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Join the contest SubscribeI agree, he probably shouldn’t waste his time arguing with people who reject the concept of “book learning.”And you’re still arguing about something using only book learning and a fixation on statistics instead of actually shooting and learning just an itsy-bitsy little bit about what the hell you’re talking about.
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I'm not arguing, I'm trying to get you to see that you haven't thought about this subject at all.And you’re still arguing about something using only book learning and a fixation on statistics instead of actually shooting and learning just an itsy-bitsy little bit about what the hell you’re talking about.
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Absurd exaggeration & rhetoric are the hallmarks of defiance in the face of defeat.Start putting rounds down range and keep good notes. You’ll see the patterns. A cheap and easy way is 22lr. 5,000 rounds for $1000-1500 and you’ve got a lot of knowledge on those boxes if you pay attention
I gotta know!So you know what you're looking for as opposed to an unbiased expectation with an appropriate understanding of how sample number represents changes in results.
Where’s the exaggeration or rhetoric? Are you unable to find good match ammo? Or shoot it? Or just unable to draw a conclusion?Absurd exaggeration & rhetoric are the hallmarks of defiance in the face of defeat.
So is my information wrong or, do you take offense at me saying that you're wrong?I gotta know!
Why do you care?
Is it your ego that makes you engage in these threads and argue? If someone screws a tuner on and shrinks groups you pop up and “ah bull shit”! Was you there? if the fucking groups shrink for the guy you should be happy for them. Why the fuck do you want to argue with them about it? Everyone here has heard your response and they don’t care. They are still buying tuners. You act like fuckin orkan and think you’re preaching gospel but no one is listening.
Well egostroker, everyone offers up proof but you. That’s your problem. You’re trying to make people believe your rebuttal is the gospel by only offering a hypothesis. You don’t show anything but your ass.So is my information wrong or, do you take offense at me saying that you're wrong?
Is it really so outrageous & selfish of myself & others on this thread to expect correct & reliable answers to pertinent questions?
The alternative that you are suggesting by the definition of your complaint is basically that anyone can make any claim they like with no basis in reality so long as that person has others who agree with his claims.
If that situation were to flourish, this site would be essentially useless to those wanting to find facts about shooting & firearms. Is that what you want?
Well, you would be wrong. How could we not have thought about it if we’ve bothered reading this thread? In believe you have posted exactly the same argument already in this thread alone roughly 100 times.I'm not arguing, I'm trying to get you to see that you haven't thought about this subject at all.
If by "fixation" you mean that I comprehend that statistics is the "ONLY" method of objective evaluation as opposed to your subjective predisposition & inevitable baseless assumptions then, I must be fixated.
So there's that.......
On the same note, if all you're interested in is subjective information then you're better off looking at advertising or listening to the manufacturers. You'll get all the subjective analysis you can take.Well egostroker, everyone offers up proof but you. That’s your problem. You’re trying to make people believe your rebuttal is the gospel by only offering a hypothesis. You don’t show anything but your ass.
You so conceited, you can’t even just quietly go away.
You can’t stand it can you?
Actual objective information for me would contain hard proof. You’re the weatherman telling me the sun is shining while I’m standing in the rain.On the same note, if all you're interested in is subjective information then you're better off looking at advertising or listening to the manufacturers. You'll get all the subjective analysis you can take.
If you want objective information, you'll need to take an entirely different approach.
Actual objective information for me would contain hard proof. You’re the weatherman telling me the sun is shining while I’m standing in the rain.
None of which is supplied by the tuner advocates hence the ridiculous arguments.Actual objective information for me would contain hard proof.
Again, why do you care?None of which is supplied by the tuner advocates hence the ridiculous arguments.
Oh don't be obtuse Lash, you know as well as I do that 2 samples per setting signifies virtually nothing from a statistical stand point.Well, you would be wrong. How could we not have thought about it if we’ve bothered reading this thread? In believe you have posted exactly the same argument already in this thread alone roughly 100 times.
Contrary to your simplified exaggeration of us as ignorant people who have no knowledge about not care about statistics, I spent a good part of my career showing people who inaccurately use statistics how to apply them while building auto parts. Many of them also didn’t understand the application of the pure theories they learned in college.
What we all know by now, is that you and a couple of your most avid fans would rather think of anyone not following your credo as simple folk who don’t know nuttin’.
On the other hand, I’ve been trying to get you to see that actual application of shooting principles and repetition of practice does build a body of knowledge. However, you continue to choose to completely ignore that, so there’s no helping you.
If you would climb down from your ivory tower for a bit and do as Geno suggested (a very practical suggestion I would add), you might actually learn something and then would not have to find another 100 ways to say the same thing that you keep saying until people stop posting out of sheer frustration with your inability to see anything unless it parrots exactly what you said.
I didn’t post on here for a month or two for that reason and shame on me for being stupid enough to do so again. You’d think I’d would learn that some people don’t actually shoot. They just argue on Gun forums.
So why do you care that myself & others disagree with the testing methodology used to support your claims?Again, why do you care?
Most guys are happy with the results, even some award winning shooters.
The most ridiculous argument is you telling guys what they’re seeing isn’t what they’re seeing.
This is true, but then how often is this really a necessary requirement to perform well? At the simplest level, we ask children to perform math functions like addition, subtraction, division and multiplication. We tell them that zero exists and that adding or subtracting it doesn’t do anything and that multiplying by zero equals zero?Food for thought.
Regardless of whatever side of a debate you’re on no matter what the topic:
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What’s hilarious is that you don’t see how this cartoon supports barrelstroker’s side of the argument and undermines yours.
The expert wasn’t wrong.Food for thought.
Regardless of whatever side of a debate you’re on no matter what the topic:
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No, he may not have been wrong but, he certainly didn't show a passion for his chosen profession.The expert wasn’t wrong.
The expert wasn’t wrong.
What’s actually hilarious is that you’re wrapped so tight that you don’t see that I am trolling you the same way that you statistidiots are this thread. You really have no idea and thanks for your contribution to a thread that went off the rails months ago. You keep being you, you’re special and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.What’s hilarious is that you thread that went off the rails don’t see how this cartoon supports barrelstroker’s side of the argument and undermines yours.
Doing something because you know it works, not needing to know how it works, isn’t a bad idea. Condemning something that you have no idea how it works, is a dumbass idea though.He absolutely had no idea how the system worked. That’s the point.
No matter which side of a debate someone is on “so and so uses/does it and they are at the top” is in and of itself not a valid point.