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Rifle Scopes Elcan 1.5-6X Zero Shift Test

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    We have been reading about a potential issue with the Elcan Specter DR line of scopes, particularly that some might be experiencing a zero shift when going from 1X to 4X or in this case 1.5X to 6X. It's a lot of rumor and hearsay but there is also the possibility this is happening so I decided to test it out this morning.

    I had a 1.5-6X SpecterDR here on site so I mounted it on my 14.5" Noveske and took it out to see for myself. We have seen these scopes with the SOCOM units that come through, and most tend to like them. So the idea there was any big shift was something I wanted to look at.

    To start, the scope was zeroed at 50 yards on the Rifles Only short range using Mk262 Mod 1 ammo. This is the 77gr LR stuff we have here. Also I decided so I was not unduly influencing the groups, I would shoot the rifle in the prone using an Atlas Bipod. I set up two targets, one for the shots on 6X and one for the shots on 1.5X where I would simple toggle the lever and transition to the next target without any unnecessary movement. I shot the rifle at 50 yards, 75 yards and 100 yards. Immediately I noticed that on 1.5X power the center dot pretty much covered the 5" Shoot "N" C I used. At 50 yards on 1.5X the dot appeared to be about 4 MOA and at 75 and 100 yards it completely covered the 5 inch target. For these yard lines I turned the lit reticle on at the lowest visible power so I could more easily hold center. I have to say, it's not as easy as it would appear to hit a 5" target on 1.5X accurately with a dot that is 4MOA more in size. So I concluded there is a potential for a lot of shooter error in the reports of the zero shift.

    But here are the targets:
    sheclan-1.jpg


    Here are the shots on 6X
    sheclan-2.jpg


    And the set up used
    sheclan-3.jpg


    Now does this mean there is no shift possible ? No I don't think so, Elcan acknowledges the possibility of a shift, and because this is a second focal plane optic there is to be some shift expected specifically when using the hold over reticle, but as far as a shift due to the mechanism I am not seeing it with my test here, nor have we seen it in the past. But anything is possible, and what I will do is a get a hold of a 1-4x and test that one in a similar fashion. Again, the dot is very big, even though it doesn't appear so, I feel the room for error to be pretty high. Would I have any hesitation using this optic, well clearly not, I have no problem with the accurate or the function of this combination of rifle and scope. It's pretty much dead on by my standards.
     
    Re: Elcan 1.5-6X Zero Shift Test

    We have had problems with our 1-4 Elcans. Obviously shooter error factors in somewhat, but there is a lot of good shooters seem have the same issues with them.

    For what its worth, I'd love to get to the bottom of this because I like the 1-4 Elcan.
     
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    The shooter error was my first theory when I found the deviation in my 1x4x. I have tested this a dozen times over the past two weeks. The 1x still shows deviations at 100 yards from 2.5 to 3.75 inches. Mine has some small amount of mechanical deviation in the 1x setting though it does not worry me. I treat it just like mechanical offset when I am up close.
     
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    Very good, i will get a hold of a 1-4X and check it out as well I will also check my 1.5-6X that is in CO as well to be sure it holds.

    We checked it, and this was the result, but because Elcan acknowledges some deviation I figure there has to be something too it.
     
    Re: Elcan 1.5-6X Zero Shift Test

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Very good, i will get a hold of a 1-4X and check it out as well I will also check my 1.5-6X that is in CO as well to be sure it holds.

    We checked it, and this was the result, but because Elcan acknowledges some deviation I figure there has to be something too it. </div></div>

    Yea according to Elcan's sight "Coaxial Alignment <1.5 MoA between fields" for the 1-4 and they do not list it for the 1.5x-6x
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Yea according to Elcan's sight "Coaxial Alignment <1.5 MoA between fields" for the 1-4 and they do not list it for the 1.5x-6x </div></div>

    How can the mechanics of the two sights be so different?
     
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    I have used a 1x4 DR for over 3 years in 3 gun and if there is a zero shift, my operator error has been just enough to completely mask it. My 1.5x6 is waiting on my bench to mount on my new rifle. Based on what I know about this scope if you zero on the higher setting you can not have a zero shift large enough to affect anything in competition. For those that want to shoot 500 yards plus there are a host of factors that are not a concern in 3 gun matches.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charles Bond</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
    I have used a 1x4 DR for over 3 years in 3 gun and if there is a zero shift, my operator error has been just enough to completely mask it. My 1.5x6 is waiting on my bench to mount on my new rifle. Based on what I know about this scope if you zero on the higher setting you can not have a zero shift large enough to affect anything in competition. For those that want to shoot 500 yards plus there are a host of factors that are not a concern in 3 gun matches. </div></div>

    +1

    The ELCAN 1-4x have had issues in the past with ARMS mounts and a big part of it was None MIL Spec uppers and the other part of the issues was how ELCAN was installing them. We have not had anyone complain to me about the ARMS mounts giving them issues since the changes have been made.

    I have heard from a very few shooters that when they go from 4x to 1x there is an impact shift of 1.5” to 2.5” (it is always the same amount) and one of the units was for a MILITARY Prototype UNIT. Also note the dot at 1x is 6moa so the ERROR is HALF the dots size.

    Mike @ CST
     
    Re: Elcan 1.5-6X Zero Shift Test

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Very good, i will get a hold of a 1-4X and check it out as well I will also check my 1.5-6X that is in CO as well to be sure it holds.

    We checked it, and this was the result, but because Elcan acknowledges some deviation I figure there has to be something too it. </div></div>

    Frank,

    It looks like you took the Specter DR 1.5x/6x through an EAG carbine class. Any thoughts on its performance in this setting?

    I'm very seriously considering this scope to put atop my SR25 EMC and would appreciate any info you'd care to share.

    Thanks.
     
    Re: Elcan 1.5-6X Zero Shift Test

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 264Charlie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mike, When was the change made? I have a DR I picked up about a year ago. </div></div>

    It was before the first big commercial run. Some got out but not many so your good to go.

    Mike @ CST