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Private jet dispatched to transfer American Ebola victims from Africa | Fox News
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Ebola virus patients are being transported from west Africa to Atlanta
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Considering the tight controls there will undoubtably be on those patients, I am much more concerned about the millions of illegals invading the southern border with no health inspections whatsoever. Everything from scabies to TB to bedbugs are on the rise after being nearly eradicated here. We dont know who these people are, what their allegiances are, what diseases they have, or what they are bringing in with them, but one thing is for certain...we will be paying for them anyway.
Im very concerned, as it makes zero sense. There is no cure and they are risking infecting an entire continent for nothing. And for those that will say its been here already, yea its been here in vials, not in person, and The CDC doesnt have the best track record either. Its a cluster fuck from the word go and makes you wonder about all the conspiracy theory stuff thats been discussed.
Several doctors dead after taking every precaution known to man...
When I got my Biology degree, The Hot Zone book came out, and it will definitely twist your head around. A true story, by the way. A good read, just don't read it before bed...
I have worked in sterile labs and in sterile environments, and it is stunning the amount of medical personnel that have died due to Ebola. They took every precaution and STILL contracted Ebola and died...
Tough to acquire? Has to be through body fluids, right?
Well, suppose someone is sweating due to the fever, wipes their forehead, touches a door knob, gets into a car, sneezes and coughs a bunch, and then is finally dropped off at the hospital. What then? Wasn't it the WHO that stated in 1981 that AIDS wouldn't become a pandemic? That the pandemic wouldn't happen because education was available and every precaution was being taken?
Even with education and precautions, AIDS has become a pandemic, despite what the WHO was stating all along. Why should Ebola be any different?
I can't tell you how many times I have flown on a plane healthy, and then deplane with a head cold or flu symptoms. Any place where people are stuffed into small quarters like sardines will be a breeding ground for anything transmissible. Classrooms and dormitories are famous for contagion. As are airplanes, buses, subways, taxi cabs, etc.
Stay calm, see what develops. Wait and see, stay smart and wise.
When I got my Biology degree, The Hot Zone book came out, and it will definitely twist your head around. A true story, by the way. A good read, just don't read it before bed...
I have worked in sterile labs and in sterile environments, and it is stunning the amount of medical personnel that have died due to Ebola. They took every precaution and STILL contracted Ebola and died...
Tough to acquire? Has to be through body fluids, right?
Well, suppose someone is sweating due to the fever, wipes their forehead, touches a door knob, gets into a car, sneezes and coughs a bunch, and then is finally dropped off at the hospital. What then? Wasn't it the WHO that stated in 1981 that AIDS wouldn't become a pandemic? That the pandemic wouldn't happen because education was available and every precaution was being taken?
Even with education and precautions, AIDS has become a pandemic, despite what the WHO was stating all along. Why should Ebola be any different?
I can't tell you how many times I have flown on a plane healthy, and then deplane with a head cold or flu symptoms. Any place where people are stuffed into small quarters like sardines will be a breeding ground for anything transmissible. Classrooms and dormitories are famous for contagion. As are airplanes, buses, subways, taxi cabs, etc.
Stay calm, see what develops. Wait and see, stay smart and wise.
I'm afraid it will be destructive. Not this particular move (i hope) but all those unchecked moves from African countries towards Europe or elsewhere. Even if it becomes 10-30% lethal (and i'm being overly optimistic here) in developed countries as opposed to 60-90% mortality in shit holes it still spells disaster (if its really as virulent as media would have us believe) just imagine your biggest city having up to 50% of population sick, instant crash of everything civilized and with state of our societies what do you think happens next... This will either be contained as many outbreaks before and we'll have time to fuck up our societies for a while longer (as global pandemic is only a question of time) with other means or we'll have a bio reset in a few weeks/months on a global scale.
I work in intensive care units as an rn.
I can only assume that the cdc feels it is a good opertunity to bring in these two sick individuals in hopes of research and a possible cure. I would hope the cdc feels like they have a pretty good handle on the situation before attempting it.
However, why the hell are you going to fly in the f-=-ng plague into a major metro area on a continent which this plague has never been to?
I'm sure that flying these mf ers was ok'd all the way up the chain of command through the president, and i believe everyone who ok'd it should be shot in the balls, then the next day executed.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for the study and implementation of care for the sick, but don't bring some f'd up super virulent pathogen 90 miles from my house when it naturally occurs across the fn ocean.
Lastly If you're a volunteer do gooder and go out side of the border to help what ever the latest greatest super cause is , and you become ill, killed, kidnapped, raped, whatever, thats really too bad, and i'm sorry, but you asked for. On the contrary there are many many good causes here for the volunteer to engage in and if any of the above happened i'd be all for getting them the help they needed.
It would have been better to take the research/care team to africa, however the above would still apply for the out of bounds do gooder.
I would have hoped for a publicity stunt the rescue plane would have picked up the patients and then crashed, possibly in the Ukraine. (joke)
I can only assume that the cdc feels it is a good opertunity to bring in these two sick individuals in hopes of research and a possible cure. I would hope the cdc feels like they have a pretty good handle on the situation before attempting it.
However, why the hell are you going to fly in the f-=-ng plague into a major metro area on a continent which this plague has never been to?
I'm sure that flying these mf ers was ok'd all the way up the chain of command through the president, and i believe everyone who ok'd it should be shot in the balls, then the next day executed.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for the study and implementation of care for the sick, but don't bring some f'd up super virulent pathogen 90 miles from my house when it naturally occurs across the fn ocean.
Lastly If you're a volunteer do gooder and go out side of the border to help what ever the latest greatest super cause is , and you become ill, killed, kidnapped, raped, whatever, thats really too bad, and i'm sorry, but you asked for. On the contrary there are many many good causes here for the volunteer to engage in and if any of the above happened i'd be all for getting them the help they needed.
It would have been better to take the research/care team to africa, however the above would still apply for the out of bounds do gooder.
I would have hoped for a publicity stunt the rescue plane would have picked up the patients and then crashed, possibly in the Ukraine. (joke)
I agree with KYPatriot, there's big problems (and diseases maybe including ebola) walking right across our border now. But there has to be some military infectious lab somewhere one would think that would be better to treat these people instead of a major city. Again though, the shit on the border needs to be stopped now or you ain't seen nothing yet!
There are only a dozen operational facilities in the United States equipped to handle the Ebola virus and two of them are located in Atlanta. Still, I'm not sure bringing the infected to a major metro area, with a climate that shares similarities with the tropical climate where the virus is known to thrive, is such a good idea...
There's nothing they can do for them to treat them at this late stage. this thing has changed, adapted or morphed I think. They are bringing them back here to sequence the virus strain and find out what has happened. That's my .02
the road to hell is paved with good intentions. If you think for one minute there is no chance of something going wrong you apparently haven't followed our government agencies track record. Anyone just read a story very recently where some deadly virus specimens were found unaccounted for?
http://m.medicaldaily.com/smallpox-...d-abandoned-fda-storage-room-alive-cdc-292686
the road to hell is paved with good intentions. If you think for one minute there is no chance of something going wrong you apparently haven't followed our government agencies track record. Anyone just read a story very recently where some deadly virus specimens were found unaccounted for?
http://m.medicaldaily.com/smallpox-...d-abandoned-fda-storage-room-alive-cdc-292686
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They went knowing what could happen over there, leave them there. No good reason to bring them stateside
This is exactly how I would transport one of the most deadly virus infected people ever....yep I would stop at traffic lights and have no police escort. I would also make sure to break every protocol of every medical transport company out there and let the "patient" who's been infected with one of the deadliest viruses ever and into his second week with it and should be bleeding out and turning to jelly internally, walk out of an ambulance across the fucking ground and into the hospital under their own power? Any one buying this and need a bitch slap?
Breaking News : American Ebola Patient arrives at Emory University in Atlanta Georgia (Aug 02, 2014) - YouTube
Breaking News : American Ebola Patient arrives at Emory University in Atlanta Georgia (Aug 02, 2014) - YouTube
I am stunned at the monumental stupidity involved in the decisions made in allowing this to happen. Auto accidents never happen do they? A few well meaning people at the accident site and then what? Spread it to here by accident and now not only do people drop dead, but can it survive in our own wildlife as it does in Africa? Many people should lose their jobs over this. It is highly noble to volunteer to go to a hotspot of disease to assist at risk of your own life. HOWEVER, I believe part of that covenant is that you agree not to frikin' bring that hell back to your own country to try to save your own neck if you draw a bad card.
Potential catastrophe on so many levels. 90% mortality rate in Third World shitholes, and I doubt that if it gets going here we'll be able to stop, cure, or quarantine it. Oh sure, the first reported victims will get first-rate care, but the unreported ones? Once this disease gets a grip, the0re won't be any first-rate care, because the caregivers will all be dead, and our infrastucture collapsed.
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this has nothing to do with humanity.... it has to do with the CDC and military trying to break the code on ebola and develop the next generation germ warfare weapon. my beliefs do not require you to believe.
Agreed here on many levels, but several problems are entailed with "first-rate care".
The care for Ebola victims mostly entails keeping fluids in them and monitoring their temperature. There is virtually nothing else that can be done. Oh, the "administered fluids"? Yep, Gatorade. Check out the videos on YouTube. Virtually all the doctors over in Africa are giving pain medication and fluffing up pillows to make the patient comfortable. We can't really do much better here, save for colder rooms to fight a high fever.
And a cure? Forget it. Not happening. The virus has mutated several time since it's discovery, the protein produced by the viral RNA is totally different from each outbreak. We will have the same luck with Ebola that we have had with curing AIDS. Maybe slow it down, but cure it? Lotsa luck.
The timing of this outbreak is interesting as well. A good number of outbreaks (bubonic plague, HIV, malaria, etc.) also take "three swings before they are out". In other words, each outbreak will be small at first and then die out or die down. People will be like "what the hell was that"? The second time the outbreak will be larger but die out and disappear for years, decades even. Then the third time the virus will have, for lack of better terminology, figured out our defenses, and really cut loose.
I really hope containment works, but this outbreak seems different and I'm not optimistic.
So how long is this guy or to be isolated? If he doesn't die when is he declared cured? Months, weeks maybe years?
I agree there was some back room deal done to bring this crap on our soil. You could not drag me onto the plane that brought them back. A lot of down side with not much in the positive. I wonder what the Vegas odds are.
I agree there was some back room deal done to bring this crap on our soil. You could not drag me onto the plane that brought them back. A lot of down side with not much in the positive. I wonder what the Vegas odds are.
I think you guys are missing the point on this patient...if this thing is truly going to be a global pandemic as some of you suggest, then with our worldwide travel and complete lack of control of any of our borders it will be here soon anyway. Ten thousand ebola carriers could walk over the border tomorrow and we would do nothing about it. So, if they can get a jump start on learning about this virus now then they better do it because we have no chance whatsoever of preventing this disease from entering the US if we cant even keep an unaccompanied 12 year old girl out. If it is a global pandemic just waiting to happen, its coming here no question about it. So I say they need to get started on it asap, no matter the odds of finding a cure. People thought smallpox and polio was unstoppable too, until they figured it out.
"They" already did it. As soon as first case was reported CDC was there (probably even on a first patient) and taking samples and moving them into US labs (read upon various strains which were grown exclusively in labs) for analysis. This is how it works, you think those Samaritan doctors are in Africa to help only no way hose most of them are there "on frontlines" to gather intel, granted they do help population but their primary mission is to gather new bugs to study. What they are doing is bringing "one of their own" home or something more nefarious (which i highly doubt since this particular disease is rather uncontrollable - unless they've already figured out a vaccine). Problem is we won't get decent news about it, scientific analysis of a virus will be confined in narrow circle and maybe released few years later, various conspiracy theories and wild speculation will be in abundance complemented with sensationalistic reporting by presstitutes.
My bet is it will start in Europe brought in by an immigrant landing either in Lampedusa Italy or driven by a car/lorry over Balkan route into Germany/France/UK. Incubation period is just long enough to have person travel to the core of Europe and spreading this poison to various people he/she comes into contact with without anyone noticing a thing
I see a whole lot of people freaking out like this is some kind of highly contagious flu-like virus, which it's nothing of the sort. The CDC know what they're doing, they aren't going to take unnecessary risks, and ebola isn't contagious the way so many here seem to be assuming, nor would it spread in the West anywhere close to the way it has in west Africa.
Ignorance will make you scared; a little education will make you prepared.
Ignorance will make you scared; a little education will make you prepared.
Just like how the CDC "misplaced" all the vials of smallpox and they were found in an abounded warehouse. Or like stated before the WHO said AIDS would never be a global pandemic issue. Sorry they've had their chances.
Yes I hope nothing happens but ever hear the phrase "shit happens" or Murphy's law?
Well written. At theis very moment yet again thousands of unchecked African illegals are stacked up in Calais waiting to come to the U.K.Same story along most of North Africa as they come accross unabated into all of the EU.
This MUST stop.
Ebola virus patients are being transported from west Africa to Atlanta
I never would have thought SnipersHide had so many virologists as members.
I'm uncomfortable with bringing two Ebola patients into the US as I generally think quarantine protocols should be complied with. That said, Emory and CDC are basically co-located and there's no better place in the world for somebody with this God-awful disease to get treatment, or for therapies for the disease to be practiced.
And anybody that thinks the care available in Sierra fucking Leone is the same as one could get in the USA, a few miles from CDC headquarters, is a fool.
Also, the red byline is rather applicable:
I never would have thought SnipersHide had so many virologists as members.
I'm uncomfortable with bringing two Ebola patients into the US as I generally think quarantine protocols should be complied with. That said, Emory and CDC are basically co-located and there's no better place in the world for somebody with this God-awful disease to get treatment, or for therapies for the disease to be practiced.
And anybody that thinks the care available in Sierra fucking Leone is the same as one could get in the USA, a few miles from CDC headquarters, is a fool.
Also, the red byline is rather applicable:
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Well we cant have immigration control so that pretty much eliminates that complimenting effort of QUARANTINE.
Odd, when I was growing up the Ellis Island operation and its practice of Quarantine were looked on as positives by the citizens as well as the immigrants. It was a vital necessity of the melting pot.
I guess now a days, when we no longer value the melting pot in favor of diversity and balkanization, the thought is these problems wont invade places like Georgetown or Beacon Hill.
Just issues for the little people to come to terms with.
Odd, when I was growing up the Ellis Island operation and its practice of Quarantine were looked on as positives by the citizens as well as the immigrants. It was a vital necessity of the melting pot.
I guess now a days, when we no longer value the melting pot in favor of diversity and balkanization, the thought is these problems wont invade places like Georgetown or Beacon Hill.
Just issues for the little people to come to terms with.
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I never would have thought SnipersHide had so many virologists as members.
I'm uncomfortable with bringing two Ebola patients into the US as I generally think quarantine protocols should be complied with. That said, Emory and CDC are basically co-located and there's no better place in the world for somebody with this God-awful disease to get treatment, or for therapies for the disease to be practiced.
And anybody that thinks the care available in Sierra fucking Leone is the same as one could get in the USA, a few miles from CDC headquarters, is a fool.
Also, the red byline is rather applicable:
If treatment was of such a concern for these two Americans why the fuck wouldn't you go get them in the critical first 24-48hrs of the onset of a contagion that generally kills within the second week or sooner? Not to mention are you telling me you either believe that they incredibly and carelessly transported this dude via ambulance across town with no escorts or traffic control and then let him walk in the open? That doesn't even pass the smell test for a retard. Now I am also to believe this weakened looking person getting out of that ambulance is a person who has had Ebola for almost 2 weeks? Sorry dude....I ain't buying it. It's either complete bullshit and they staged that for show and you never saw the actual patient due to security concerns which could be but why the show or this dude is long dead and they want to study just wtf happened. I don't need to be a virologist to have common fucking sense
Contrary to the internet, Ebola doesn't kill instantly.
These two patients started showing symptoms (starts with fever) and immediately started receiving treatment on site and likely got the very best care available in a far less than ideal environment, with resources not available to the average infected third world citizen. It took time for the air evac to get organized and approved, and even then it was a 40 hour round trip from ATL to West Africa. Frankly, the patient walking into the hospital under his own power is a great sign, not to say he won't succumb to the virus but that he hasn't deteriorated yet and every day that passes without a turn for the worse is a day closer to survival.
Forgive me, but I in no way believe in this modern age of smartphones and interwebs that the "patient" we saw was some sort of stupidly expensive ruse for public appearances - that's some pure Alex Jones nonsense right there.
As for "no escort" to the hospital:
The three vehicles behind the ambulance were associated with it, and I'm certain I've seen video of a white Tahoe/Suburban in front of it. I suppose you would have preferred a POTUS-style motorcade with no other traffic?
I think I remember the protocol from my Army NBC class was to isolate immediately. They should nt have been bought into the country.
Actually Zaire strain was already airborne and was able to infect monkeys from pigs in testing environment via air particles. I haven't found anything credible regarding this latest version but i'm guessing that due to the amount of people infected (the most from any previous outbreak) the probability that its fully air transmittable is high. But i guess time will tell it always is ok in the end until once (and once is plenty enough) it isn't we just seem to be constantly poking sleeping giant some of us are questioning such behavior and some are laughing at us and poking with even more vigor.
Just one of these days giant just might wake up, we'll see who panics then and tries to hide his poking stick or shove it to other person...
Just one of these days giant just might wake up, we'll see who panics then and tries to hide his poking stick or shove it to other person...
There are some bright folks here, so by all means correct me, but this has been an ancillary area of interest for me for quite some time:
My understanding is that Hunta, Ebola, and Marburg have the potential to be world-killers. I further understand that each of these has mutated/morphed over the course of outbreaks, and at least some if not all of them are capable of trans-species transmission and there was suspicion several years ago that at least Marburg (one strain at least) had gone airborne but I don't know that it was ever confirmed.
One of the reasons that there has not been the cataclysmic outbreak yet is that these diseases typically "reside" in areas of incredible poverty and non-existent infrastructure so that the people most likely to contract them tend to die very close to home and aren't likely to engage in long-distance or international travel.
These super-pathogens have been studied by U.S. researchers for quite some time, and no cure, or even reasonable hope for a cure currently exists.
The CDC has proven, very recently, that their procedures fucking SUCK. Anthrax is a spore, not a virus. It is exponentially larger than a virus and is therefore easier to contain, yet they exposed over 80 people to it through a procedural mixup. Imagine 80 people "accidentally" exposed to Ebola, who were free to go home, on vacation, to sporting events, etc. Anthrax relies on direct exposure, it's not contagious in the sense that a hemorrhagic pathogen is.
We have just done the hardest part for this virus by bringing 2 living hosts to the U.S., on purpose.
I just don't see the benefit on the "cost/benefitf" or "risk/reward" tally sheet for this one. The closest parallel I can draw to my own experience is doing counter-IED work. We didn't go hunting IEDs that weren't in our way; if we found them in the course of getting where we needed to go then we dealt with them, but we didn't go out of our way to fuck with them. That was "petting the burning dog" and we were doing the hardest part of the IED emplacers job for them. If they could put an IED anywhere and get us to go fuck with it, then they held all the cards. Bringing this to the U.S. on purpose seems akin to the same thing to me.
My understanding is that Hunta, Ebola, and Marburg have the potential to be world-killers. I further understand that each of these has mutated/morphed over the course of outbreaks, and at least some if not all of them are capable of trans-species transmission and there was suspicion several years ago that at least Marburg (one strain at least) had gone airborne but I don't know that it was ever confirmed.
One of the reasons that there has not been the cataclysmic outbreak yet is that these diseases typically "reside" in areas of incredible poverty and non-existent infrastructure so that the people most likely to contract them tend to die very close to home and aren't likely to engage in long-distance or international travel.
These super-pathogens have been studied by U.S. researchers for quite some time, and no cure, or even reasonable hope for a cure currently exists.
The CDC has proven, very recently, that their procedures fucking SUCK. Anthrax is a spore, not a virus. It is exponentially larger than a virus and is therefore easier to contain, yet they exposed over 80 people to it through a procedural mixup. Imagine 80 people "accidentally" exposed to Ebola, who were free to go home, on vacation, to sporting events, etc. Anthrax relies on direct exposure, it's not contagious in the sense that a hemorrhagic pathogen is.
We have just done the hardest part for this virus by bringing 2 living hosts to the U.S., on purpose.
I just don't see the benefit on the "cost/benefitf" or "risk/reward" tally sheet for this one. The closest parallel I can draw to my own experience is doing counter-IED work. We didn't go hunting IEDs that weren't in our way; if we found them in the course of getting where we needed to go then we dealt with them, but we didn't go out of our way to fuck with them. That was "petting the burning dog" and we were doing the hardest part of the IED emplacers job for them. If they could put an IED anywhere and get us to go fuck with it, then they held all the cards. Bringing this to the U.S. on purpose seems akin to the same thing to me.
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Also in addition to BB's questions, if one of you guys smart on this could comment on lethality...is this virus too lethal to ho worldwide? It seems that it is so lethal that it kills before the victim has a chance to spread it much. Does this limit the virus?
It has in the past, as the very rural areas that have seen outbreaks have been isolated from population centers and mass international transit (ie. airports).
The American citizen that died in Lagos, Nigeria of Ebola last week was a few days and one flight away from returning to the US. Had his symptoms been delayed by 5-6 days, the picture would look MUCH different.
Boiler you can say whatever you want. The fact is someone on foot walking into a hospital infected with a virus like Ebola breaks about every protocol out there. If you can't see that alone I don't know what to tell you.
No shit it doesn't kill instantly. What part of the fact he has had for nearly two weeks had been lost on you?
I'm not gonna argue what I saw for protection and escort. Apparently it's not the same you seen through your rose colored glasses. I am not a truther or an Alex jones guy but what I see here don't add up.
No shit it doesn't kill instantly. What part of the fact he has had for nearly two weeks had been lost on you?
I'm not gonna argue what I saw for protection and escort. Apparently it's not the same you seen through your rose colored glasses. I am not a truther or an Alex jones guy but what I see here don't add up.
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In fact it does limit the virus. However, the problem then lies in the handling of the bodies by medical personnel or in the case of the poorer countries, the immediate families. Therein lies the rub, as the family members touch the body to say goodbye to their loved one, and then in fact spread it faster. Right now there are newspapers in Liberia and Sierra Leone that are ordering remote villages to immediately burn the bodies of Ebola victims, which in a lot of cases goes counter to their culture of burial and a funeral. And in some cases, people are illiterate and distrusting of outsiders and won't obey the orders to burn the bodies. A good number of Ebola cases have most likely gone unreported in these remote areas. The current death toll is much likely far higher than 700.
I want to say that in the Congo in the late 60's there was a virus from the jungle that wiped out an entire village in a week, then burned out, and to this day no one knows what it was, no trace. Hundreds of people died, and to this day no one goes there out of fear it could happen to them. It was said to make Ebola look like a head cold, and some virologists are worried that this could come back, but apparently burned itself out quickly, thankfully.
All i know about it is from the net and being interested in it. As far as i understand its a compromise between lethality, transferability and incubation period that makes certain bug "global killer" or just a sneeze in the wind (pun intended). Usually most lethal bugs have either poor transferability or short incubation period (aka kill host before he can infect others hence bug itself dies out as it runs out of hosts) which limits their body count. Just once in a while a perfect compromise is made and bug becomes either very transferable or its incubation period is long (AIDS for example where acute phase may even never appear) while still being lethal. Spanish influenza for example was said to be rather low in mortality rate (well below 10 percent) but it killed persons with strongest immune system (young healthy adults) as basically immune system killed you with its violent response to infection. Without having real data on it everything is just a speculation. One can only assume few things based on observed data (mortality 60-90% for shitholes BUT with small amount of pacients which DO GET some care, airborne assuming yes and incubation period of ~8days):
- it is possible for a host to come to civilization and infect others undetected, maybe remote chance but perhaps it can be tagged from person to person (original to Algeria where it infects few other who embark on a trip to Italy where they land before original get discovered/sick)
-if its airborne its uncontainable once on the loose in any densely packed city (just look at simple flu)
-even IF (and there is no such font on SH to make this IF) mortality rate drops to 5% you can have at any given moment substantial % of population sick and there are no resources to handle that (and i'm not talking just medically, who will police, who will deliver foodstuffs our society is very complex and dependent on a lot of services)
Key point i think is how virulent (transferability) it has become and based on the fact that experienced doctors became infected i'm very afraid that it's so virulent as it obviously surprised few more knowledgeable people than me (unless accident was cause of infection). But then again perhaps thats just panic talk - i hope so.
- it is possible for a host to come to civilization and infect others undetected, maybe remote chance but perhaps it can be tagged from person to person (original to Algeria where it infects few other who embark on a trip to Italy where they land before original get discovered/sick)
-if its airborne its uncontainable once on the loose in any densely packed city (just look at simple flu)
-even IF (and there is no such font on SH to make this IF) mortality rate drops to 5% you can have at any given moment substantial % of population sick and there are no resources to handle that (and i'm not talking just medically, who will police, who will deliver foodstuffs our society is very complex and dependent on a lot of services)
Key point i think is how virulent (transferability) it has become and based on the fact that experienced doctors became infected i'm very afraid that it's so virulent as it obviously surprised few more knowledgeable people than me (unless accident was cause of infection). But then again perhaps thats just panic talk - i hope so.
If you go back to my original post, you'd see I agree with you about that.
The fact he has lived two weeks with symptoms is a sign that the care and treatment has has received so far is helping. Will it "save" him - only God knows.
Rose colored lenses? That's cute.
You said there was no escort, I posted a picture that showed at least 3 vehicles traveling with the ambulance. Perhaps that doesn't meet your definition of "escort" and if so that's a completely reasonable point to disagree about, but its not like the ambulance was simply out for a joyride around Atlanta.
The fact of the matter is SnipersHide in fact does NOT have a bunch of members that are infectious disease experts, biologists or virologists and yeah, despite the recent stupidity with anthrax and smallpox I do in fact trust the professionals at the Centers for Disease Control and Emory with a patient infected with a Biosafety Level 4 pathogen (even though I agree, bringing him and the other lady into the US seems like a very bad idea) over what a bunch of "gun guys" on the internet think they know.
But I'm no expert, I simply drive airplanes...so YMMV.
I'm gonna jump in as the looney here and bring some comedic relief: coincidence that they're going to Atlanta, where a major outbreak of zombies happened and the CDC failed? It's the end of the world!!!!! Ebola is going to magically mutate into a zombie virus and kill us all!!!!
No, in all seriousness it wasn't the smartest thing that they could have done. I agree that they needed better medical attention than they could have received over there, but that doesn't mean that we should bring them over here to a highly populated metropolitan area. The CDC as well as the WHO could have sent researchers over there, as from what I understand (and has been stated before) there is no known "cure" for Ebola. So why risk bringing them over purely for research? I refuse to believe that they couldn't collect the data and samples they needed and brought them back. That may sound callus and heartless, but Ebola isn't to be fucked around with. Additionally, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Ebola, in some case, have a 21 day incubation period? People who were exposed to it but showed no signs or didn't test positive in an initial screening could be outside any quarantine measures. Just being practical and calling it as I see/read it. I'm no virologist, so I have to take my information where I can get it and form my own conclusions.
No, in all seriousness it wasn't the smartest thing that they could have done. I agree that they needed better medical attention than they could have received over there, but that doesn't mean that we should bring them over here to a highly populated metropolitan area. The CDC as well as the WHO could have sent researchers over there, as from what I understand (and has been stated before) there is no known "cure" for Ebola. So why risk bringing them over purely for research? I refuse to believe that they couldn't collect the data and samples they needed and brought them back. That may sound callus and heartless, but Ebola isn't to be fucked around with. Additionally, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Ebola, in some case, have a 21 day incubation period? People who were exposed to it but showed no signs or didn't test positive in an initial screening could be outside any quarantine measures. Just being practical and calling it as I see/read it. I'm no virologist, so I have to take my information where I can get it and form my own conclusions.
I think these dr's were here days before this photo op happened. In there minds they knew there was no way to get them in without the media finding out. So why not do it in plain sight. I doubt the Dr' s are in Atlanta. They are probably some where like plumb island. And they were probably transported by the military under very high security. The potential danger here is probably more dangerious than a nuke. If this does reach our shores it won't be from Mexico. It will be on a plain from Africa or Europe by some one traveling under all the proper guidelines. I seriously doubt that any of these people in Africa have the funds to travel to Mexico and than sneak across the border. How much do you think that would cost. That's probably the stupidest thing that I have ever herd.
My fear is oblivious travelers going on safari or other adventures. And than thinking I'm I feel a little sick I'm going home early. That's where this problem will arise AIDS did not sneak across the Mexican border neither will Ebola
My fear is oblivious travelers going on safari or other adventures. And than thinking I'm I feel a little sick I'm going home early. That's where this problem will arise AIDS did not sneak across the Mexican border neither will Ebola
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AIDS was a pain in the ass long before it hit the mainstream population
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EBOLA doesnt seem to discriminate so selectively and that is probably part of the reason for the greater fear.
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EBOLA doesnt seem to discriminate so selectively and that is probably part of the reason for the greater fear.
What part of NO CURE and 60% mortality rate are you not grasping? Sorry I don't live 2k miles away from Atlanta like you. I'm right here in Florida. So he goes to the hospital and what, hope his body can keep fighting. This disease IS airborne. Did you not watch the same video as me where those rent-a-cops were roughly 30ft from the guy. How are we 100% positive there weren't any holes in that suit he was wearing. Are these risks we as a country should have taken for 2 dumbass volunteers. Who knew what they were getting into. Their decision should NOT impact my family's or my life.
THE NEEDS OF A FEW NEVER OUTWEIGH THE NEEDS OF MANY..........
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Not exactly the point behind the founding of this country.
I may agree with you to a point but lets not go to far with this train of thought.
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