the LaRue does.

 

[Early Cuyler]

I would rather have a Tasco on each rifle than a S&B sharing across multiples. The rezeroing isn't worth it.

I second this. I am not a fan of rezero-ing each time. Honestly even with my DTA it's a bit of a pain keeping track of where the scope is at during caliber conversions, but I do 100% know the shifts are repeatable.

Also for ADM vs. Larue, I've owned both. I sold the Larue and kept the ADM based solely on the fact that I didn't need it anymore. Both function flawlessly and I have not had any issues with ring marks on either when proper torque was applied. The Larue mount did rub off some of the finish on the underside of my picatinny rail. This was purely cosmetic and didn't affect the ability of the mount/scope to return to zero. The ADM uses a clamp-on system which has not left a mark on my rails yet.

 

[raider1v1]

hmm interesting. that seems to be the opposite of this - LT (LaRue) vs. ADM (American Defense) - A Comparison - AR15.COM

i know that re-zeroing isnt the most fun, but it shouldn't be more than a small adjustment and as time and money pass i can buy more of them. i just cant replace all of them with ERS or XRS models right now. that would be over 9K.

 

[jonesy]

hmm interesting. that seems to be the opposite of this - LT (LaRue) vs. ADM (American Defense) - A Comparison - AR15.COM

i know that re-zeroing isnt the most fun, but it shouldn't be more than a small adjustment and as time and money pass i can buy more of them. i just cant replace all of them with ERS or XRS models right now. that would be over 9K.

You're referring to marking the receiver? That review was of two aimpoint mounts, first of all. Secondly, a mark on your receiver is not the end of the world.

I like the idea of these mounts because having a respectable scope on each rifle is really kind of absurd from an economical standpoint. That would be like having a kestrel for each rifle, a ballistic calculator for each rifle, sandbags for each rifle, etc.I see the scope as a tool to be used alongside the rifle, not necessarily as part of the rifle.

PS: maybe I'm just lucky, but I have not had to rezero with either of my mounts between shooting sessions. Moving from one rifle to another is as simple as knowing the difference in zero and adjusting accordingly. It's not a big deal when you consider all the other preparations you ha e to make before taking shot in the first place.

 

[raider1v1]

You're referring to marking the receiver? That review was of two aimpoint mounts, first of all. Secondly, a mark on your receiver is not the end of the world.

I like the idea of these mounts because having a respectable scope on each rifle is really kind of absurd from an economical standpoint. That would be like having a kestrel for each rifle, a ballistic calculator for each rifle, sandbags for each rifle, etc.I see the scope as a tool to be used alongside the rifle, not necessarily as part of the rifle.

PS: maybe I'm just lucky, but I have not had to rezero with either of my mounts between shooting sessions. Moving from one rifle to another is as simple as knowing the difference in zero and adjusting accordingly. It's not a big deal when you consider all the other preparations you ha e to make before taking shot in the first place.

thats what im thinking, that if i go from 223 to the grendel, adjust the elevation .3 mil (example). i just didnt know how much of a pain it would be and wanted to hear from someone that does this already.

 

[jonesy]

thats what im thinking, that if i go from 223 to the grendel, adjust the elevation .3 mil (example). i just didnt know how much of a pain it would be and wanted to hear from someone that does this already.

I guess it's easy for me because I use a Horus reticle. I don't even mess with the knobs when I switch rifles. I just know when I switch from my 260 to my 7mmRM that I have to hold 1.4 mils high for each shot. alternatively, I can adjust my elevation 1.4 mils up and everything is dandy.

I would recommend using these mounts. They work for me and it'll save you a shitload of money

 

[Redmanss]

PS: maybe I'm just lucky, but I have not had to rezero with either of my mounts between shooting sessions. Moving from one rifle to another is as simple as knowing the difference in zero and adjusting accordingly. It's not a big deal when you consider all the other preparations you ha e to make before taking shot in the first place.

What do you think rezeroing is? You're still having to adjust from one zero to another; THAT's REZEROING. Yes, the adjustments are typically repeatable (with a good mount), but now your zero is off. Do you run different drop cards? Reset your knobs each time? Just "know" that your base elevation is now at 1.4 mil up, and you have to add that to all of your adjustments? What a PITA.

Maybe some of you are talking about groomed range shooting, where you have even yard lines and you're only a fair weather or close range shooter at that so environmental and real drop conditions aren't coming into play. Fine, so be it, but in the tactical/practical shooting world of 600yd+ doing business like that is a pain in the ass. It causes shots to be missed because your mind is either doing extra math when you should be looking at the wind, or you're looking at the wind when your mind should be doing the extra math.

Would you conceal carry a pistol that you "know" you need to hold 3 o'clock every shot, or would you fix it? Just because you can make do with something that can be fixed doesn't make it smart, and in fact I believe it's quite the contrary.

Things like matching knobs/reticles, zero stops, Kestrels, drop cards/ballistic computers and laser range finders are so popular because keeping it simple allows you to focus on the shot you're making rather than everything else that goes into that shot.

OP, my recommendation is to replace one scope at a time, or down a couple rifles while you're making the cross over.

 

[raider1v1]

so for the guys w/ a lot of different rifles and want premium glass, do you really have 10K sitting in glass in your safe? or how do you handle it? Its just 5 rifles now, im sure ill have more in the future.

 

[jonesy]

Redmanss, those are all very valid points.

The question is, how much of a pain in the ass is it to "rezero"? For me, it's just not enough of a PITA to justify buying another $2000-3000 optic. Plain and simple, I don't want to spend the money. OP is also in my boat if I understand the post correctly.

As for being distracted while holding, I have my scoped zeroed for my 260 and only hold 1.4 mils for my 7mm. Using a Horus reticle, I can just turn my elevation knob 1.4 mils up and then lock it. Since I use the reticle for all my holds, I don't have to touch it until I switch back.

Using this method, I actually have to do LESS knob turning, etc than someone with a standard reticle and a scope on every rifle. Adjust once when you switch rifles and forget about it.

Now, if you're switching the optic from rifle to rifle in the first place, then turning the elevation knob once isn't much more work.

All this being said, I agree with you. Keep everything as simple as possible. But with 3 or 4 optics, you increase the chances of damaging one and if your collection gets stolen, that's possibly upwards of $9000 that you're on the hole additionally. Lots of people don't like it, but these mounting systems are simply more practical if you're running more than one rifle.

 

[BobinNC]

so for the guys w/ a lot of different rifles and want premium glass, do you really have 10K sitting in glass in your safe? or how do you handle it? Its just 5 rifles now, im sure ill have more in the future.

I could tell how so many members of Sniper's Hide can afford high end scopes on multiple custom rifles, but I'm not sure you could handle it. But just this once I'll take a chance.

Once upon a time, a scheme was hatched by key members of the notorious Asshola cartel from south of some border. This highly trained group was led by the notorious ninja-like "Poca Luz". Poca Luz brilliantly schemed that there could be profit if they started a website that was dedicated to and promoted Tactical Long Range Shooting, but to make the scheme work they must also control the major market-share of products they were in fact recommending.

Poca Luz's two most trusted lieutenants, Hans Schmidt (aka: Ununterbrochener Säufer) and Tasco Ichimura (aka: 魚食べる人ヘッド) opened up clandestine Optics operations in both Düsseldorf and somewhere north of Toyko.

The first Düsseldorf plant was opened in the basement of the Rheinterasse Beer Garden and Bratwurst Emporium . Hans managed the entire operation whilst sitting on a bar stool. In fact his first design of the Schmidt ocular came to Hans suddenly while staring though the bottom of large empty beer steins after an all weekend bender.

Ichimura came from more humble beginnings, getting his start as a trusted orderly in a VD clinic, where the legend has it that he first met Poca Luz. Totally lacking in quality beer steins, like Hans, Ichimura realized that the glass found at the bottom of Sake bottles would make a fine substitute. Moving quickly from design to production, Ichimura started making scopes of all types in an abandoned Betamax factory.

There you have it.....

 

[McCrazy]

Time for your daily meds, Bob...

 

[raider1v1]

well i just got off the phone w/ andrew @ bobro. he was a super nice guy and explained the differences in mounts and why i would want one vs the other. i did find out, that hes got a super low model coming out in the next month or so that will be the same height as badger medium rings!

 

[jonesy]

well i just got off the phone w/ andrew @ bobro. he was a super nice guy and explained the differences in mounts and why i would want one vs the other. i did find out, that hes got a super low model coming out in the next month or so that will be the same height as badger medium rings!

That is awesome news... May have to get my hands on one of those.

 

[johnsmith1775]

A word of caution about swapping mount between different rifles. I have quite a few Larue mounts, but I don't swap them between different guns. I have found that the levers need to be adjusted specifically to the rail it is mounted too. I even have two Larue rails (5/8 riser and Remington 700 base) that I can't swap a Larue mount between because they are slightly different sizes. ADM's also need adjusted to fit the different rails. BOBRO on the other hand should swap without adjustment and they are the only mount I would try swapping optics with. Some guys have had good luck and their ADM and Larue mounts will swap between different rails, but you can't count on it working.

 

[raider1v1]

A word of caution about swapping mount between different rifles. I have quite a few Larue mounts, but I don't swap them between different guns. I have found that the levers need to be adjusted specifically to the rail it is mounted too. I even have two Larue rails (5/8 riser and Remington 700 base) that I can't swap a Larue mount between because they are slightly different sizes. ADM's also need adjusted to fit the different rails. BOBRO on the other hand should swap without adjustment and they are the only mount I would try swapping optics with. Some guys have had good luck and their ADM and Larue mounts will swap between different rails, but you can't count on it working.

Thanks for pointing this out. I didnt do a good job of describing this in my post earlier. This is the reason that I ordered the bobro mount last week vs going w/ the larues. Andrew told me specifically this was an advantage of his vs the larue.

 

[sarge7174]

Hey Bro,let me know when you're going to sell those shitty Sightrons,I'd probably take one off your hands.

 

[avidflyer]

If i did this, I'd use a Premier Vs about anything else....reason is the tool less slip feature. (u can slip the turret with no tools in the field). Had two Premiers...loved them, sold them went to SB.

 

[raider1v1]

Hey Bro,let me know when you're going to sell those shitty Sightrons,I'd probably take one off your hands.

not a problem boss.

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[springer01]

If I had 5 rifles and couldn't afford to scope each of them I would start selling some rifles until I could. Just my .02

 

[nightwolf0215]

^ that makes the most sense to me. Sell 2 rifles to buy 2 scopes so you have 3 scoped rifle.

Its all depends on what you want to do. Do you shoot all your guns at the same frequencies? I am sure you have your favorites and your favorite way of shooting too. Rezeroing is a pita but you can make it less painful for yourself.