"dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
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Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
Data On Previous/Prior Engagement = DOPE
No idea when it was first used though...
Data On Previous/Prior Engagement = DOPE
No idea when it was first used though...
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Data On Previous/Prior Engagement = DOPE
No idea when it was first used though... </div></div>
I've heard this too....but when going through my Sniper School one of my instructors was a very experienced competition shooter gave another story.
He explained that in the old days when a person took certain medicine for an illness they experienced a "change" in their condition. So eventually they gave medicine the nickname of "dope". Which is why you hear people refer to mind altering/changing medicine as "dope".....
Fast forward to the shooting world & shooters who would make a change in their scopes referred to "doping" the scope. So when they would tell others what their "change" was for a certain distance, they simply stated, "My dope is 5 MOA...."
Is this true....? Hell I have no idea & he could have probably pulled that right out his ass! But it sounded good at the time!
Personally, I like the "Data on Previous Engagement"....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Data On Previous/Prior Engagement = DOPE
No idea when it was first used though... </div></div>
I've heard this too....but when going through my Sniper School one of my instructors was a very experienced competition shooter gave another story.
He explained that in the old days when a person took certain medicine for an illness they experienced a "change" in their condition. So eventually they gave medicine the nickname of "dope". Which is why you hear people refer to mind altering/changing medicine as "dope".....
Fast forward to the shooting world & shooters who would make a change in their scopes referred to "doping" the scope. So when they would tell others what their "change" was for a certain distance, they simply stated, "My dope is 5 MOA...."
Is this true....? Hell I have no idea & he could have probably pulled that right out his ass! But it sounded good at the time!
Personally, I like the "Data on Previous Engagement"....
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
Well damn, I always thought it was Data On Personal Equipment. Prior Engagement seems to make more sense I suppose.
Well damn, I always thought it was Data On Personal Equipment. Prior Engagement seems to make more sense I suppose.
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
My grandmother was born in 1936. As a kid, she and her friends would mix Pixie Stix with something -- I forget what -- maybe grape soda. They called it "dope".
Probably goes back to the medicine reference, or maybe related to the sugar high.
My grandmother was born in 1936. As a kid, she and her friends would mix Pixie Stix with something -- I forget what -- maybe grape soda. They called it "dope".
Probably goes back to the medicine reference, or maybe related to the sugar high.
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Michael Aos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My grandmother was born in 1936. As a kid, she and her friends would mix Pixie Stix with something -- I forget what -- maybe grape soda. They called it "dope".
Probably goes back to the medicine reference, or maybe related to the sugar high. </div></div>
Well.....the "Suger High" was definitely a "change in behavior" wasn't it? LOL!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Michael Aos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My grandmother was born in 1936. As a kid, she and her friends would mix Pixie Stix with something -- I forget what -- maybe grape soda. They called it "dope".
Probably goes back to the medicine reference, or maybe related to the sugar high. </div></div>
Well.....the "Suger High" was definitely a "change in behavior" wasn't it? LOL!
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
My guess is that no one alive knows when or why it was first called that.
What we sometimes says to someone who put the wrong elevation on his rifle is that he's a dope - and that's why it's called that.
Good as any other story, I think.
My guess is that no one alive knows when or why it was first called that.
What we sometimes says to someone who put the wrong elevation on his rifle is that he's a dope - and that's why it's called that.
Good as any other story, I think.
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
One definition in my dictionary is:
informal, dated - work out something : they met to dope out plans for covering the event.
One definition in my dictionary is:
informal, dated - work out something : they met to dope out plans for covering the event.
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
DOPE = my stupid brain thinking that it's a good idea to dial wind, instead of holding, on a timed stage at the Shooter's Bash...and then dialing the wrong wind direction.
DOPE = my stupid brain thinking that it's a good idea to dial wind, instead of holding, on a timed stage at the Shooter's Bash...and then dialing the wrong wind direction.
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mgd45</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Data On Previous/Prior Engagement = DOPE
No idea when it was first used though... </div></div>
I've heard this too....but when going through my Sniper School one of my instructors was a very experienced competition shooter gave another story.
He explained that in the old days when a person took certain medicine for an illness they experienced a "change" in their condition. So eventually they gave medicine the nickname of "dope". Which is why you hear people refer to mind altering/changing medicine as "dope".....
Fast forward to the shooting world & shooters who would make a change in their scopes referred to "doping" the scope. So when they would tell others what their "change" was for a certain distance, they simply stated, "My dope is 5 MOA...."
Is this true....? Hell I have no idea & he could have probably pulled that right out his ass! But it sounded good at the time!
Personally, I like the "Data on Previous Engagement".... </div></div>
Interesting: I did find the several definitions of it in proper medicine seeming to infer "change"
Thanks fellas.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mgd45</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Data On Previous/Prior Engagement = DOPE
No idea when it was first used though... </div></div>
I've heard this too....but when going through my Sniper School one of my instructors was a very experienced competition shooter gave another story.
He explained that in the old days when a person took certain medicine for an illness they experienced a "change" in their condition. So eventually they gave medicine the nickname of "dope". Which is why you hear people refer to mind altering/changing medicine as "dope".....
Fast forward to the shooting world & shooters who would make a change in their scopes referred to "doping" the scope. So when they would tell others what their "change" was for a certain distance, they simply stated, "My dope is 5 MOA...."
Is this true....? Hell I have no idea & he could have probably pulled that right out his ass! But it sounded good at the time!
Personally, I like the "Data on Previous Engagement".... </div></div>
Interesting: I did find the several definitions of it in proper medicine seeming to infer "change"
Thanks fellas.
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
Since riflemen have been logging data for different conditions...
"Sick" and "phat" were too urban...
Since riflemen have been logging data for different conditions...
"Sick" and "phat" were too urban...
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
During the training for Barrett 50 caliber, at the Whittington Center, Jon Weiler, the instructor and army sniper, refferred to it as "Data Obtained (by) Previous Experience". Seems reasonable to me.
During the training for Barrett 50 caliber, at the Whittington Center, Jon Weiler, the instructor and army sniper, refferred to it as "Data Obtained (by) Previous Experience". Seems reasonable to me.
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
Cuz yer a Dope if you smoke the Rope and dial the pope..
I dunno, that was the first thing that popped to mind LOL
I always understood Prior Engagement as well.
Cuz yer a Dope if you smoke the Rope and dial the pope..
I dunno, that was the first thing that popped to mind LOL
I always understood Prior Engagement as well.
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
It all started the same time they began calling "thread sealing compound" for plumbing and hydraulics, Pipe Dope.
Just a different kind of pipe. (scope/barrel) Then there's the "Slope Doper" also, which adds a whole other dimension to the question.
It all started the same time they began calling "thread sealing compound" for plumbing and hydraulics, Pipe Dope.
Just a different kind of pipe. (scope/barrel) Then there's the "Slope Doper" also, which adds a whole other dimension to the question.
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
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Damage Of Penetrator Everywhere?
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Dry Old Propellant Escaping?
Dramatic Opening Pest Exploding?
Definatly Over Predicted Environmental?
Damage Of Penetrator Everywhere?
Diagnostic Overspeed Panhandle Excavator
Digital Object Pancreas Exploder?
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TresMon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Was looking around at various online dictionaries wondering when, where & why the term "dope" was ever used to refer to a rifleman's firing solution.
Anybody know?? </div></div>
I dont know, but do you know why they call the little clamp for holding a joint a roach clip?
Because pot holder was already taken.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TresMon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Was looking around at various online dictionaries wondering when, where & why the term "dope" was ever used to refer to a rifleman's firing solution.
Anybody know?? </div></div>
I dont know, but do you know why they call the little clamp for holding a joint a roach clip?
Because pot holder was already taken.
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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Im 98.3% sure its this one
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Digital Object Pancreas Exploder?
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Im 98.3% sure its this one
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
the previous engagement stuff is what you hear most lately... it's what I heard from my instuctor too... but from research I've done "dope" is a slang term for "factual information, especially of a secret or private nature"... so I have come to the conclusion that it is used that way. your "dope" is the information that you need to correct your final firing solution
the previous engagement stuff is what you hear most lately... it's what I heard from my instuctor too... but from research I've done "dope" is a slang term for "factual information, especially of a secret or private nature"... so I have come to the conclusion that it is used that way. your "dope" is the information that you need to correct your final firing solution
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dry Old Propellant Escaping?
Dramatic Opening Pest Exploding?
Definatly Over Predicted Environmental?
Damage Of Penetrator Everywhere?
Diagnostic Overspeed Panhandle Excavator
Digital Object Pancreas Exploder?
</div></div>
Damned Offensive Piece(of) Excretement
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dry Old Propellant Escaping?
Dramatic Opening Pest Exploding?
Definatly Over Predicted Environmental?
Damage Of Penetrator Everywhere?
Diagnostic Overspeed Panhandle Excavator
Digital Object Pancreas Exploder?
</div></div>
Damned Offensive Piece(of) Excretement
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
Always thought it was: Data Off Previous Engagements
When I hear the word dope, I always think of this song and get in a sweet shooting groove. Turn up your volume.
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Always thought it was: Data Off Previous Engagements
When I hear the word dope, I always think of this song and get in a sweet shooting groove. Turn up your volume.
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Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
Interesting. In the semiconductor industry, we also call it doping when you add a little bit of impurities to silicon in order to achieve a desired modification of the behavior of the semiconductor. This was developed in the '40s.. I guess the term was more popular back in the first half of the 20th century.
Nowadays we just refer to the Lance Armstrong variety, and I guess it's a very convenient hat hook for a bunch of TLAs..
Interesting. In the semiconductor industry, we also call it doping when you add a little bit of impurities to silicon in order to achieve a desired modification of the behavior of the semiconductor. This was developed in the '40s.. I guess the term was more popular back in the first half of the 20th century.
Nowadays we just refer to the Lance Armstrong variety, and I guess it's a very convenient hat hook for a bunch of TLAs..
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: force_multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the previous engagement stuff is what you hear most lately... it's what I heard from my instuctor too... but from research I've done "dope" is a slang term for "factual information, especially of a secret or private nature"... so I have come to the conclusion that it is used that way. your "dope" is the information that you need to correct your final firing solution</div></div> I think this is the more accurate answer, but like Lindy said I don't believe anyone out there will know for sure.
Like everything else in the military, even if it isn't one, they still try to make an acronym out of it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: force_multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the previous engagement stuff is what you hear most lately... it's what I heard from my instuctor too... but from research I've done "dope" is a slang term for "factual information, especially of a secret or private nature"... so I have come to the conclusion that it is used that way. your "dope" is the information that you need to correct your final firing solution</div></div> I think this is the more accurate answer, but like Lindy said I don't believe anyone out there will know for sure.
Like everything else in the military, even if it isn't one, they still try to make an acronym out of it.
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
I just finished reading a book called In The Trenches 1914 to 1918 about a Canadian Scout Sniper named Frank Iriam. It was published from notes after his death.
He talks about getting the Dope on a Rifle and Target in the book. So it was used in WWI.
I just finished reading a book called In The Trenches 1914 to 1918 about a Canadian Scout Sniper named Frank Iriam. It was published from notes after his death.
He talks about getting the Dope on a Rifle and Target in the book. So it was used in WWI.
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
It's old-timey slang for inside information, as in, "What's the straight dope?"
Also known as "the skinny", "the low-down" or "the poop."
I gather none of you guys ever watched the old Bowery Boys serials.
It's old-timey slang for inside information, as in, "What's the straight dope?"
Also known as "the skinny", "the low-down" or "the poop."
I gather none of you guys ever watched the old Bowery Boys serials.
Re: "dope" = firing solution. Why? What dictionary?
From the full OED, 2nd. Ed. (comprised of 20 volumes, each volume is the size of an unabridged Webster's):
...
4. Information, esp. on a particular subject or of a kind not widely disseminated or easily obtained; (a statement of) facts or essential details; also, information, a statement, etc., designed to gloss over or disguise facts; flattering or misleading talk. <span style="font-style: italic">slang</span> (orig. U.S.)
<span style="font-weight: bold">1901</span> 'H. McHugh' <span style="font-style: italic">John Henry</span> 77, <span style="font-style: italic">I've known Tommy for a long time, so he feels free to read his dope to me.</span>
...
<span style="font-weight: bold">1917</span> 'A.G. Empey' <span style="font-style: italic">From Fire Step</span> 103, <span style="font-style: italic">I was to send the dope to Cassel and he would transmit it to the Battery Commander as officially coming through the observation post.</span>
...
From the Concise OED, full definition:
dope
· n.
1 informal an illegal drug, especially cannabis or (US) heroin. Ø a drug used to enhance the performance of an athlete, racehorse, or greyhound.
2 informal a stupid person.
3 informal information.
4 a varnish used to strengthen the fabric surface of model aircraft. Ø a lubricant. Ø a substance added to petrol to increase its effectiveness.
· v.
1 administer dope to (a racehorse, greyhound, or athlete). Ø (be doped up) informal be heavily under the influence of drugs.
2 cover with varnish or other thick liquid.
3 Electronics add an impurity to (a semiconductor) to produce a desired electrical characteristic.
4 (dope something out) informal, dated work something out.
· adj. black slang very good.
– DERIVATIVES doper n.
– ORIGIN C19 (in the sense ‘thick liquid’): from Du. doop ‘sauce’, from doopen ‘to dip, mix’.
From the full OED, 2nd. Ed. (comprised of 20 volumes, each volume is the size of an unabridged Webster's):
...
4. Information, esp. on a particular subject or of a kind not widely disseminated or easily obtained; (a statement of) facts or essential details; also, information, a statement, etc., designed to gloss over or disguise facts; flattering or misleading talk. <span style="font-style: italic">slang</span> (orig. U.S.)
<span style="font-weight: bold">1901</span> 'H. McHugh' <span style="font-style: italic">John Henry</span> 77, <span style="font-style: italic">I've known Tommy for a long time, so he feels free to read his dope to me.</span>
...
<span style="font-weight: bold">1917</span> 'A.G. Empey' <span style="font-style: italic">From Fire Step</span> 103, <span style="font-style: italic">I was to send the dope to Cassel and he would transmit it to the Battery Commander as officially coming through the observation post.</span>
...
From the Concise OED, full definition:
dope
· n.
1 informal an illegal drug, especially cannabis or (US) heroin. Ø a drug used to enhance the performance of an athlete, racehorse, or greyhound.
2 informal a stupid person.
3 informal information.
4 a varnish used to strengthen the fabric surface of model aircraft. Ø a lubricant. Ø a substance added to petrol to increase its effectiveness.
· v.
1 administer dope to (a racehorse, greyhound, or athlete). Ø (be doped up) informal be heavily under the influence of drugs.
2 cover with varnish or other thick liquid.
3 Electronics add an impurity to (a semiconductor) to produce a desired electrical characteristic.
4 (dope something out) informal, dated work something out.
· adj. black slang very good.
– DERIVATIVES doper n.
– ORIGIN C19 (in the sense ‘thick liquid’): from Du. doop ‘sauce’, from doopen ‘to dip, mix’.
