eat this sporter contour and short barrel nay sayers !!!!

[Dallas4rceMarine]

while I do have several heavy barrel high dollar rifles made by SAC, LRI, GAP, and Surgeon I can also appreciate the need and purpose for a nice lightweight tuned stock Rem 700. People tried to give me crap fro getting the skinny barrel and then cutting it down to 20", Im guessing they have never had to hump a rifle around on a hunt or think that only long heavy barrels are accurate.
rifle: Rem 700SPS .300wsm, trued and bedded into H&S precision stock, barrel cut down to 20", trigger set to 3.5#
group size is pretty small!

velocity is still 2825 with a 180gr bullet!!

only draw back to the short barrel is the rifle punches you in the shoulder when you shoot it.
only draw back to the skinny barrel is you cannot shoot it repeatedly or it will heat up and fling rounds.

the weight and size is perfect for hunting

 

[Pinecone]

What app is that?

 

[WTW]

That is the same thing I was thinking. That looks like a very cool app...

 

[triceratops3]

I too would like to know what app that is. Also, do you have any pics of the rifle?

 

[fnbrowning]

The trouble with 3-shot groups is that if you shoot enough 3-shot groups, you will be lucky enough to up with at least one very tight group.
However, usually what happens if another five or seven shots are fired to complete a 10-shot string, other bullets fill in the space between the 3-shot groups to make a reasonably rounded group. Ten shots are a more reliable indicator when it comes to predicting a rifle and ammo's average accuracy.

Sorry, we'll need at least a 10-shot to comment on your sporter contour barrel.

 

[varmint slayer]

The app looks to be Ballistic AE for iPhone and other smartphones.

 

[BoilerUP]

3 shot groups should be more than sufficient to evaluate the accuracy of a light contour hunting rifle that should only be needed for a cold-bore shot with possibly one follow-up.

...but 5 3-shot groups in the same target would be mo'betta.

 

[317millhand]

My factory Tikka T3 Hunter will shoot 3 shot groups like all day long as long as I let the barrel cool between groups. It shoots tighter 3 shot groups than my Crusader. The fourth shot is when groups start to open up a bit.

Very nice shooting sir, and enjoy your rifle. Lightweight, cheap, and accurate are the main reasons I hunt with a Tikka.

 

[Dallas4rceMarine]

You are correct it is ballistic AE!

While I do agree a 5 shot group is better, like mentioned above this is a sporter contour so shooting to much would just heat the barrel and cause flyers. You usually shoot 1 or 2 rounds on a hunt.

If you are insinuating I shot multiple 3 shot groups to get a good one for a pic you are mistaken, however if you would like to come down and shoot this rifle in the hot Texas sun allowing time between shots for the barrel to cool you are welcome to do so!

 

[vagrendlier]

I had a .243. M700 bedded in a h&s stock and barrel floated. It had a 22" spotter barrel and I could produce a five shot group you could cover with a buckle easy. Its good to have a light carry rifle if you hunt. I wouldn't want to lug my 26 " bull barrel around all day. Not my idea of fun. That's a nice group! How much velocity is the magnum giving up?

 

[vagrendlier]

It was a sporter barrel and that was a nickle. I guess you could be proud of a buckle covering your group if it was shot with a slingshot. Lol

 

[JGorski]

You are correct it is ballistic AE!

While I do agree a 5 shot group is better, like mentioned above this is a sporter contour so shooting to much would just heat the barrel and cause flyers. You usually shoot 1 or 2 rounds on a hunt.

If you are insinuating I shot multiple 3 shot groups to get a good one for a pic you are mistaken, however if you would like to come down and shoot this rifle in the hot Texas sun allowing time between shots for the barrel to cool you are welcome to do so!

For skinnier barrel deer rifles I always use 3 shot groups, my Classic stocked 308 shoots like this at 200yds. You have a nice group there from 100yds, too!

 

[JGorski]

Here's my deer rifle. It likes 178HPBTs and 168AMAXs.

 

[Dallas4rceMarine]

vagrendlier: avg velocity was still 2825fps measured at 12 feet with a ProChrono. so it gave up about 100fps.

JGorski: that looks like a 200yd kill shot to me!

I actually just sold this rifle to a buddy of mine who wanted a good beginner hunting rifle. If my northern friends ever invite me on an elk hunt I will build another light weight killer because my new GAP 300wsm is way to heavy to hump around the mountains. That rifle with scope and bipod only weighed 9lb's! my GAP weighs 17lbs!

 

[JGorski]

vagrendlier: avg velocity was still 2825fps measured at 12 feet with a ProChrono. so it gave up about 100fps.

JGorski: that looks like a 200yd kill shot to me!

I actually just sold this rifle to a buddy of mine who wanted a good beginner hunting rifle. If my northern friends ever invite me on an elk hunt I will build another light weight killer because my new GAP 300wsm is way to heavy to hump around the mountains. That rifle with scope and bipod only weighed 9lb's! my GAP weighs 17lbs!

Yeah, that classic (lower) rifle shoots the 178s 2723fps.

 

[kala_azar]

What's your load to get the 180AB to 2825 FPS in a 20" WSM? I'm working on a similar project, thanks!

 

[Dallas4rceMarine]

Factory ammo, reloads would probably do better!
I am at 500ft ASL with temps around 85-100

 

[Hntelk]

in Texas if ya wanna shoot more with the sporters...gotta bring more then one gun to the party...I usually bring 4 or 5 and rotate them in this Texas heat...even at that I end up waiting..LOL

 

[JGorski]

vagrendlier:
I actually just sold this rifle to a buddy of mine who wanted a good beginner hunting rifle. If my northern friends ever invite me on an elk hunt I will build another light weight killer because my new GAP 300wsm is way to heavy to hump around the mountains. That rifle with scope and bipod only weighed 9lb's! my GAP weighs 17lbs!

Id like to see a pic of your GAP rifle. Whats the contour, stock, etc?

 

[Dallas4rceMarine]

These are my name brand guns lol. I love them but they are way to heavy to hump into a hunt. Now if it was a 4wheeler ride to a tree stand then sure, but that's about it!
Left to right:
Short Action Customs .338 Lapua with their Alpha 11 action in a Manners TF4 stock.
GA Precision .300 WSM with a Rem 700 action in a AICS 2.0 stock.
Surgeon .260 Scalpel with their 591 action in a McMillan A-5 stock.

Not sure of the contour but maybe it's a #10 or 14?? I bought it used and plan to send it back to get fluted and threaded.

 

[Nebula]

I never seen so much whining over having to carry a whopping 15-20lbs as I have on this forum. Does everyone here have an office job?

 

[Vmaxed]

I never seen so much whining over having to carry a whopping 15-20lbs as I have on this forum. Does everyone here have an office job?

Really? You're right. If the 15-20 lbs gun was all that was on my back, it would be nice, but throw the 40ish lb pack on as well and then pack a deer out by yourself, aside an elk, and on that last trip you'll start wishing you didn't carry so much weight.

 

[Nebula]

Obviously ideally less weight would be better. But a light hunter is what, 8-9lbs? So at best you're saving 12lbs. From a lot of discussions I see here, you'd swear that extra few pounds will kill you. I'd bet most carry around more unnecessary weight everyday, just sayin.

 

[Big Z]

Good god....

 

[Travis224]

Damn! That looks like a fun day at the range!

 

[oldfatguy]

Totally different tools for totally different applications. My deer rifle will not be gong to the comp in the morning. And my heavy barreled comp rifles will not be going deer hunting. Both need to be accurate in their application.

OFG

 

[DirtyDave]

I never seen so much whining over having to carry a whopping 15-20lbs as I have on this forum. Does everyone here have an office job?

I see you are in WI. How far do you hike in a day while deer hunting? What's the terrain like, pretty flat? I'll bet it's nothing like hiking 10-15 miles each day through the Mountains. Lighter the better.

 

[sr15match]

Totally different tools for totally different applications. My deer rifle will not be gong to the comp in the morning. And my heavy barreled comp rifles will not be going deer hunting. Both need to be accurate in their application.

OFG

Exactly, there are long haul light weight hunting guns and then comp guns and others. No reason to have a hunting rig that has to weigh so much, if it is accurate / consistent that first or second shot, that's what matters, not that it can shoot a string....... If I can be in, fully decked out with scope, sling, loaded in the sub-10lb range I'd be happy and I know there's plenty out there with rifles quite a bit lighter.

My next buy is going to be lighter weight and smaller profile barrel. I'm not so worried about heat from 20 round strings or anything like that, it's being bought for a purpose, light weight to hunt with. Buy the right tool for the job, that's it, simple, not rocket science.

 

[Dallas4rceMarine]

Anyone who was in the military (or hikes into a hunt) knows this:
Ounces = pounds and pounds = pain.
As stated different tools for different jobs. You wouldn't use a 24" pipe wrench on a 1/2" fitting..
So why bring a 20 pound 26" rifle hunting when you don't need to?
I see a few more light weight sporter builds in my future!