Rifle Scopes EOTech EXPS2 Green Thoughts

[surprise]

Have any of you had a chance to use the GREEN EXPS2? I am looking for a "Red Dot" style optic for a CQB weapon. I have limited experience/exposure to EOTechs and it has been several years (probably 5). I haven't even put eyes on the green version. I have a fair amount of time behind a T1 and some other red dot style optics but not the EOTech. My understanding of the green is that it speeds up eye recognition/acquisition???? Definitely sounds appealing but again, never put any rounds down range with one.

Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated!

Thanks

 

[race_bannon]

Here is my $0.02

The EOTech is a fantastic reflex/fast acquisition whatever you want to call it optic. While I had a 512 and an EXPS 3-0 I loved how open the field of view was and the objective lens was like watching the world on a 75" TV. I moved away from EOTech as they have terrible battery life COMPARED to other offerings in the market, namely the Trijicon MRO which I currently use and love ALMOST as much. The MRO is available with your desired green dot and has the closest thing to the EOTech objective window that I would trust. The Vortex UH-1 didn't do it for me and T/H series optics are really an apples-oranges for me due to form factor.

Take that for what its worth.

 

[TheGerman]

For CQB the EoTech is still thing thing to use. Its the only real offset to its shitty battery life.

My concern with the green would be dependant on what color the background youll be shooting in usually. I tried a Trijicon optic with a green reticle in it and when shooting where the background was a bunch of grass and green brush I constantly lost the colored portion of the reticle.

 

[surprise]

Here is my $0.02

The EOTech is a fantastic reflex/fast acquisition whatever you want to call it optic. While I had a 512 and an EXPS 3-0 I loved how open the field of view was and the objective lens was like watching the world on a 75" TV. I moved away from EOTech as they have terrible battery life COMPARED to other offerings in the market, namely the Trijicon MRO which I currently use and love ALMOST as much. The MRO is available with your desired green dot and has the closest thing to the EOTech objective window that I would trust. The Vortex UH-1 didn't do it for me and T/H series optics are really an apples-oranges for me due to form factor.

Take that for what its worth.

Thanks for the thoughts. Have you spent much time with something like the Delta Point Pro? I have heard some good things about that as well. I know its a different animal due to size and apparently the battery life is really good???? Thoughts?

 

[surprise]

For CQB the EoTech is still thing thing to use. Its the only real offset to its shitty battery life.

My concern with the green would be dependant on what color the background youll be shooting in usually. I tried a Trijicon optic with a green reticle in it and when shooting where the background was a bunch of grass and green brush I constantly lost the colored portion of the reticle.

Thank you for the input, same question to you. Have you used much in the way of the smaller red dots? Have heard some good things about the Delta Point Pro. I know its a little different animal than the EOTech but would consider something like the Delta Point Pro. I believe they are motion activated, timed shut off, good battery life and easy to change batteries.

I would consider a smaller optic like a Delta Point but don't have any real experience with these either. Oh, and they are red dots, not green....

 

[race_bannon]

Thanks for your thoughts. Have you spent much time with something like the Delta Point Pro? I have heard some good things about that as well. I know its a different animal due to size and apparently, the battery life is really good???? Thoughts?

I personally wouldn't use a Delta Point Pro or RRM for a CQB application due to how small EVERYTHING is on that package. That form factor certainly has a place, but to me, it isn't on a rifle/SBR. I am only giving my opinion. I shot the DPP for a few iterations of a drill in a pistol class and I loved it. However as @TheGerman stated, the EOTech is hard to beat for CQB but I still like the battery life of the MRO for close to the same objective. The best thing is to get behind both.

As for the red/green debate, it will depend a lot on your environment. Again, mentioned previously a wooded or grassy background can present an issue with a green reticle the same way Georiga clay or other reddish-orange backgrounds can make red reticles tough to find.

If you don't care about battery life, I would go with the EOTech 518 since it has a riser included and you can run lithium AA batteries which are readily available almost everywhere. CR123 aren't too hard to find but will only get you 600 hours compared to 1000 of AA.

If you care about battery life, MRO is what I would suggest.

 

[TheGerman]

Thank you for the input, same question to you. Have you used much in the way of the smaller red dots? Have heard some good things about the Delta Point Pro. I know its a little different animal than the EOTech but would consider something like the Delta Point Pro. I believe they are motion activated, timed shut off, good battery life and easy to change batteries.

I would consider a smaller optic like a Delta Point but don't have any real experience with these either. Oh, and they are red dots, not green....

Ill try to keep this short lol

For a primary red dot Ive used various models of EoTechs but all with the same ring dot reticle. Ive used the Comp M2 and T1 micro aimpoints. On vehicle mounted weapons Ive used EoTechs, Elcans and ACOGs.

For secondary red dots ive used the Doctor on a Mk12 in a Wilcox ring mount, a Insight MRDS in the same configuration, a Trijicon RMR ontop of a TA33.

Ive never used anything by Holoson or any of the Leupold or other RDS offerings. Primarily because the RDS ive used were while deployed and worked in those conditions as well as worked well in the way i needed to deploy them.

If your primary goal is shorter distance CQB you wont beat the EoTech in regards to speed as well as how the reticle/size of reticle really reduces the subconscious time needed by the limbic system to realize youre lined up on target and pull the trigger. I dont see a benefit to the green reticle and would just go with the red reticle that has been used by countless people. If you do get the EoTech I would definetly get a riser as it allows for a good, high stock position yet for your hesd to not need to crane forward to get the sight to appear infront of your face/eye with minimal head or stance manipulation.

On my KAC CQB SBR I have this riser and an EoTech xps3.

KAC-Knight's Armament Short Scope Ring Riser, 4 Inches Long, 3/4 Inch High

KAC-Knight's Armament Short Scope Ring Riser, 4 Inches Long, 3/4 Inch High (98063)

www.operationparts.com

The bad news is, for this riser youre going to have to find one as they dont make them and theyre sought after. But the 3/4 inch height, plus EoTech is perfect for bringing the gun up, sight on target as well as using it at night with an ANVIS9 and having enough height and clearance.

If you are considering a more do it all carbine then the EoTech takes a back seat to an Aimpoint T1 or a TA33 ACOG with mounted RMR depending on what you like more; dont look past the 3x TA33 as it can be used almost like a RDS with the BAC it was designed for. Im just as fast with it on target as I am with the T1.

ETA - with any of these, except the ACOG always have a small plastic bag in your carrier admin pouch or your ruck or whatever youre wearing / training in that has 2 spare batteries for your primary sight, secondary sight, night vision equipment and GPS (usually these will overlap a bit) as well as a stuck case removal tool, tiny vial of oil, 2 firing pins and a sawed off toothbrush.

 

[race_bannon]

Ill try to keep this short lol

For a primary red dot Ive used various models of EoTechs but all with the same ring dot reticle. Ive used the Comp M2 and T1 micro aimpoints. On vehicle mounted weapons Ive used EoTechs, Elcans and ACOGs.

For secondary red dots ive used the Doctor on a Mk12 in a Wilcox ring mount, a Insight MRDS in the same configuration, a Trijicon RMR ontop of a TA33.

Ive never used anything by Holoson or any of the Leupold or other RDS offerings. Primarily because the RDS ive used were while deployed and worked in those conditions as well as worked well in the way i needed to deploy them.

If your primary goal is shorter distance CQB you wont beat the EoTech in regards to speed as well as how the reticle/size of reticle really reduces the subconscious time needed by the limbic system to realize youre lined up on target and pull the trigger. I dont see a benefit to the green reticle and would just go with the red reticle that has been used by countless people. If you do get the EoTech I would definetly get a riser as it allows for a good, high stock position yet for your hesd to not need to crane forward to get the sight to appear infront of your face/eye with minimal head or stance manipulation.

On my KAC CQB SBR I have this riser and an EoTech xps3.

KAC-Knight's Armament Short Scope Ring Riser, 4 Inches Long, 3/4 Inch High

KAC-Knight's Armament Short Scope Ring Riser, 4 Inches Long, 3/4 Inch High (98063)

www.operationparts.com

The bad news is, for this riser youre going to have to find one as they dont make them and theyre sought after. But the 3/4 inch height, plus EoTech is perfect for bringing the gun up, sight on target as well as using it at night with an ANVIS9 and having enough height and clearance.

If you are considering a more do it all carbine then the EoTech takes a back seat to an Aimpoint T1 or a TA33 ACOG with mounted RMR depending on what you like more; dont look past the 3x TA33 as it can be used almost like a RDS with the BAC it was designed for. Im just as fast with it on target as I am with the T1.

ETA - with any of these, except the ACOG always have a small plastic bag in your carrier admin pouch or your ruck or whatever youre wearing / training in that has 2 spare batteries for your primary sight, secondary sight, night vision equipment and GPS (usually these will overlap a bit) as well as a stuck case removal tool, tiny vial of oil, 2 firing pins and a sawed off toothbrush.

How much for you to write a book? I can probably get like $70 together in the next 5-6 minutes. If you could do a like a hip-pocket readiness book I'd buy it

 

[loveha]

I have not USED the green reticle, but have had a chance to look through it, and it's a fuzzy green doughnut of death. Not as clean and crisp as the red to my eyes.

As for the battery problem, Magpul grips can take a battery holder that holds CR123.

MIAD®/MOE® CR123A Battery Storage Core

www.magpul.com

If you think you need to change the battery, change it. I don't understand why people make a big issue out of the battery life.
If this is something your life will depend on, change the battery monthly then if you are worried about it.

 

[TheGerman]

How much for you to write a book? I can probably get like $70 together in the next 5-6 minutes. If you could do a like a hip-pocket readiness book I'd buy it

Sure, Ill send you my paypal info and for the purchase of a few gear items (I need Mp5 stuff!) I'll walk you through whatever you want lol

Between this thread and the warbelt thread, Ive literally had 50 IMS asking me about gear setup, rifle setup, what I wear gear wise, critique their gear, etc.

 

[stilesg57]

Haven’t seen the green one but I’ve had a red EXPS-2 for about 5yrs.

Great sight and the pricing is getting REALLY reasonable of late, but I have to admit my holosuns get more use. They’re ~5oz lighter and have much better battery life, but the real reason is that my astigmatism makes the EOTech almost unusably blurry if I’m not wearing my glasses while the holosuns with the circle dot reticle look fine.

I don’t wear my glasses too often so in an emergency I likely wouldn’t have them with me and I’d rather have a holosun at that point. Worth thinking about if you have any amount of astigmatism whatsoever.

 

[Crang]

Thanks for the thoughts. Have you spent much time with something like the Delta Point Pro? I have heard some good things about that as well. I know its a different animal due to size and apparently the battery life is really good???? Thoughts?

I have an RMR I got to use at a 45 degree offset on my scoped SCAR. It worked fantastic for that purpose but Ive ended up trying it as the main optic on a number of carbines. While it can work I actually prefer a $100 traditional red dot over the nice Trijicon just because of form factor. Id put it on a pistol but the new SRO looks to solve all the problems using an RMR on a pistol creates. It will likely go back to backing up a magnified optic.