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[lariat]

What are you guys using that is generating results?

 

[CraigT]

So far replacing my knee has had the best results. OK seriously turmeric and ginger are what I have found to work best for me for joint pain and inflammation.

 

[_Windrider_]

Glucosamine helps tremendously. I take this daily. I can tell when I forget.

JOCKO JOINT WARFARE

Joint Warfare is a healthy inflammatory response supporting supplement that helps alleviate joint pain, reduce joint inflammation, fight age and wear issues, promote joint mobility and flexibility, and keep your joints in top condition. Strengthen and support your joints for added mobility and...

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[BAMAboy18]

I have endomician for gout that's a pretty good anti-inflammatory, but rough on some people's stomach. I take quite a bit of magnesium, at least 1 a day, more if I'm having pain, sometimes 5-6 a day.

 

[supercorndogs]

Glucosamine helps tremendously. I take this daily. I can tell when I forget.

JOCKO JOINT WARFARE

Joint Warfare is a healthy inflammatory response supporting supplement that helps alleviate joint pain, reduce joint inflammation, fight age and wear issues, promote joint mobility and flexibility, and keep your joints in top condition. Strengthen and support your joints for added mobility and...

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My parents swear by this.

 

[Choid]

Deca. Not exactly standard treatment, but nothing works better. Get it from a Dr.

If you are overweight, lose weight. Nothing is harder on the joints than extra pounds. Other than that, anything anti inflammatory is OK. Turmeric is very good.

 

[Noob Sammich]

Pycnogenol (from Solgar)

Had a bicep tendon tear, and this helped me bounce back fast.

 

[_Windrider_]

I have endomician for gout that's a pretty good anti-inflammatory, but rough on some people's stomach. I take quite a bit of magnesium, at least 1 a day, more if I'm having pain, sometimes 5-6 a day.

Also bad if you have high blood pressure

 

[1moaoff]

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Small children processed into very comfortable chairs can also be so comfortable because they are so soft that they can soothe your body.

I get my chairs made from the skin of children from a friend in Dubai. He uses only babies that never have had a cry in their short life to make the best chairs imaginable.

 

[Steel head]

Glucosamine helps tremendously. I take this daily. I can tell when I forget.

JOCKO JOINT WARFARE

Joint Warfare is a healthy inflammatory response supporting supplement that helps alleviate joint pain, reduce joint inflammation, fight age and wear issues, promote joint mobility and flexibility, and keep your joints in top condition. Strengthen and support your joints for added mobility and...

originmaine.com

It has definitely helped me.

 

[Simonsza1]

Tart cherry is good also cbd is a great anti inflammatory

 

[OREGUN]

You can supplement your joints with PCP, Cocaine, Heroin, Meth. Just depends on what you are looking for.

 

[TXAZ]

It has definitely helped me.

And me. I was on it and eliminated knee pain then quit. 4-6 weeks later the “discomfort “ was back. Took another 6 weeks to get back to painless, no plans to stop.

 

[XTREM HTR16]

everyday:
2 Neocell collagen tablets
2 omega Juiceplus tablets
2 visivite balanced tablets
1 3mg boron tablet - knee pain
1 tadalafil 5 mg tablet

 

[akmike47]

I'm gonna have to get one one of yalls regiments. I have terrible inflammation in most of my joints on top of injuries and I'm young.

Hips and knees are already bad and every joint in my body pops and cracks like nothing you've heard.

Trying to keep from having to use a chair in the future.

I'll have to look into some of this stuff myself.

 

[Bullfrog08]

Ibuprofen.....

 

[akmike47]

Ibuprofen.....

Doesn't even touch my pain

 

[Maxduty]

Read the labels. If it doesn't say it's approved by the FDA, it's not going to make a difference. If it did, they would have bothered with clinical testing and FDA approval.

 

[Steel head]

Doesn't even touch my pain

Same.
Not only that but my knee seems a good bit less apt to slip out now.
It also helped my elbows and shoulder.

 

[Laser1]

On utube, Dr. Eric Berg has a group of short videos that address's these issues. My wife is studying to be a Holistic Health Practitioner and he teaches what she is studying. His videos are short and tackle individual problems. She has me on turmeric and bosweilla (sp?). Magnesium is super important also.

 

[Smitty192]

Deca. Not exactly standard treatment, but nothing works better. Get it from a Dr.

If you are overweight, lose weight. Nothing is harder on the joints than extra pounds. Other than that, anything anti inflammatory is OK. Turmeric is very good.

I just finished a round of NPP. First time in a long time that nothing hurt when I moved.

 

[Jim Out]

On utube, Dr. Eric Berg has a group of short videos that address's these issues. My wife is studying to be a Holistic Health Practitioner and he teaches what she is studying. His videos are short and tackle individual problems. She has me on turmeric and bosweilla (sp?). Magnesium is super important also.

I apologise for being the guy who rains on the parade, but research is sort of all I do for everything and this came up on page one:

Disciplinary Action against Eric Berg, D.C. | Quackwatch

Eric Berg, D.C. operates The Health and Wellness Center in Alexandria, Virginia, has been reprimanded, fined $1,500, and ordered to stop using and promoting ...

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FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW​

The Board adopts the following findings of fact and conclusions of law in this matter:

1. Dr. Berg was issued license number 0104-001851 by the Board to practice chiropractic in the Commonwealth of Virginia on October 1, 1997. Said license will expire on March 31, 2008, unless renewed or otherwise restricted.
2. From approximately 2000 to 2006, during the course of Dr. Berg’s chiropractic practice at The Health and Wellness Center, Alexandria, Virginia:

a. Dr. Berg violated former Section 54.1-2915.A(4) of the Code [as it existed prior to its amendment in 2003] and Section 54.1-2915.A(1) and (4) of the Code [formerly Section 54.12915.A(1) and (5)] for conduct in the practice prior to July 1, 2003; Section 54.1-2915.A(3) of the Code [formerly Section 54.1-2915.A(4) as amended in 2003] for conduct in the practice from July 1, 2003; Section 54.1-2915.A(13) of the Code [formerly Section 54.1-2914.A(8)]; and Section 54.1-2915.A(16) of the Code [formerly Section 54.1-2914.A(11)], in that, he utilized, in the care, diagnosis, assessment, and treatment of his patients, including Patients A-H, the following techniques, which are outside the scope of the practice of chiropractic; do not constitute acceptable standards of chiropractic care; and have no reasonable scientific or medical research, investigation, study, or data to support their efficacy or therapeutic benefit:

i. The Body Restoration Technique (“BRT”), a procedure whereby vials of distilled water containing homeopathic imprints are held over certain designated body organs or parts while the practitioner applies tactile pressure through tapping or rubbing acupressure points, allegedly to assist in restoring hormone balance and to address other symptoms;
ii. Nambudripad’s Allergy Elimination Technique (“NAET”), a technique that uses pressure points in certain locations of the body allegedly to improve food allergies and environmental and chemical sensitivities;
iii. Contact Reflex Analysis (“CRA”), an alleged nutritional analysis that relies on muscle testing and acupuncture points; and
iv. Acoustic Cardiograph (” ACG”), an alleged nutritional evaluation based on heart sounds recorded and visualized on a graph.

b. Dr. Berg violated former Section 54.1-2915.A(4) of the Code [as it existed prior to its amendment in 2003] for conduct in the practice prior to July 1, 2003; Section 54.1-2915.A(3) of the Code [formerly Section 54.1-2915.A(4) as amended in 2003] for conduct in the practice from July 1, 2003; Section 54.1-2915.A(13) of the Code [formerly Section 54.1-2914.A(8)]; and Section 54.1-2915.A(16) of the Code [formerly Section 54.1-2914.A(1l)], in that, contrary to acceptable standards of care:

i. His medical records for Patients A, C, D, F, G, H, and Z do not have signed consent forms for treatment.
ii. At their initial and! or subsequent visits, Dr. Berg failed to take adequate medical histories of Patients A-D, G, and H and failed to perform adequate physical examinations of Patients A-H.
iii. Dr. Berg did not properly manage patient records or maintain adequate, legible, and complete records for patients A-H. These records often lacked a description of patient complaints and symptoms, diagnosis, assessment, physical findings, treatment plan, description of treatment or services provided, and progress notes. In some instances, the records of office visits contain little or no information beyond the patient’s name.
iv. Dr. Berg was unable to locate and provide the records for three (3) patients requested by a Department of Health Professions’ (“DHP”) Investigator on or about August, 2004.

c. Dr. Berg violated Section 54.1-2915.A(1) of the Code; Section 54.1-2915.A(12), (15), (16) , and (18) of the Code [formerly Section 54.1-2914.A(7), (10), (11), and (13)]; Section 54.12403 of the Code; and 18 VAC 85-20-30.E [as adopted in 1998 and as amended through 2005] of the Board’s Regulations, in that, on multiple occasions in various media, including newspapers and magazines, flyers and brochures, correspondence with patients or prospective patients, and his website, he published or caused to be published advertisements or made or caused to be made statements and representations that were expressly or implicitly false, misleading and! or deceptive. Specifically:

i. Despite the lack of reasonable scientific or medical evidence to support the efficacy or therapeutic benefit of BRT or NAET, Dr. Berg repeatedly advertised or represented to patients and the public, either implicitly or expressly, that BRT and! or NAET were techniques that could be used to prevent, alleviate, diagnose, assess, treat, or otherwise ameliorate a variety of conditions and symptoms, to include, but not be limited to the following: allergies, thyroid problems, infertility, depression, migraines, fibromyalgia, PMS, blood sugar problems, arthritis, sciatica, prostate problems, skin-related symptoms, heart beat problems, stubborn metabolism, as stated in the following:

I. Letter to Patient Z dated June 21, 2002;
II. Marketing advertisement in the October 2002 edition of Dynamic Chiropractic, entitled “Learn the Body Restoration Technique;”
III. Marketing advertisement in the August 14, 2005 edition of Dynamic Chiropractic, entitled “Get Faster & Longer Lasting Results with Tough Cases! Learn the Body Restoration Technique;”,
IV. Undated marketing advertisement to practitioners, entitled “Create HUGE effects in patient results BY RESTORING HORMONE BALANCE”,
V. As of December 2006, Dr. Berg’s website stated that “BRT gets Major Results With” a variety of medical conditions and symptoms, while also claiming that:

BRT is a specialized method of removing blockages originating from non-spine areas. It is a method of checking all the body’s pathways with an emphasis on the endocrine system’s acupressure-like points … If the right source is found and corrected results will be immediate, even within seconds after the correction.

ii. Volume 1, Issue 1 of a publication from The Health and Wellness Center, dated August 2002 and sent to Patient Z, included the following claims which are not supported by reasonable scientific or medical evidence:

I. “My observation and clinical testing found that this synthetic estrogen is the main causative factor in sluggish thyroid cases as well as prostate enlargement, fibroids, ovarian cysts, fibrocystic breasts, adrenal burnout and high blood pressure.” However, Dr. Berg did not provide the DHP investigator with the clinical tests referenced in the preceding statement, and there is no reasonable scientific or medical evidence that BRT ameliorates these conditions or that synthetic hormones are the main causative factor in the conditions listed.
II. “I would recommend a product called Cal Ma Plus for people who wanted to prevent osteoporosis.” However, the information sheet on Cal Ma Plus indicates that it is a supplement containing Bovine Parathyroid Gland, that it has not been evaluated by the Food & Drug Administration, and that it is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent illness.
III. “The Body Restoration Technique will help … strengthen the adrenals so they can do their job again … and when you improve that area, the adrenal bounce back and menopausal symptoms greatly improve.”
IV. A 5-year old boy with a rare blood disorder, Idiopathic Immune Thrombocytopenic Purpura (“IITP”), received muscle testing which revealed that “his body was reacting with the chicken pox vaccine”, and, after treatment with NAET, the boy’s platelets shot up, he was energetic, and he had no further bruising. Further, the story of a 47-year old woman suffering from sluggish thyroid is described. Testing revealed that “she was weak on mumps” and she was successfully treated with BRT. However, there is no reasonable scientific or medical evidence of a causal connection between chicken pox vaccine and IITP or between mumps and sluggish thyroid.

iii. In an undated flyer sent to Patient Z entitled “Long Time No See”, Dr. Berg stated that “Incidentally, one of the biggest known side effects of the mumps vaccine is diabetes (pancreas problem) …. ” However, there is no reasonable scientific or medical evidence supporting that claim.
iv. On numerous occasions, Dr. Berg used the designation “Dr.” without clarifying that he is a doctor of chiropractic, including in correspondence to Patient Z dated June 21, 2002, in October 2002 and August 2005 advertisements in Dynamic Chiropractic, and on his website. In addition, on Dr. Berg’s letterhead and other documents, in advertisements, and on his website, he repeatedly identified his practice as The Health and Wellness Center, without clarifying that it is a chiropractic practice. Further, in an undated flyer sent to Patient Z, entitled “Long Time No See”, Dr. Berg used the designation “Dr.” with respect to four individuals in his practice who are certified in BRT, without clarifying that these individuals are doctors of chiropractic.
v. Dr. Berg’s website claims that he developed BRT approximately 8 years ago. However, a letter from his counsel to the DHP investigator dated August 3, 2004, attributes his use of BRT to a continuing education seminar that he attended in 1998 entitled “Nambudripad Allergy Elimination Technique.”
vi. An undated promotional flyer advertising a marketing seminar for practitioners states that “t has been established that BRT gets an 84% success rate for most endocrine conditions.” However, there is no data to support the claim of an 84% success rate.
vii. An undated advertisement in The Washington Post, entitled “Are Hormones Making You Fat & Tired?”, offering a free seminar states that the seminar “is based on several medical textbooks including a book called Dr. Berg’s Body Shape Diets.” However, describing Dr. Berg’s book as a medical textbook is false and! or misleading in that there is no evidence that this book has undergone the level of scientific scrutiny necessary to be considered a physician level healthcare medical text, rather than a lay publication.

CONSENT​

I, Eric Berg, D.C., by affixing my signature hereto, acknowledge that:

1. I have been advised specifically to seek the advice of counsel prior to signing this docume

 

[Jim Out]

Read the labels. If it doesn't say it's approved by the FDA, it's not going to make a difference. If it did, they would have bothered with clinical testing and FDA approval.

The FDA also approved Hismanol, Seldane......

........and the ChiComFlu shit.....

Just saying.

I'd like a little more medical consensus than just the FDA, we aren't the only civilized country with doctors, scientists and researchers.


We are the "test beagles" for the WuFlu and myocardial infarction is no joke.

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One of my concerns with the supplements is the possibility of contraindication for people with asthma and it's effect on eye pressure, as mentioned here by Mayo clinic:

Glucosamine

Learn about the different forms of glucosamine and how glucosamine sulfate is used to treat osteoarthritis.

www.mayoclinic.org

Safety and side effects

When taken in appropriate amounts, glucosamine sulfate appears to be safe. Oral use of glucosamine sulfate can cause:
Nausea
Heartburn
Diarrhea
Constipation

Other side effects may include:
Drowsiness
Skin reactions
Headache

Because glucosamine products might be derived from the shells of shellfish, there is concern that the supplement could cause an allergic reaction in people with shellfish allergies.

Glucosamine might worsen asthma.

There's some concern that glucosamine might raise eye pressure. If you have glaucoma, talk to your doctor before taking glucosamine supplements.

 

[Choid]

I just finished a round of NPP. First time in a long time that nothing hurt when I moved.

Again, lose excess weight and this. Hell, this will do a lot to help you lose excess body fat which is awful on your joints.

 

[supercorndogs]

Eric Berg

Eric Berg (c. 1972–)[1] is an American quack, antivaxxer, chiropractor, cholesterol denialist, conspiracy theorist, scientologist and ketogenic diet advocate. Berg promotes pseudoscientific health advice and quackery.[2][3] Berg is not a medical doctor.[4] Berg practiced chiropractic for 29...

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Its funny how ravenously they go after anyone who tells you your body can heal its self. Criticized for calling himself a Dr......even though he is a doctor. Antivaxer, boogie boogie chicken bone voodoo scientist.

I heard this fat cow at work one day say anyone who believes in holistic medicine is a fucking retard. I think what is retarded is not realizing your body heals better with proper diet and exercise. And to not recognize the many medicinal plants that have been used by humans for eons. And to ignore how eating natural foods effects your gut biome, and how that effects your immune system.

 

[vinniedelpino]

Deca. Not exactly standard treatment, but nothing works better. Get it from a Dr.

If you are overweight, lose weight. Nothing is harder on the joints than extra pounds. Other than that, anything anti inflammatory is OK. Turmeric is very good.

My friend ran deca for about 14 weeks many years ago and he agrees 100%. Nothing better for the joints.

That said, I'd take rusty joints over a limp noodle any day. Deca-dick is real.

 

[Skg_Mre_Lght]

Lose some ass. Fish oil and turmeric have me back to normal doing heavy squats and packing in the mountains after my ACL replacement, and meniscus repair.

Also, motion is lotion. Keep moving, that helps alot.

 

[_Windrider_]

Lose some ass. Fish oil and turmeric have me back to normal doing heavy squats and packing in the mountains after my ACL replacement, and meniscus repair.

Also, motion is lotion. Keep moving, that helps alot.

I’ve switched to krill oil. The fish oil never agreed with my stomach.

 

[Jim Out]

Pycnogenol (from Solgar)

Had a bicep tendon tear, and this helped me bounce back fast.

........this kind of underscores the appropriateness of 'off-label' uses for drugs.

Now about that bicep tear......were you advised to/not to switch hands to gain a stroke......


....sorry

https://www.verywellhealth.com › pycnogenol-what-should-i-know-about-it-89069
Pycnogenol has also been explored as a remedy for erectile dysfunction due to its effects on nitric oxide levels and blood flow. One study published in 2010 tested this using a combination of Pycnogenol and other ingredients (most commonly L-arginine).While the effects of Pycnogenol alone aren't known, the data is promising with 92.5% of study participants experiencing a normal erection after

 

[Skg_Mre_Lght]

I’ve switched to krill oil. The fish oil never agreed with my stomach.

Do you notice a difference? I've had friends that switched, and they like the Krill oil better for various reasons.

 

[Choid]

I switched and don't notice any difference, but I am going to stay with it.

 

[_Windrider_]

Do you notice a difference? I've had friends that switched, and they like the Krill oil better for various reasons.

I don’t get the burps

 

[Maxduty]

The FDA also approved Hismanol, Seldane......

........and the ChiComFlu shit.....

Just saying.

I'd like a little more medical consensus than just the FDA, we aren't the only civilized country with doctors, scientists and researchers.


We are the "test beagles" for the WuFlu and myocardial infarction is no joke.

Recalls, Market Withdrawals, & Safety Alerts

FDA and industry press releases regarding product recalls

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One of my concerns with the supplements is the possibility of contraindication for people with asthma and it's effect on eye pressure, as mentioned here by Mayo clinic:

Glucosamine

Learn about the different forms of glucosamine and how glucosamine sulfate is used to treat osteoarthritis.

www.mayoclinic.org

Safety and side effects

When taken in appropriate amounts, glucosamine sulfate appears to be safe. Oral use of glucosamine sulfate can cause:
Nausea
Heartburn
Diarrhea
Constipation

Other side effects may include:
Drowsiness
Skin reactions
Headache

Because glucosamine products might be derived from the shells of shellfish, there is concern that the supplement could cause an allergic reaction in people with shellfish allergies.

Glucosamine might worsen asthma.

There's some concern that glucosamine might raise eye pressure. If you have glaucoma, talk to your doctor before taking glucosamine supplements.

Maybe this is a little clearer then. If supplements actually worked, they'd be regulated by the FDA. Since they don't actually make any claims to do anything, they aren't.

 

[lariat]

Lose some ass. Fish oil and turmeric have me back to normal doing heavy squats and packing in the mountains after my ACL replacement, and meniscus repair.

Also, motion is lotion. Keep moving, that helps alot.

Me losing ass would put me back under 10% bf. That isn’t the issue and I work out frequently - probably too much, but that’s not negotiable. It’s the bang-ups and 7 joint surgeries from life’s mis-adventures. Shit (and time) happens to us all, it’s just something to deal with to keep rolling at a high rate.

Thanks guys for the info and the discussion.

 

[supercorndogs]

Lose some ass. Fish oil and turmeric have me back to normal doing heavy squats and packing in the mountains after my ACL replacement, and meniscus repair.

Also, motion is lotion. Keep moving, that helps alot.

Proper motion. Improper motion equals wear and tear, but is still not near as bad as being sedentary.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Find a good sports/ physical therapist. Explain to them your ailments.

Stretching, posture/alignment and proper movement combined with rehabilitative exercise goes a long way in healing joint, tendon, ligament, muscle pain.

A lot of issues can be traced back to improper alignment and improper movements. Often exacerbated by sever injuries. I have lower back pain compression injury from a big wave jumping jet ski accident, shoulder and rip pain from a 100 + mph motorcycle accident and same shoulder was re-injured snowboarding. All healed through exercise and physical therapy.

I feel I am more physically healthy now than I ever have been because of the knowledge gained from what these people have taught me.

 

[Choid]

Lose some ass. Fish oil and turmeric have me back to normal doing heavy squats and packing in the mountains after my ACL replacement, and meniscus repair.

Also, motion is lotion. Keep moving, that helps alot.

I am sure this post will come back to haunt me on here, but...

I've been a 5-550 lb squatter for a while now, two decades or so, and after about ten years I found that in order to save my knees I have to mix in a lot of vertical knee squatting, like box and belt squats, and to utilize things like SSBs to overload my trunk without killing my knees. Now, that isn't soul crushing weight, but it is enough to do damage, so my suggestion is that you might want to mix some of that stuff in so that you don't get in a bad spot in the future given your history.

 

[_Windrider_]

I am sure this post will come back to haunt me on here, but...

I've been a 5-550 lb squatter for a while now, two decades or so, and after about ten years I found that in order to save my knees I have to mix in a lot of vertical knee squatting, like box and belt squats, and to utilize things like SSBs to overload my trunk without killing my knees. Now, that isn't soul crushing weight, but it is enough to do damage, so my suggestion is that you might want to mix some of that stuff in so that you don't get in a bad spot in the future given your history.

Do you also work with concrete?

min all seriousness though I fucking hate squats. They are brutal on my knees. I do them but never so heavy I’m struggling.

 

[BytorJr]

1) What's NPP
2) I started buying KORI Krill Oil at costco (of course they stopped carrying it) and it's ok; but my joints didn't tell. I was doing it to increase HDL.
3) Turmeric helps more than glucosomine/chrondoitin for me, which never seemed to do anything. Helped my old doggie out for a year or so.

 

[Choid]

Do you also work with concrete?

min all seriousness though I fucking hate squats. They are brutal on my knees. I do them but never so heavy I’m struggling.

If I worked in concrete I would need a personal demo team to follow me around removing all my work.
Honestly try box squats. Your shins stay super vertical which takes a lot of stress off the knees.

 

[Choid]

1) What's NPP
2) I started buying KORI Krill Oil at costco (of course they stopped carrying it) and it's ok; but my joints didn't tell. I was doing it to increase HDL.
3) Turmeric helps more than glucosomine/chrondoitin for me, which never seemed to do anything. Helped my old doggie out for a year or so.

One of the few anabolic steroids still prescribed. Mainly used on label for hiv wasting and off label for joint issues. Definitely consult an md. Don’t do illegal shit.

 

[vinniedelpino]

1) What's NPP
2) I started buying KORI Krill Oil at costco (of course they stopped carrying it) and it's ok; but my joints didn't tell. I was doing it to increase HDL.
3) Turmeric helps more than glucosomine/chrondoitin for me, which never seemed to do anything. Helped my old doggie out for a year or so.

Nandrolone Phenylpropionate. It's a shorter esther of Deca Durabolin... but otherwise it's pretty much the same thing. Deca, dianabol and testosterone were the steroids of choice in the Arnold Schwarzenegger era of bodybuilding. Lots of muscle gains and water weight in most cases. It also works some magical juju on the joints. Now pro bodybuilders use their ass like pin cushion, shooting everything from trenbolone and masteron to HGH and insulin on top of enough pills to choke a horse. 4% bodyfat at 225lbs doesn't happen naturally, despite what hollywood may you lead you to believe...

It would be absolutely wonderful if it didn't increase production of progesterone, which can cause lactating titties and a limp noodle. The limp noodle issue is commonly referred to as "deca dick." It also decreases your natural production of testosterone, which means you'd probably have to go on TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) indefinitely if you mess with it for extended periods of time and/or don't follow up with well planned post cycle therapy. It's mostly used by juicers that want to keep their hair nowadays, from what I've seen anyway.

My friends wiener issue took about six months to rectify itself. I'd stay away.

 

[Choid]

Ftr I have never used it but training partners have. I have heard about softness. Didn’t know it lasted after treatment though.

 

[vinniedelpino]

Ftr I have never used it but training partners have. I have heard about softness. Didn’t know it lasted after treatment though.

Hell yeah it does. Some people never really recover. Cabergoline will prevent it, but it makes a lot of people sick.

Glucosamine FTW. I get the big bottles from Costco.

 

[lariat]

Nandrolone Phenylpropionate. It's a shorter esther of Deca Durabolin... but otherwise it's pretty much the same thing. Deca, dianabol and testosterone were the steroids of choice in the Arnold Schwarzenegger era of bodybuilding. Lots of muscle gains and water weight in most cases. It also works some magical juju on the joints. Now pro bodybuilders use their ass like pin cushion, shooting everything from trenbolone and masteron to HGH and insulin on top of enough pills to choke a horse. 4% bodyfat at 225lbs doesn't happen naturally, despite what hollywood may you lead you to believe...

It would be absolutely wonderful if it didn't increase production of progesterone, which can cause lactating titties and a limp noodle. The limp noodle issue is commonly referred to as "deca dick." It also decreases your natural production of testosterone, which means you'd probably have to go on TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) indefinitely if you mess with it for extended periods of time and/or don't follow up with well planned post cycle therapy. It's mostly used by juicers that want to keep their hair nowadays, from what I've seen anyway.

My friends wiener issue took about six months to rectify itself. I'd stay away.

I believe it is the water retention that helps with the joints - i.e., synovial fluid. This is also why other steriods that "dry out" a user comes with complaints of joint pain.

 

[Skg_Mre_Lght]

I am sure this post will come back to haunt me on here, but...

I've been a 5-550 lb squatter for a while now, two decades or so, and after about ten years I found that in order to save my knees I have to mix in a lot of vertical knee squatting, like box and belt squats, and to utilize things like SSBs to overload my trunk without killing my knees. Now, that isn't soul crushing weight, but it is enough to do damage, so my suggestion is that you might want to mix some of that stuff in so that you don't get in a bad spot in the future given your history.

Yeah. I have calmed down quite a bit. I bested my 18 year old son's deadlift record, then realized I'm not 25 anymore. I concentrate on form, moderate weight (except leg press, which I still do heavy weight) and reps now. I use my belt, do warm ups to get my form, etc.

That is good advice.

 

[Choid]

I believe it is the water retention that helps with the joints - i.e., synovial fluid. This is also why other steriods that "dry out" a user comes with complaints of joint pain.

Also anti inflammatory. Nothing you can get legit for medical purposes these days is going to have the hard drying effect that can hurt your joints. Those are all black market shit.

 

[BytorJr]

Nandrolone Phenylpropionate. It's a shorter esther of Deca Durabolin... but otherwise it's pretty much the same thing. Deca, dianabol and testosterone were the steroids of choice in the Arnold Schwarzenegger era of bodybuilding. Lots of muscle gains and water weight in most cases. It also works some magical juju on the joints. Now pro bodybuilders use their ass like pin cushion, shooting everything from trenbolone and masteron to HGH and insulin on top of enough pills to choke a horse. 4% bodyfat at 225lbs doesn't happen naturally, despite what hollywood may you lead you to believe...

It would be absolutely wonderful if it didn't increase production of progesterone, which can cause lactating titties and a limp noodle. The limp noodle issue is commonly referred to as "deca dick." It also decreases your natural production of testosterone, which means you'd probably have to go on TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) indefinitely if you mess with it for extended periods of time and/or don't follow up with well planned post cycle therapy. It's mostly used by juicers that want to keep their hair nowadays, from what I've seen anyway.

My friends wiener issue took about six months to rectify itself. I'd stay away.

Well, I didn't even know what the hell it was; so I am definitely not looking to get on it. Not big on the steroid stuff other than I can spot a user a mile a way at the gym. Like you said. 4% body fat at 225 or just 4% period without being somebody like a pro-athlete is about impossible. And even those pro-athletes with that low of body fat are usually tennis players and F-1 jockeys who probably bike more in a month than I do in 6 months (and I'm pretty heavy into biking now). Also helps they are 18-30 for the most part.

 

[vinniedelpino]

I believe it is the water retention that helps with the joints - i.e., synovial fluid. This is also why other steriods that "dry out" a user comes with complaints of joint pain.

Probably. The joint benefits don't come with other "wet" compounds like dianabol though.

Nandrolone is weird. It also doesn't cause hair loss like other compounds since it doesn't convert to DHT either. It's kind of unique. Like the polar opposite of winstrol.

 

[Choid]

Well, I didn't even know what the hell it was; so I am definitely not looking to get on it. Not big on the steroid stuff other than I can spot a user a mile a way at the gym. Like you said. 4% body fat at 225 or just 4% period without being somebody like a pro-athlete is about impossible. And even those pro-athletes with that low of body fat are usually tennis players and F-1 jockeys who probably bike more in a month than I do in 6 months (and I'm pretty heavy into biking now). Also helps they are 18-30 for the most part.

Just to be clear, 4% body fat is disgusting, and nobody is going to be 225 and 4% from the amount of NPP a doctor would prescribe for joint issues. Also, pro athletes are probably still the biggest users of PEDs out there.