Eliseo RTM Tube Gun

[PBWalsh]

I know its been on here a few times, but It’s been a while. I understand the benefits of a tubegun (adjustability and lower recoil) and the negatives (all metal and can be heavier), but what about when it comes to “practical” or PRS style shooting?

Was pretty dead set on a Bravo or XRAY for a Mausingfield but the Eliseo chassis keeps tempting me for some reason. Probably because I can use a long action and switch the lowers to accomodate 10 round SA AICS mags up to AI CIP .338 magazines (.223 - .300/.338). Unsure if I’d actually do it, but it’d be nice to know I can.

My main question is, what does an Eliseo chassis (practically) give practical shooters that a Bravo/Xray/etc would not? Think the biggest thing is shooting with no thumb shelf?

If you have one near Tuscaloosa, AL I’d LOVE the oppurtunity to handle one!

 

[PBWalsh]

Anyone have any experience with this chassis. Played around with my AR tonight, not too sure if I can get used to a pistol grip (thumb comfort) but this chassis has a lot going for it.

 

[jaycoux]

Anyone have any experience with this chassis. Played around with my AR tonight, not too sure if I can get used to a pistol grip (thumb comfort) but this chassis has a lot going for it.

Don't know how the Eliseo grip attaches, but check out David tubb's ATR rifle. I believe his grip attaches like an ar grip. If his grip is compatable I think you would like it.

 

[PBWalsh]

I like the idea of the ATR and looks, but the price and proprietary magazines are a big turn off for me. The Eliseo is

$1,050 for the chassis
$1,600 for a LA Mausingfield
$325 for a CG trigger
$600 for a PVA pre-fit barrel
$3575 for a complete rifle that (with additional bolt faces and barrels) can go from a .223 to a .338. Good bit less than an ATR, DTA, or an AX rifle.

That is why I am looking at this system over the others in the same class type.

 

[jaycoux]

I like the idea of the ATR and looks, but the price and proprietary magazines are a big turn off for me. The Eliseo is

$1,050 for the chassis
$1,600 for a LA Mausingfield
$325 for a CG trigger
$600 for a PVA pre-fit barrel
$3575 for a complete rifle that (with additional bolt faces and barrels) can go from a .223 to a .338. Good bit less than an ATR, DTA, or an AX rifle.

That is why I am looking at this system over the others in the same class type.

All I was saying is to look at the grip. It would be ideal for the Eliseo if it will fit.

 

[PBWalsh]

Oh I gottcha, I’ll look to see if it’ll fit on an AR, might be worth it to install one to handle it.

 

[jaycoux]

Oh I gottcha, I’ll look to see if it’ll fit on an AR, might be worth it to install one to handle it.

Additionally, you might consider tracking down a sierra precision grip. Don't think they are available anymore but you might find a used one. It had a nice shelf on it.

 

[BravoSierra]

Its been a long time since I looked at Eliseo. They've always been a quality option. It used to be that you'd have to epoxy your receiver into it, but man the new gen stuff they have looks really nice and may not need to be epoxied, nothing mentions it anyhow. But the cost, while out of my personal comfort zone, is inline with quite a few other offerings. Kinda what makes you happy type answer.

 

[PBWalsh]

Yeah I believe epoxy was always an option. Either way, the Mausingfield action *I think* would be a one off. Ted has mentioned he can do one to fit a tubegun, but I’d hate to get it, and hate it the setup. Good luck selling that off to fund a “normal” Mausingfield!

 

[Headquarterz]

No need to epoxy an Eliseo. Two action screws and 4 set screw (brass) hold the action in place. I have a grip for one of my Eliseo chassis that has a shelf. I'm assuming a thumb shelf is what you're referring to. Anyhoo, it's a great platform that has plenty of options. I would love to have one that is light weight and easier to carry. Mine are f class rigs and weigh in just under the maximum allowable (read, Heavy!) Maybe I'll add a hunting rifle to my short list. Damn that list keeps getting longer. I'll find a link to the grip I have.

 

[Headquarterz]

https://www.brownells.com/rifle-par...=Avantlink&utm_content=NA&utm_campaign=Itwine

 

[Headquarterz]

Also look into the pierce, borden and defiance tube gun actions. They are machined completely round with no flats like the 700 clones. Perfect Eliseo fit.
I have a borden and a defiance. Friend has a pierce and a factory 700. Imho the defiance is the smoothest.

 

[PBWalsh]

Those are very nice actions, but the Mausingfield will beat those is less than stellar conditions and extract more reliably. Based on what I’ve read, a Mausingfield is better suited to field shooting when compared to other actions.

Now, if I were building an XTC or Palma rifle, I would not hesitate to use a Defiance round action.

 

[SLG]

I too have wanted an Eliseo for a long time, though really only for the ergos. I think the weight is a deal breaker, but I have never been able to try one out so I may be wrong. Once I got my Fix, I think my ergos (with light weight) issue has been solved. In a heavy gun, the ergos of my AI are about ideal. Just heavy.

If anyone has an Eliseo in the Midwest, I'd love to meet up sometime.

 

[Conrad]

The Eliseo is kind of heavy but so is an AXMC. However you can get Gary’s plain stock and really drop some weight. You could also drop a proof in it. Most Eliseo’s are running long heavy barrels so owners naturally say they are heavy. The RTM is very versatile and they will take any AR grip. Tubb does make a grip with a thumb shelf, but it’s on the traditional side. Not for floating the thumb. MPA grip should fit too though if you want to float your thumb.

 

[Macca]

I used to shoot high power with an Eliseo R5 with a 28” barrel.Anything other than prone was a struggle for me-even with a hard back coat.
Heavy,although adjustable to the nth degree but I just gave up on it.

 

[PBWalsh]

Appreciate your feedback, how was it a struggle in any other position? Weight or something else?

 

[Macca]

It was heavy,especially barrel heavy in the standing position.
Everyone knows you don't need a 28" barrel for a 6mm BR,but the extra barrel length does help with the sight picture using match sights.
I don't shoot high power anymore,but I generally do shoot with a sling & have built a lighter,more balanced,scoped rifle to do so.
Having said that,Gary's chassis' are reasonably modular & can be configured to suit most applications.
It just didn't work for me at the time,

 

[PBWalsh]

Do you know what the bare chassis weigh? Thinking 4.5-5 pounds with his stock?